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Meadville
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Postby Meadville » Fri May 18, 2018 6:24 pm

Ever since the beginning of our nation we have operated under Salic law.

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Kabzeel
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Postby Kabzeel » Fri May 18, 2018 6:52 pm

Evilcia wrote:Our King/ Queen is elected by popular vote, so we do not follow the Salic Law.

We believe this law to a stupid, sensless relic of masochist.


How can you have an elected monarch? Does that complete miss the point of having one? And people thought a Queen of a Socialist Republic was weird...(But seriously, can you explain that?)

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Postby Blodrike » Fri May 18, 2018 8:18 pm

No. In fact, succession is not hereditary at all. If the Queen abdicates for any reason, she picks her successor. If she dies, the Riksrådet (privy council) picks her successor.
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Postby Nui-ta » Fri May 18, 2018 10:19 pm

No. As of right now, the office of Emperor passes on the basis of absolute primogeniture. Any other noble families have no inherent political power, but can ceremonially pass their titles to descendants on the basis of absolute primogeniture; many families are pushing to have this pushed back to male-preference primogeniture.
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Postby Lancov » Fri May 18, 2018 10:37 pm

The First Empire was an elective monarchy with several hereditary Grand Dukes choosing the Tsar. Each ducal family set its own succession laws, a minority followed male-preferring primogeniture but most followed absolute primogeniture, where men and women have equal standing to succession.

The hereditary Second Empire followed absolute primogeniture.
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Eahland
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Postby Eahland » Fri May 18, 2018 11:15 pm

No. Our cyning or cwen is elected by the witenagemot, and while they've historically shown a marked preference for close male relatives of the previous ruler, by law they may choose any æþelboren adult.

Kabzeel wrote:How can you have an elected monarch? Does that complete miss the point of having one?

Not in the least. "Monarchy" describes who holds power and how they may exercise it, not how they're selected or even how long they rule. Firstborn son or firstborn child inheriting the crown and reigning for life is the most common method, but it's far from universal. I can think of at least one historical example of a culture who chose a monarch by lot each year, then ritually killed the previous one as a sacrifice to their gods.
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Postby Tondo Federation » Sun May 20, 2018 4:20 am

We are a hereditary elective monarchy (If the elected monarch died, his/her son succeeds him as the monarch), and the Salic Law isn't a thing here. Ever since the Arabizations of Tondo, we have allowed women to rule the nation.
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Postby Paradia Eigden » Mon May 21, 2018 11:41 pm

Paradia did adhere to Salic Law until 753 AT when it was amended to allow the succession of the throne to a female if there was no eligible male heir. In 1237 AT, the law would later be amended to designate the eldest female as the legal successor to the throne, even if there is a younger male sibling.

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Anwil
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Postby Anwil » Tue May 22, 2018 2:57 am

The Earldom of Anvil has a cognatic primogeniture. This means, brothers have precedence before their sisters, regardless of age.
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Postby Dwarven Mountainhomes » Tue May 22, 2018 4:19 am

The Mountainhomes has never adhered to Salic Law. Gender isn't a consideration when it comes to inheritance of titles, only whether the heir is next of kin. Basically, it starts as primogeniture, but shifts to seniority if the noble in question has no children.
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Postby Fostoria » Tue May 22, 2018 4:53 pm

The Vorindun wrote:Salic Law is most famous for banning women from succession to a throne, as part of the old Germanic customs of the Franks and Germans. It is the law of the land in the Vorindun, though most Vorindun are not German, but either Romans or Goths. Still, since one of the German Vorindun is the Kaiser Karl I, Salic Law is the law of the land.

This is mostly addressed to monarchies, though it might in some form apply to some rare republics. Does your nation follow Salic Law?


No, but all brothers take priority over sisters in the line of succession even if the sister is older. Women are still allowed to hold the Grand Imperial Throne.

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Postby Vedastia » Thu Dec 13, 2018 4:17 am

The Vedastian line of succession follows semi-Salic rules, meaning that a woman would be able to inherit the throne if she is the last male-line member of the Royal Family. The ancient Vedastian nobility, which had been abolished in 1853 and restored in 2016, followed exclusively male-line inheritance, but titles were amended to be semi-Salic upon their restoration, this law also applying to titles created under the present monarchy.
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Postby Great Nortend » Thu Dec 13, 2018 5:39 am

