NS Military Realism Consultation Thread Vol. 11.0

[Kanugues Wed]

Can I make hardened 155mm batteries with american Walmart customer scale autoloaders for coastal defense and armored VLS for AShM and AA or is it no work cause cruise missile?

[The Dolphin Isles]

On the topic of land based strategic weapons like AShM and long range AA batteries, what is the best way to protect these assets from things like special forces? Being mobile is good, but the batteries still have to maintain contact with their command and the communications could be intercepted.

Is a decent security detail a good idea or does it create a bigger 'footprint' for foreign forces to track via things like satellite imagry?

Also, how could one protect static positions like airfields from similar threats and prevent them from turning into something like that airfield in Syria? Are your only defences moar point defense, distance, and resilient planes that can perform in suboptimal maintenance conditions like with the MiG-29's grates over its air intakes?

[Gallia-]

On the topic of land based strategic weapons like AShM and long range AA batteries, what is the best way to protect these assets from things like special forces?

Periodically moving around to one of a dozen or so reconnoitered firing points.

Being mobile is good, but the batteries still have to maintain contact with their command and the communications could be intercepted.

Air defense batteries are unlikely to be attacked by commandos. Their biggest threat is being located by radio direction finders and attacked by field artillery or frontal aviation.

Ironically, since you bring it up, the command and control posts that direct the air defense battle will be prime targets for enemy special forces raids, chemical attacks, and other stuff. These also will be moving around periodically, and will need to defend against all these things. There's a part in Defense of Hill 781 where LTC A. Tack Always' mechanized infantry task force HQ is hit by a combination of non-persistent nerve agent (possibly sarin) or an emetic (at one point, Always dons his gas mask after getting a whiff of the stuff, and vomits inside it) and enemy Special Forces troops who start putting mortar and machine gun fire on the command post, which knocks it out of the fight temporarily as it defends itself from the raid.

There is a training video by the U.S. Army that shows how airmobile raiders similar to those used by the Soviet Union might attack and destroy enemy nuclear missile launch means (the battalion S-2 mentions that "the Soviets used choppers to knock out a task force [battalion] CP [command post] and Lance [nuclear missile] installation" to the XO) and command posts with airmobile raids via Hip/Hind gunship and motor riflemen.

Is a decent security detail a good idea or does it create a bigger 'footprint' for foreign forces to track via things like satellite imagry?

An air defense system that moves between half a dozen or a dozen different pre-recced firing positions will be vastly more survivable than one with a few infantrymen attached to "guard" it. Attaching security is something that happens for nuclear ammunition storage points and atomic weapon systems (besides, perhaps, gun-howitzer battalions, since these things can generally defend themselves with direct-fire sights and vehicle mounted machine guns).

Also, how could one protect static positions like airfields from similar threats and prevent them from turning into something like that airfield in Syria?

If the threat is cruise missiles then a few low altitude air defense guns and SAMs like NASAMS are probably adequate. An airfield's biggest threat is aviation and field artillery, so protecting against that is most important. Luckily, cruise missiles fly, so they can be shot down, so things that can kill airplanes can also kill cruise missiles. But an airfield's biggest defense is not going to be its point defenses, but its tactical fighter wing and attendant fighter-interceptors.

Are your only defences moar point defense, distance, and resilient planes that can perform in suboptimal maintenance conditions like with the MiG-29's grates over its air intakes?

MiG-29's grates are because Russia has yet to invent the "paved road", not to protect it from bullets or something.

If you want to defend against Spetsnas raiders you would need an airbase security detachment of like a platoon (3-4) armored cars and a dozen guys with grenade launchers and machine guns. The U.S. Army uses the Military Police Corps as its primary counter-commando force, so U.S. MPs drive around in bulletproof trucks and their "squads" are three-man fireteams armed with M60 machine guns, M249s, and M16/M203s. They are the epitome of min-max firepower cult, short mortars, because their job is to defend things like NASPs (Nuclear Ammunition Storage Point), Lance/Pershing installations, and MSRs from raids by enemy special forces units. They can also aggressively patrol to seek and destroy enemy Special Forces teams operating behind the FLOT.

