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Postby Dtn » Wed Nov 23, 2022 3:55 pm

The disdain for life shown by Allies who didn’t adopt kamikaze attacks is shocking

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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Wed Nov 23, 2022 4:08 pm

mfw Typhoon Cobra was literally a kamikaze scenario but the USN proved stronker than the divine wind

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Postby New Visayan Islands » Wed Nov 23, 2022 5:50 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:mfw Typhoon Cobra was literally a kamikaze scenario but the USN proved stronker than the divine wind

This is assuming that the USN isn’t the Divine Wind.
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Postby Bears Armed » Thu Nov 24, 2022 5:51 am

Gallia- wrote:satellite guided tank shell

the howitzer finally defeated

satellite-guided howitzer shell out-ranges satellite-guided tank shell, destroys the tank before it can fire on the howitzer?
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Postby Gallia- » Thu Nov 24, 2022 6:00 am

Bears Armed wrote:
Gallia- wrote:satellite guided tank shell

the howitzer finally defeated

satellite-guided howitzer shell out-ranges satellite-guided tank shell, destroys the tank before it can fire on the howitzer?


why do you think this?

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Postby Bears Armed » Thu Nov 24, 2022 6:48 am

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Bears Armed wrote:satellite-guided howitzer shell out-ranges satellite-guided tank shell, destroys the tank before it can fire on the howitzer?


why do you think this?

technically possible, no?
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Postby Gallia- » Thu Nov 24, 2022 9:52 am

howitzers, aside from maybe erca, have lower pressures than tank guns

they get their range from elevation not from anything intrinsic to the gun

if you elevate a M256 or XM291 or a full bore 152mm tank gun to 45 degrees...

...it would outshoot a howitzer pretty easily

youd run into issues with barrel life but who actually cares about that when...

...the shell is satellite guided and a guaranteed hit?

the only real issue is the lack of zoning which can be solved by a variety of means
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Postby The Fantasy tech Caliphate » Thu Nov 24, 2022 11:23 am

Do any armies of high income countries accept physically fit, above average IQ men with an anxiety disorder?
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Postby -Northumbria » Thu Nov 24, 2022 1:02 pm

The Fantasy tech Caliphate wrote:Do any armies of high income countries accept physically fit, above average IQ men with an anxiety disorder?

Why do you ask, Azad?

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-Northumbria wrote:
The Fantasy tech Caliphate wrote:Do any armies of high income countries accept physically fit, above average IQ men with an anxiety disorder?

Why do you ask, Azad?

For nationstates mostly
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The Fantasy tech Caliphate wrote:
-Northumbria wrote:Why do you ask, Azad?

For nationstates mostly

Yes, and those that don't soon will. Within ten years armies will be accepting people born without legs. And not because of some technology allowing them to grow new legs, if you get what I'm saying.

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Postby Spirit of Hope » Thu Nov 24, 2022 4:39 pm

-Northumbria wrote:
The Fantasy tech Caliphate wrote:For nationstates mostly

Yes, and those that don't soon will. Within ten years armies will be accepting people born without legs. And not because of some technology allowing them to grow new legs, if you get what I'm saying.


No clue where you are getting that idea from.

The Fantasy tech Caliphate wrote:Do any armies of high income countries accept physically fit, above average IQ men with an anxiety disorder?


Depends on the severity and country. As an example the US armed forces won't accept those who required more than 12 months of treatment or who had treatment within the last 36 months. Plus waivers exist depending on specifics.
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Postby New Vihenia » Thu Nov 24, 2022 11:23 pm

So i saw this concept in Dmitry Stevanovich's twitter feed.


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It's a Russian concept of Asteroid terminal defense using R-36M/SS-18 Satan armed with Kinetic Kill Vehicle. This concept was apparently reviewed but now with new Sarmat ICBM. It would be capable of engaging 10-100 m diameter Asteroid. Guidance would be a network of Satellites. located at some 1.5 Mln km from Earth while another network is farther 150 mln.

I'm curious if this can be a good rapid strike weapon.. like say engaging carriers or maybe an AEW aircraft.
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Postby Allanea » Fri Nov 25, 2022 6:51 am

The Fantasy tech Caliphate wrote:Do any armies of high income countries accept physically fit, above average IQ men with an anxiety disorder?


Israel does.

Not necessarily for infantry duties but Israel does not do the American obsession with 'oh you must be at full infantry-level health to serve'.
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Postby The Aber » Fri Nov 25, 2022 7:07 am

Allanea wrote:
The Fantasy tech Caliphate wrote:Do any armies of high income countries accept physically fit, above average IQ men with an anxiety disorder?


Israel does.

Not necessarily for infantry duties but Israel does not do the American obsession with 'oh you must be at full infantry-level health to serve'.


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Postby Gallia- » Fri Nov 25, 2022 7:15 am

Israel's military is vastly superior on a man-for-man basis than any US armed force branch though...

The US is just stuck LARPing WW2 forever. I suppose if it were actually threatened at any point in its history since then (real or imagined), it would have developed differing standards for everyone, instead of applying a one-size-fits-all mentality. There's no real purpose to having infantrymen with depression or anxiety disorders, they can be assumed to be rather austere, but there's no reason to think a forklift driver in a railroad corps warehouse can't have depression, since he would be like third or fifth line, and have access to whatever support network he needs to function in society. Historically (WW1, WW2), civilians worked as warehouse men and railroad workers anyway.