No. The Crown of Great Nortend uses male preference primogeniture where a lady may only inherit the throne if and only if she has no surviving brothers or no surviving descendants of a deceased brother or elder sister. Hence, if the late sovereign has three children and the male heir apparent passes and leaves no issue, and has two surviving daughters, the eldest daughter would inherit the throne. If the eldest daughter has passed and has had a son, then her son would become King. Else, if the eldest daughter had no sons but a daughter, that daughter would inherit the throne in preference to the youngest daughter of the late sovereign. Otherwise, if the eldest daughter and the heir apparent had not left any legitimate descendants, the youngest daughter would inherit. If there is no valid issue comprising the descendants of the late Sovereign, the search would begin again from his late majesty's generation, and so on until a legitimate heir is discovered.
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Nyskihatka
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Postby Nyskihatka » Thu Dec 13, 2018 6:01 am

surely not because we adopt democratic system

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Postby Vallermoore » Thu Dec 13, 2018 8:18 am

Only a woman can succeed to the Vallermoorian throne.

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Skyhooked
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Postby Skyhooked » Thu Dec 13, 2018 1:36 pm

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Postby Ru- » Thu Dec 13, 2018 4:58 pm

The Ruvian monarchy goes back several thousand years, laws of royal succession have been unchanged since ancient times, but even then Ru has not operated under salic law. Instead, Ruvian sucession for the royal family and all noble families operated under a form of male-preference primogeniture. Under this system the oldest male child of the previous monarch would inherit. A daughter, however, could inherit if she either never had any legitimate male siblings, or they had all died without heirs. So while the system was slanted against the crown passing to a female ruler, a daughter still came before illegitimate sons, or more distant relatives such as uncles and their lines. As a result, there have been a few very notable female sovereigns in Ruvian history. Though salic law attitudes were strong among a number of feudal Ruvians, and each of these queens had to deal with influential vassals and upstarts within the royal family who would take advantage of these attitudes to serve their own ends. A woman ascending was therefore considered an event that had strong possibility to cause chaos in the realm, just like when a small boy or an illegitimate son was set to wear the crown. Fortunately for the monarchy, the first queens of ancient Ru proved themselves as particularly strong and effective rulers, with Queen Rubella even leading troops in battle and conquering new lands for the glory of the empire. This provided an extremely powerful counter argument to the claim that a member of the fairer sex lacked the strength needed to command the realm.

Today, Ru is much more united, peaceful, and modern. Attitudes about gender have changed dramatically. So now the debate is about the opposite idea: King Yoshio has been given alot of pressure to eliminate the male preference from the royal succession laws so that the oldest legitimized child will inherit regardless of gender. He has said that it's an idea worthy of strong consideration, but he will wait until he actually starts to have children before making any decisions.
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Postby Knessniet » Thu Dec 13, 2018 5:20 pm

Salic law has always been in effect, and we also prohibit those convicted of felonies from inheriting. For example, Prince Paul the Blasphemer was found guilty of blasphemy in 1623, and thus lost his position as crown prince to his younger brother, Grand Duke Frederick IX. Prince Paul was also condemned to house arrest in a monastery for the next 10 years to pray away the sin. This is very merciful, as for most this offense carries death to this day.

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Postby Thama » Thu Dec 13, 2018 6:43 pm

There is no such law or any resembling it as there has been no legal concept of gender for centuries, and no agnatic laws in any Asnean nation since the colonization of the planet over 3000 years ago.
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Postby Auzkhia » Thu Dec 13, 2018 7:31 pm

MT: Salic law is slowly being abolished, and there are proposals that the Imperial Diet confirm the heir to the Imperial throne.

FT: Salic law or anything like it against the European Constitution of Rights, which banned all gender discrimination.
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Postby Ungvarnfjall » Thu Dec 13, 2018 7:36 pm

High Jarl Ælla should make such a thing obvious. No, we view men and women as equals by all rights. A woman may call a Thing to order as can a man, a woman may own a business as may a man, a woman may serve in the Jarls Army or a Warband as may a man, a woman may legally kill as may a man, and a woman may inherit the titles to anything as may a man.
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Postby New Pyrrhius » Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:01 pm

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Postby Wess Islandia » Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:24 pm

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Postby Tankium » Fri Dec 14, 2018 10:04 am

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Postby Velosia » Fri Dec 14, 2018 11:26 am

No. Since the formation of the kingdom, women have been allowed to ascend to the throne in the absence of a male heir. However, despite growing calls for reform in recent years, male-preference primogeniture is still in effect in Velosia with women only ever able to serve as heir presumptive to a reigning monarch. Still, a queen regnant has all the powers, privileges and responsibilities of a male sovereign.

Kabzeel wrote:How can you have an elected monarch? Does that complete miss the point of having one?

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