There are lots of ways to make an airbase hard and this requires knowing what you're actually likely to fight. Airbases are nuclear weapon delivery systems so they are probably going to be targeted by a variety of threats, such as frontal aviation, field artillery, ballistic missiles, and enemy special operations forces, who will all seek to eliminate the airbase's ability to 1) launch aircraft, or failing that, 2) deliver nuclear weapons. Depending on terrain, availability of space, the exact purpose of the airbase, and what threats you are facing, you will have different defense measures. A remote airbase in the Kurils whose sole purpose is to act as a warning net for the rest of the Far East PVO will probably be significantly less protected than a Soviet Frontal Aviation airbase whose primary mission is being the central airbase in a group of bases whose job is to delivery nuclear weapons in interdiction of NATO Central Front second echelons and securing airspace above Germany and within range of NATO nuclear artillery troops and tactical fighter-bombers.

The U.S. Air Force uses the Security Forces Squadron and the RAF has the RAF Regiment. Airbase defense is a fairly serious endeavor (it is comparable to nuclear missile launch means defense in Western artillery units) in Anglo countries.

[Austrasien]

MiG-29's grates are because Russia has yet to invent the "paved road", Soviet/Russian turbines are notoriously fragile not to protect it from bullets or something.

Basically why the Mig-29 needs inlet blockers while the Gripen and Harrier could handle improvised airstrips fine.

“Since induction in February 2010, 40 engines (62 percent) of twin-engine MiG-29K fighters have been withdrawn from service due to design-related defects,” according to the report.

[Gallia-]

I did mean FOD; I'm just assuming that FOD increases with improvised strips, and that the Soviets used a lot of improvised strips instead of paved ones, TBF.

OTOH this sounds more like the whole plane is prone to just breaking off bits at random with fairly normal use TBH.

[Austrasien]

I did mean FOD; I'm just assuming that FOD increases with improvised strips, and that the Soviets used a lot of improvised strips instead of paved ones, TBF.

OTOH this sounds more like the whole plane is prone to just breaking off bits at random with fairly normal use TBH.

I know I was just too lazy to keep googling for the more relevant story.

[Kazarogkai]

Ive just been taking calculations of my population lately trying to get things nice and right and well ive kinda stumbled upon something interesting. It's specifically in relation to "War of Empires", alternate WW1 of this world, and my countries role during said war as a belligerent.

To provide a bit of back story my country went through a rather large series of colonial wars during said time period which it ended up surviving through in a manner similar to Ethiopia against a variety of mostly second rate powers(Think like Portugal, Italy, and Belgium) while mostly steering clear of and out of the way of the more bigger and badder great powers. Never the less Kazarogkai did end up getting some attention especially due to it's repeated victories which resulted in them gaining some great power support/patronage, mostly out of self interest, leading to Kazarogkai Industrializing. With the signing of the Kazarogkai-Loshlane(!Not Germany basically) this ended up leading Kazarogkai unto the path of war on the side of the latter which despite early promise ended up losing the war with Kazarogkai ending up on the wrong side so to speak.

With that in mind in the beginning of the war I have been able to generally get a good estimate of my population at around 162 million. To keep things simple I estimated my adult/able body male population at being around 1/4 of that of which, using German figures/proportions more or less, about half served throughout the entire war giving me a total military war strength of 20,250,000 personnel + an additional 3,000,000 auxiliary personnel from their imperial population alongside allied irregular forces they raised during the war. In comparison other countries in the war, atleast in OTL, numbers looked like this:

CENTRAL POWERS
German Empire 13,250,000
Austria-Hungary 7,800,000
Ottoman Empire 2,998,321
Kingdom of Bulgaria 1,200,000
Total: 25,248,321

ALLIES
Russian Empire 12,000,000
British Empire 8,841,541
French Third Republic 8,660,000
Kingdom of Italy 5,615,140
United States 4,743,826
Kingdom of Romania 1,234,000
Empire of Japan 800,000
Kingdom of Serbia 707,343
Belgium 380,000
Kingdom of Greece 250,000
Kingdom of Montenegro 50,000
Total: 42,959,850

I'm under the assumption that the numbers provided are basically the total number of soldiers who served in said forces during the war in total. As you can see the allies have a 1.7 advantage in raw numbers in OTL but with my forces added into the mix the numbers look more like this now:

CENTRAL POWERS
German Empire 13,250,000
Austria-Hungary 7,800,000
Ottoman Empire 2,998,321
Kingdom of Bulgaria 1,200,000
2nd Empire of Kazarogkai 23,250,000
Total: 48,498,321

ALLIES
Russian Empire 12,000,000
British Empire 8,841,541
French Third Republic 8,660,000
Kingdom of Italy 5,615,140
United States 4,743,826
Kingdom of Romania 1,234,000
Empire of Japan 800,000
Kingdom of Serbia 707,343
Belgium 380,000
Kingdom of Greece 250,000
Kingdom of Montenegro 50,000
Total: 42,959,850

To bad for the central powers considering that entire extra group of forces are all stuck in Africa basically and to a far lesser degree the Middle East. Can't really help that but something to keep in mind. I specifically remember someone mentioning that India would be used to make up the slack, how many troops would they have been willing to put down before they really start asking the hard question for independence would be an interesting question in of itself. I'm just rambling though so ya.

[Gallia-]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eY81yNmz8io

mfw

[Arthurista]

Is there an existing expendable-ish drone system, with a good ground scanning radar system, which I can deploy at the division/corps level and somewhat replicate the effect of JSTARS aircraft? It seems to me that things like JSTARS or Sentinel are horribly vulnerable and priority targets from the start

[Gallia-]

Is there an existing expendable-ish drone system, with a good ground scanning radar system, which I can deploy at the division/corps level and somewhat replicate the effect of JSTARS aircraft? It seems to me that things like JSTARS or Sentinel are horribly vulnerable and priority targets from the start

>expensive radar
>expendable

tacit blue was the closest he got and it really wasnt enough to live on the FLOT even in the 80s

the best possible option is either fielding a radar that isnt APY-7 or ASTOR i.e. "it came from the cocaine age" and putting it into a VLO drone or simply buying loads and loads of radars

but that hasnt been done yet so there are probably plenty of ideas floating around about how to go about it

im not sure if MP-RTIP was going to have low sidelobes or anything suitable for LPI but it was going to be mounted on a global hawk so i doubt they had battlefield survivability in mind and probably more "how many taliban can we oogle with this thing" which is probably why it died in the first place since it would be killed like MH17 in the battlefields of tomorrow

[New Vihenia]

Talking about Tacit blue, was thinking for it as an AEW platform.



Some i think is as follows :

The radar would be low frequency, was thinking about VHF as it's likely sits out of coverage of typical tactical fighter ESM and jammer. and arguably tho can achieve longer range with less power. It will heightfind the same way as E-2 Radar. The problem is of course it's big and might be difficult to suppress side RCS as not only it present big area but also it's where the radar is.

The aircraft unfortunately would be big, mainly to accommodate the antenna, it would be as big as 737's.

One interesting aspect is the projected RCS. Im basically copying tacit blue here and do little bit of exercise with pofacets.

The projected RCS Vs Frequency. This is from the frontal aspect.


This is one for Tacit Blue


They looks very similar

[Mansuriyyah Islamic State]

Hello friends, I've a question.

Let's say that my nation has a large stock of a previous generation tanks that for some reason it doesn't want to get rid of (for argument's sake let's say we have many external enemies and want to keep every last bit of equipment). Instead my nation wants to modernize then as much as possible and keep them in reserve (I know that in real life it's often more cost effective to just buy surplus tanks but this is Nation States). That being the case, which of these two tanks would be a better option , and what advantages one has over the other:

1) M-60 Sabra

2) Leopard C2

Both tanks have similar capabilities but which one has an edge over the other and why?

Thanks in advance for the replies!

[Dostanuot Loj]

Leopard C2 has superior fire control.

[New Korongo]

Hello friends, I've a question.

Let's say that my nation has a large stock of a previous generation tanks that for some reason it doesn't want to get rid of (for argument's sake let's say we have many external enemies and want to keep every last bit of equipment). Instead my nation wants to modernize then as much as possible and keep them in reserve (I know that in real life it's often more cost effective to just buy surplus tanks but this is Nation States). That being the case, which of these two tanks would be a better option , and what advantages one has over the other:

1) M-60 Sabra

2) Leopard C2

Both tanks have similar capabilities but which one has an edge over the other and why?

Thanks in advance for the replies!

Wouldn’t it make more sense to decide which tank your nation acquired in the past, and then select whichever one is an upgraded version of that tank?