Israel recruits a variety of people for a variety of jobs so it makes sense that each job has different standards and different levels of people are able to do different things. Not everyone can be an infantryman but most people, at least medically speaking, can be something relatively boring like an image intelligence analyst or whatever. You don't exactly need to be a paragon of mental health to sit at a computer for 8 hours a day furiously googling stuff to geolocate a beheading video based on the shadows of two shrubs and a weird tree, considering NEETs on 4chan do that for free. IIRC there's a sort of special force intelligence unit that has people with autism do this explicitly, thus Israel has literally accessed its pool of weaponized autism, which probably makes it the first XXI century army unironically.
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Postby Allanea » Fri Nov 25, 2022 7:24 am

The Aber wrote:
Allanea wrote:
Israel does.

Not necessarily for infantry duties but Israel does not do the American obsession with 'oh you must be at full infantry-level health to serve'.


I mean, you want the best for your military, right?


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Postby Allanea » Fri Nov 25, 2022 7:28 am

Gallia- wrote:Israel's military is vastly superior on a man-for-man basis than any US armed force branch though...

The US is just stuck LARPing WW2 forever. I suppose if it were actually threatened at any point in its history since then (real or imagined), it would have developed differing standards for everyone, instead of applying a one-size-fits-all mentality. There's no real purpose to having infantrymen with depression or anxiety disorders, they can be assumed to be rather austere, but there's no reason to think a forklift driver in a railroad corps warehouse can't have depression, since he would be like third or fifth line, and have access to whatever support network he needs to function in society.

Israel recruits a variety of people for a variety of jobs so it makes sense that each job has different standards and different levels of people are able to do different things. Not everyone can be an infantryman but most people, at least medically speaking, can be something relatively boring like an image intelligence analyst or whatever. You don't exactly need to be a paragon of mental health to sit at a computer for 8 hours a day furiously googling stuff to geolocate a beheading video based on the shadows of two shrubs and a weird tree, considering NEETs on 4chan do that for free. IIRC there's a sort of special force intelligence unit that has people with autism do this explicitly, thus Israel has literally accessed its pool of weaponized autism, which probably makes it the first XXI century army unironically.


Well, it depends what you mean by infantry.

The closest to what NS posters imagine by 'infantry' which exists in Israel is evidently units like Golani and Givati where people undergo extensive training, are expected to be in perfect health, their socio-economic background is examined, etc.

There are other infantry units where the requirements are less strict for a range of reasons.

Obviously also 'mental health disorders' exist on a spectrum much like physical ones. There are people with 'anxiety disorders' who find it difficult to do productive work at all and there are some people who function almost entirely normally in society.

Of course within the 'elite' infantry units there are also people who are not 'combat troops' but who are expected to have some combat usefulness, e.g. if you are a clerk in Golani or the Paratroopers you are expected to be able to do things like throw hand-grenades and fire the M203 and if somehow there's a firefight and you're present you take part in it. I've spoken to people who were 'not infantry' but who ended up doing some sort of shit like that because military friction.
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Postby Gallia- » Fri Nov 25, 2022 7:44 am

I'm saying there is wiggle room between the 705th Grand Railway Division and the 82nd Airborne yes.

The US Army's conception of mental health and its requirements for personnel is probably rooted in its WW2 LARPing anyway, which is why it's viewed less as a spectrum and more as a binary of character/moral flaws.
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Postby Allanea » Fri Nov 25, 2022 7:49 am

Even better, there's wiggle room within the concept of 'infantry'.
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Postby The Aber » Fri Nov 25, 2022 7:53 am

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Postby Allanea » Fri Nov 25, 2022 8:00 am

The Aber wrote:Well, true or false: when one of us comes up short, we all come up short.



Let me rephrase what I said:

What you need for an armed service are people capable of performing a military task to a specific standard.

In some context, a 'superior' / more competent / whatever soldier is going to near-invariably beat a 'lesser' soldier. This isn't always true. There are also aspects of military activity that don't rely much on the quality of soldiers (e.g. if your supersoldiers eat mortar fire, their casualties will be lower than those of entirely untrained men, but not zero - probabiltiy will take a toll).

It's also worth saying that while you don't want to just spam entirely untrained cripples at the enemy machineguns, the concept of diminishing returns applies to the military as much as it does elsewhere.
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Postby The Fantasy tech Caliphate » Fri Nov 25, 2022 8:00 am

Allanea wrote:
The Fantasy tech Caliphate wrote:Do any armies of high income countries accept physically fit, above average IQ men with an anxiety disorder?


Israel does.

Not necessarily for infantry duties but Israel does not do the American obsession with 'oh you must be at full infantry-level health to serve'.

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Postby Gallia- » Fri Nov 25, 2022 8:19 am

Allanea wrote:Even better, there's wiggle room within the concept of 'infantry'.


Maybe, but the Landwehr never went very far tbf. If the choice between garrison troops is Landwehr and 82nd ABN tho, then yeah, sure.

I'd be hesitant to call the former "infantry" though since that implies a lot of things, just like I'd be hesitant to call the female battalions Israel has on the Egyptian border "infantry".

But yeah it's definitely a case-by-case thing. America has just never had the problem of needing to actually economize its forces so...
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