[Mansuriyyah Islamic State]

Hello friends, I've a question.

Let's say that my nation has a large stock of a previous generation tanks that for some reason it doesn't want to get rid of (for argument's sake let's say we have many external enemies and want to keep every last bit of equipment). Instead my nation wants to modernize then as much as possible and keep them in reserve (I know that in real life it's often more cost effective to just buy surplus tanks but this is Nation States). That being the case, which of these two tanks would be a better option , and what advantages one has over the other:

1) M-60 Sabra

2) Leopard C2

Both tanks have similar capabilities but which one has an edge over the other and why?

Thanks in advance for the replies!

Wouldn’t it make more sense to decide which tank your nation acquired in the past, and then select whichever one is an upgraded version of that tank?

Hi New Korongo!

Actually I didn't decide yet which tank my nation acquired in the past. Instead I decided to see which has a better upgrade nowadays and then establish that it was the one we acquired in the past. Hope it makes sense.

[Free-Don]

>adopt the bob semple

>manufacture more semples

>???

>profit

[Free-Don]

Does it make sense to make and develop a doctrine around gun trucks and convoy systems from the interwar years and onwards? For most post-1919 fighting I assume that it will be conflicts against communist and fascist insurgencies supported by foreign nations. With this trend increasing in the post 1940's onward in a much higher degree with communist vs captialist insurgents depending on where I plan on sending troops or how I start trying to write out my nation's internal debacles.

My idea currently is that "gun trucks" begin as unit modified vehicles mostly made from scraps and improvised armor to protect stretched logistical lines and vehicles from insurgent ground units. Over time certain armor style and dedicated armored medium trucks and light trucks appear but are bare upgrades from just adding a machine gun to a truck. When full-scale war breaks out (ww2) the idea of "gun truck" falls out of favor with IFVs and armored cars in most units, but remains to protect logistical convoys as light aircraft and ambush protection. Their role and use then bounces back and forth without end as the number of IFV's in service decreases and increases.

[The Manticoran Empire]

Thoughts?

XXX	XX	X	III	II	# of Unit	# of Mainline Equipment
	Armored Division				9 in Army
				Headquarters and Headquarters Company, Mechanized Infantry Division	1	2 M4 C2V
				Provost Marshal Company, Heavy Division	1
				Chemical Company, Heavy Division	1
			Signal Battalion		1
				Headquarters and Headquarters Company (WIN-T)	1	WIN-T
				Area Signal Company (MSE)	3	WIN-T
				Signal Support Company (WIN-T)	1	WIN-T + TACSAT
			Military Intelligence Battalion		1
				Headquarters and Headquarters Company, MI	1
				MI Direct Support Company	3	1 JSTARS Common Ground Station
				MI General Support Company	1	3 AN/TRQ-32
			Air Defense Artillery Battalion		1
				SHORADS Battery	3	8 M6 Linebacker
				NASAMS Battery	1	12 MIM-182B NASAMS 2
		Engineer Brigade			1
			Engineer Battalion		3
				Engineer Company	3	7 M9 ACE + 2 CMV
		Armor Brigade			2
				Headquarters and Headquarters Company	1	6 M4 C2Vs
			Tank Battalion		2
				Headquarters and Headquarters Company, TNK BTN	1	2 M1
				Tank Company	4	14 M1
			Mechanized Infantry Battalion		1
				Headquarters and Headquarters Company, MECH INF BTN	1	2 M2 BIFV
				Mechanized Infantry Company	4	14 M2 BIFV
		Mechanized Infantry Brigade			1
				Headquarters and Headquarters Company	1	6 M4 C2V
			Tank Battalion		1
				Headquarters and Headquarters Company	1	2 M1
				Tank Company	4	14 M1
			Mechanized Infantry Battalion		2
				Headquarters and Headquarters Company	1	2 M2 BIFV
				Mechanized Infantry Company	4	14 M2 BIFV
		Aviation Brigade			1
			General Support Aviation Battalion		1
				Support Aviation Company	2	16 UH-60
				Command Aviation Company	1	8 UH-60 + 4 EH-60
			Attack Helicopter Battalion		2
				Attack Company	3	8 AH-64E
			Cavalry Squadron		1
				Cavalry Troop	3	9 M1 + 13 M3 CFVs
				Air Recon Troop	2	RAH-66
		Division Artillery Brigade			1
				Headquarters and Headquarters Battery	1
			Field Artillery Battalion		3
				Field Artillery Battery	3	8 M2001
			MLRS Battalion		1
				MLRS Battery	2	9 M270 MLRS
		Divisional Support Command			1
				Headquarters and Headquarters Company and Band	1
				Administration Company	1
			Medical Battalion		1
			Supply and Transport Battalion		1
			Maintenance Battalion		1
				Division Direct Support Maintenance Company	1

XXX	XX	X	III	II	# of Unit	# of Mainline Equipment
	Mechanized Infantry Division				30 in Army
				Headquarters and Headquarters Company, Mechanized Infantry Division	1	2 M4 C2V
				Provost Marshal Company, Heavy Division	1
				Chemical Company, Heavy Division	1
			Signal Battalion		1
				Headquarters and Headquarters Company (WIN-T)	1	WIN-T
				Area Signal Company (MSE)	3	WIN-T
				Signal Support Company (WIN-T)	1	WIN-T + TACSAT
			Military Intelligence Battalion		1
				Headquarters and Headquarters Company, MI	1
				MI Direct Support Company	3	1 JSTARS Common Ground Station
				MI General Support Company	1	3 AN/TRQ-32
			Air Defense Artillery Battalion		1
				SHORADS Battery	3	8 M6 Linebacker
				NASAMS Battery	1	12 MIM-182B NASAMS 2
		Engineer Brigade			1
			Engineer Battalion		3
				Engineer Company	3	7 M9 ACE + 2 CMV
		Armor Brigade			1
				Headquarters and Headquarters Company	1	6 M4 C2Vs
			Tank Battalion		2
				Headquarters and Headquarters Company, TNK BTN	1	2 M1
				Tank Company	4	14 M1
			Mechanized Infantry Battalion		1
				Headquarters and Headquarters Company, MECH INF BTN	1	2 M2 BIFV
				Mechanized Infantry Company	4	14 M2 BIFV
		Mechanized Infantry Brigade			2
				Headquarters and Headquarters Company	1	6 M4 C2V
			Tank Battalion		1
				Headquarters and Headquarters Company	1	2 M1
				Tank Company	4	14 M1
			Mechanized Infantry Battalion		2
				Headquarters and Headquarters Company	1	2 M2 BIFV
				Mechanized Infantry Company	4	14 M2 BIFV
		Aviation Brigade			1
			General Support Aviation Battalion		1
				Support Aviation Company	2	16 UH-60
				Command Aviation Company	1	8 UH-60 + 4 EH-60
			Attack Helicopter Battalion		2
				Attack Company	3	8 AH-64E
			Cavalry Squadron		1
				Cavalry Troop	3	9 M1 + 13 M3 CFVs
				Air Recon Troop	2	RAH-66
		Division Artillery Brigade			1
				Headquarters and Headquarters Battery	1
			Field Artillery Battalion		3
				Field Artillery Battery	3	8 M2001
			MLRS Battalion		1
				MLRS Battery	2	9 M270 MLRS
		Divisional Support Command			1
				Headquarters and Headquarters Company and Band	1
				Administration Company	1
			Medical Battalion		1
			Supply and Transport Battalion		1
			Maintenance Battalion		1
				Division Direct Support Maintenance Company	1

[Sjovenia]

Is it possible to have a successful D-21 drone only for recon?

[The Akasha Colony]

Thoughts?

XXX	XX	X	III	II	# of Unit	# of Mainline Equipment
	Armored Division				9 in Army
				Headquarters and Headquarters Company, Mechanized Infantry Division	1	2 M4 C2V
				Provost Marshal Company, Heavy Division	1
				Chemical Company, Heavy Division	1
			Signal Battalion		1
				Headquarters and Headquarters Company (WIN-T)	1	WIN-T
				Area Signal Company (MSE)	3	WIN-T
				Signal Support Company (WIN-T)	1	WIN-T + TACSAT
			Military Intelligence Battalion		1
				Headquarters and Headquarters Company, MI	1
				MI Direct Support Company	3	1 JSTARS Common Ground Station
				MI General Support Company	1	3 AN/TRQ-32
			Air Defense Artillery Battalion		1
				SHORADS Battery	3	8 M6 Linebacker
				NASAMS Battery	1	12 MIM-182B NASAMS 2
		Engineer Brigade			1
			Engineer Battalion		3
				Engineer Company	3	7 M9 ACE + 2 CMV
		Armor Brigade			2
				Headquarters and Headquarters Company	1	6 M4 C2Vs
			Tank Battalion		2
				Headquarters and Headquarters Company, TNK BTN	1	2 M1
				Tank Company	4	14 M1
			Mechanized Infantry Battalion		1
				Headquarters and Headquarters Company, MECH INF BTN	1	2 M2 BIFV
				Mechanized Infantry Company	4	14 M2 BIFV
		Mechanized Infantry Brigade			1
				Headquarters and Headquarters Company	1	6 M4 C2V
			Tank Battalion		1
				Headquarters and Headquarters Company	1	2 M1
				Tank Company	4	14 M1
			Mechanized Infantry Battalion		2
				Headquarters and Headquarters Company	1	2 M2 BIFV
				Mechanized Infantry Company	4	14 M2 BIFV
		Aviation Brigade			1
			General Support Aviation Battalion		1
				Support Aviation Company	2	16 UH-60
				Command Aviation Company	1	8 UH-60 + 4 EH-60
			Attack Helicopter Battalion		2
				Attack Company	3	8 AH-64E
			Cavalry Squadron		1
				Cavalry Troop	3	9 M1 + 13 M3 CFVs
				Air Recon Troop	2	RAH-66
		Division Artillery Brigade			1
				Headquarters and Headquarters Battery	1
			Field Artillery Battalion		3
				Field Artillery Battery	3	8 M2001
			MLRS Battalion		1
				MLRS Battery	2	9 M270 MLRS
		Divisional Support Command			1
				Headquarters and Headquarters Company and Band	1
				Administration Company	1
			Medical Battalion		1
			Supply and Transport Battalion		1
			Maintenance Battalion		1
				Division Direct Support Maintenance Company	1

XXX	XX	X	III	II	# of Unit	# of Mainline Equipment
	Mechanized Infantry Division				30 in Army
				Headquarters and Headquarters Company, Mechanized Infantry Division	1	2 M4 C2V
				Provost Marshal Company, Heavy Division	1
				Chemical Company, Heavy Division	1
			Signal Battalion		1
				Headquarters and Headquarters Company (WIN-T)	1	WIN-T
				Area Signal Company (MSE)	3	WIN-T
				Signal Support Company (WIN-T)	1	WIN-T + TACSAT
			Military Intelligence Battalion		1
				Headquarters and Headquarters Company, MI	1
				MI Direct Support Company	3	1 JSTARS Common Ground Station
				MI General Support Company	1	3 AN/TRQ-32
			Air Defense Artillery Battalion		1
				SHORADS Battery	3	8 M6 Linebacker
				NASAMS Battery	1	12 MIM-182B NASAMS 2
		Engineer Brigade			1
			Engineer Battalion		3
				Engineer Company	3	7 M9 ACE + 2 CMV
		Armor Brigade			1
				Headquarters and Headquarters Company	1	6 M4 C2Vs
			Tank Battalion		2
				Headquarters and Headquarters Company, TNK BTN	1	2 M1
				Tank Company	4	14 M1
			Mechanized Infantry Battalion		1
				Headquarters and Headquarters Company, MECH INF BTN	1	2 M2 BIFV
				Mechanized Infantry Company	4	14 M2 BIFV
		Mechanized Infantry Brigade			2
				Headquarters and Headquarters Company	1	6 M4 C2V
			Tank Battalion		1
				Headquarters and Headquarters Company	1	2 M1
				Tank Company	4	14 M1
			Mechanized Infantry Battalion		2
				Headquarters and Headquarters Company	1	2 M2 BIFV
				Mechanized Infantry Company	4	14 M2 BIFV
		Aviation Brigade			1
			General Support Aviation Battalion		1
				Support Aviation Company	2	16 UH-60
				Command Aviation Company	1	8 UH-60 + 4 EH-60
			Attack Helicopter Battalion		2
				Attack Company	3	8 AH-64E
			Cavalry Squadron		1
				Cavalry Troop	3	9 M1 + 13 M3 CFVs
				Air Recon Troop	2	RAH-66
		Division Artillery Brigade			1
				Headquarters and Headquarters Battery	1
			Field Artillery Battalion		3
				Field Artillery Battery	3	8 M2001
			MLRS Battalion		1
				MLRS Battery	2	9 M270 MLRS
		Divisional Support Command			1
				Headquarters and Headquarters Company and Band	1
				Administration Company	1
			Medical Battalion		1
			Supply and Transport Battalion		1
			Maintenance Battalion		1
				Division Direct Support Maintenance Company	1

My thoughts are that if you delete the line breaks in your table code, you'll no longer have all that blank space above the tables.

[Kampala-]

Does it make sense to make and develop a doctrine around gun trucks and convoy systems from the interwar years and onwards?

Not really. A few armored cars dispersed within the convoy is adequate to keep the Bedouins and ghazis down. They're just dudes on horseback with Martini-Henries (shockingly still true 100 years later?) so it's not like they're a threat to the trucks anyway, let alone a pair of Vickers guns mounted on a Rolls.

Armored convoys and guntrucks become a big deal because ghazis started getting automatic weapons, land mines, and rocket launchers 50 years later.

[The Manticoran Empire]

Thoughts?

XXX	XX	X	III	II	# of Unit	# of Mainline Equipment
	Armored Division				9 in Army
				Headquarters and Headquarters Company, Mechanized Infantry Division	1	2 M4 C2V
				Provost Marshal Company, Heavy Division	1
				Chemical Company, Heavy Division	1
			Signal Battalion		1
				Headquarters and Headquarters Company (WIN-T)	1	WIN-T
				Area Signal Company (MSE)	3	WIN-T
				Signal Support Company (WIN-T)	1	WIN-T + TACSAT
			Military Intelligence Battalion		1
				Headquarters and Headquarters Company, MI	1
				MI Direct Support Company	3	1 JSTARS Common Ground Station
				MI General Support Company	1	3 AN/TRQ-32
			Air Defense Artillery Battalion		1
				SHORADS Battery	3	8 M6 Linebacker
				NASAMS Battery	1	12 MIM-182B NASAMS 2
		Engineer Brigade			1
			Engineer Battalion		3
				Engineer Company	3	7 M9 ACE + 2 CMV
		Armor Brigade			2
				Headquarters and Headquarters Company	1	6 M4 C2Vs
			Tank Battalion		2
				Headquarters and Headquarters Company, TNK BTN	1	2 M1
				Tank Company	4	14 M1
			Mechanized Infantry Battalion		1
				Headquarters and Headquarters Company, MECH INF BTN	1	2 M2 BIFV
				Mechanized Infantry Company	4	14 M2 BIFV
		Mechanized Infantry Brigade			1
				Headquarters and Headquarters Company	1	6 M4 C2V
			Tank Battalion		1
				Headquarters and Headquarters Company	1	2 M1
				Tank Company	4	14 M1
			Mechanized Infantry Battalion		2
				Headquarters and Headquarters Company	1	2 M2 BIFV
				Mechanized Infantry Company	4	14 M2 BIFV
		Aviation Brigade			1
			General Support Aviation Battalion		1
				Support Aviation Company	2	16 UH-60
				Command Aviation Company	1	8 UH-60 + 4 EH-60
			Attack Helicopter Battalion		2
				Attack Company	3	8 AH-64E
			Cavalry Squadron		1
				Cavalry Troop	3	9 M1 + 13 M3 CFVs
				Air Recon Troop	2	RAH-66
		Division Artillery Brigade			1
				Headquarters and Headquarters Battery	1
			Field Artillery Battalion		3
				Field Artillery Battery	3	8 M2001
			MLRS Battalion		1
				MLRS Battery	2	9 M270 MLRS
		Divisional Support Command			1
				Headquarters and Headquarters Company and Band	1
				Administration Company	1
			Medical Battalion		1
			Supply and Transport Battalion		1
			Maintenance Battalion		1
				Division Direct Support Maintenance Company	1

XXX	XX	X	III	II	# of Unit	# of Mainline Equipment
	Mechanized Infantry Division				30 in Army
				Headquarters and Headquarters Company, Mechanized Infantry Division	1	2 M4 C2V
				Provost Marshal Company, Heavy Division	1
				Chemical Company, Heavy Division	1
			Signal Battalion		1
				Headquarters and Headquarters Company (WIN-T)	1	WIN-T
				Area Signal Company (MSE)	3	WIN-T
				Signal Support Company (WIN-T)	1	WIN-T + TACSAT
			Military Intelligence Battalion		1
				Headquarters and Headquarters Company, MI	1
				MI Direct Support Company	3	1 JSTARS Common Ground Station
				MI General Support Company	1	3 AN/TRQ-32
			Air Defense Artillery Battalion		1
				SHORADS Battery	3	8 M6 Linebacker
				NASAMS Battery	1	12 MIM-182B NASAMS 2
		Engineer Brigade			1
			Engineer Battalion		3
				Engineer Company	3	7 M9 ACE + 2 CMV
		Armor Brigade			1
				Headquarters and Headquarters Company	1	6 M4 C2Vs
			Tank Battalion		2
				Headquarters and Headquarters Company, TNK BTN	1	2 M1
				Tank Company	4	14 M1
			Mechanized Infantry Battalion		1
				Headquarters and Headquarters Company, MECH INF BTN	1	2 M2 BIFV
				Mechanized Infantry Company	4	14 M2 BIFV
		Mechanized Infantry Brigade			2
				Headquarters and Headquarters Company	1	6 M4 C2V
			Tank Battalion		1
				Headquarters and Headquarters Company	1	2 M1
				Tank Company	4	14 M1
			Mechanized Infantry Battalion		2
				Headquarters and Headquarters Company	1	2 M2 BIFV
				Mechanized Infantry Company	4	14 M2 BIFV
		Aviation Brigade			1
			General Support Aviation Battalion		1
				Support Aviation Company	2	16 UH-60
				Command Aviation Company	1	8 UH-60 + 4 EH-60
			Attack Helicopter Battalion		2
				Attack Company	3	8 AH-64E
			Cavalry Squadron		1
				Cavalry Troop	3	9 M1 + 13 M3 CFVs
				Air Recon Troop	2	RAH-66
		Division Artillery Brigade			1
				Headquarters and Headquarters Battery	1
			Field Artillery Battalion		3
				Field Artillery Battery	3	8 M2001
			MLRS Battalion		1
				MLRS Battery	2	9 M270 MLRS
		Divisional Support Command			1
				Headquarters and Headquarters Company and Band	1
				Administration Company	1
			Medical Battalion		1
			Supply and Transport Battalion		1
			Maintenance Battalion		1
				Division Direct Support Maintenance Company	1

My thoughts are that if you delete the line breaks in your table code, you'll no longer have all that blank space above the tables.

Thanks for the suggestion. I've been wondering why that space is there all the time.


https://www.nationstates.net/nation=the_manticoran_empire/detail=factbook/id=758971
That better?

[Free-Don]

Not really. A few armored cars dispersed within the convoy is adequate to keep the Bedouins and ghazis down. They're just dudes on horseback with Martini-Henries (shockingly still true 100 years later?) so it's not like they're a threat to the trucks anyway, let alone a pair of Vickers guns mounted on a Rolls.

Armored convoys and guntrucks become a big deal because ghazis started getting automatic weapons, land mines, and rocket launchers 50 years later.

Does your opinion change when I give further context that said communists and fascist supporters are my own people or external influencers. Potentially with a ideological and political civil war going on in the background (think of my nation as ukraine next to the Russian Civil War circa 1920). So rather than just dudes on horseback with martinis it's on horseback, on trains, in cars, and on bicycles with single shots, hunting rifles, shotguns, and the occasional machine gun.

Regardless the armored car thing kinda fits with what I was thinking was going to happen as a kinda standard form of operation. So thank you.

[Gallia-]

Does your opinion change

The Bolsheviks and the Whites were literally horseback Cossacks with machine guns mounted on wooden carriages, so I'm not sure what you're getting at.

[Free-Don]

What I hope was i could bring more context that establishes where my stuff is coming from and how an idea might come about from it.

Ukraine in particular had many fairly fast moving and reasonably well equipped force as some enemy forces might be part of the military or government themselves. When compared to colonial fighting, which is what I believe the Kampala was referencing, not much development of writing is needed as simply having an automatic weapon available is enough in most cases for a successful defense or countermeasure.