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Postby Hayo » Sun Apr 15, 2018 8:16 pm

Another kind of weird one was the WWII British Commando organization.

Glorious but sadly dead Bayonet Strength wrote:The Army Commando, circa 1943 to 1944

Commando Headquarters (7 Officers, 82 men) * increased by 3 men during 1944

Heavy Weapons Troops (2 Officers and 37 men)

Troop HQ (2 Officers, 4 men)

3-inch Mortar Section (17 men)

Medium Machine Gun Section (16 men)

Five Assault Troops (3 Officers and 63 men), each comprised of;

Troop HQ (1 Officer, 9 men)

Two Sections, each comprised of;

Section HQ (1 Officer, 1 man)

Two Sub-Sections, each 13 men

Total Strength of 458 all ranks (24 Officers and 434 men) * increased to 461 all ranks during 1944


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Postby Gallia- » Sun Apr 15, 2018 8:18 pm

Hayo wrote:Wehrmacht had square platoons


so did everyone else

then they didnt O:

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youre sufficiently correct to avoid fully realizing that you are usually more often wrong than right and the consequences that brings: learning

which is really the most dangerous type of wrongheadedness there is: proud ignorance

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you being incapable of understanding nuance and when your ability to be generally/broadly "correct" is actually just a less obvious form of being wrong

you literally have no idea what i asked and that's OK because not everyone knows the difference between a rifle and a smoothbore rocket launcher

Manokan Republic wrote:You have to consider that sometimes people make mistakes.


the russians who designed (and possibly tested) rpg-29 probably had IQs a full one or two sds above your own so youre not really in any place to judge tbh, unless you have n decades of experience in design of rocket launchers and armaments in all manner of areas (materials, electrics, aerodynamics, etc.) in the soviet union in the mid-late cold war and an IQ in the 140s-150s

seems unlikely since you cant tell the difference between a SMAW and Carl Gustaf
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Hayo
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Postby Hayo » Sun Apr 15, 2018 8:28 pm

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Postby Gallia- » Sun Apr 15, 2018 8:29 pm

just 122 more mentions and we'll have the current page number met

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Postby -Alemannia- » Sun Apr 15, 2018 8:37 pm

if their IQs were that many sds ahead, wouldn't they have used fibre wrap
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Postby Gallia- » Sun Apr 15, 2018 8:43 pm

-Alemannia- wrote:if their IQs were that many sds ahead, wouldn't they have used fibre wrap


130 IQ is not really anything super special it's 2-sigma IQ in Weschler scale so it's not super rare or anything; a surgeon or a decent specialist doctor probably has an IQ around there on average

anyway they would not if they lacked in the requisite areas of economic or industrial investment due to competing needs? maybe they simply lacked requisite number of sufficiently big autoclaves

you might as well ask why the americans in 1992 were making shit bad composites instead of just building A-12s by the dozens or w/e; it's a question of economic development and learning curve, not raw intellect, the very fact that they were able to begin to scale the learning curve (bazalt produced RPG-27 contemporary with RPG-29 and the former was a fiberglass tube of 105mm diameter, so it was almost big enough to be RPG-29!) is proof that their intellect is good enough to solve the problem since getting to production is the hardest part of any system development because actually making things requires more than just brainpower but also industry and physical capability to make things: something the allegedly developed west is forgetting as we speak (outside of Japan and Germany)

the soviets were capable of producing good fiber tubes but possibly not big/long enough or strong enough to deal with RPG-29 which is possibly why bazalt went with the safer option: steel? who_knows tbh

the point is some industrial bottleneck is more likely than the russians being dumb; and given the russian national iq is fairly low the IQ 130s and 140s were themselves a scarce resource, so they may not have been available in sufficient quantity in turkmenistan or whatever to expedite production of precursor chemicals or enforce ordnung to stoke the coal furnaces of electrical plant no 42 since they were busy working at tractor factory no 157 to make RPG-29 go from paper to real life
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Postby Puzikas » Sun Apr 15, 2018 10:15 pm

My IQ is squarely around room temperature most days.
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Postby Crookfur » Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:32 am

Hayo wrote:Another kind of weird one was the WWII British Commando organization.

Glorious but sadly dead Bayonet Strength wrote:The Army Commando, circa 1943 to 1944

Commando Headquarters (7 Officers, 82 men) * increased by 3 men during 1944

Heavy Weapons Troops (2 Officers and 37 men)

Troop HQ (2 Officers, 4 men)

3-inch Mortar Section (17 men)

Medium Machine Gun Section (16 men)

Five Assault Troops (3 Officers and 63 men), each comprised of;

Troop HQ (1 Officer, 9 men)

Two Sections, each comprised of;

Section HQ (1 Officer, 1 man)

Two Sub-Sections, each 13 men

Total Strength of 458 all ranks (24 Officers and 434 men) * increased to 461 all ranks during 1944


IIRC the size and shape of the commando assault troops was driven primarily by being able to split up and fit into a pair of LCAs
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Postby Gallia- » Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:48 am

Puzikas wrote:My IQ is squarely around room temperature most days.


you should wear a ice vest obv

biust ur brayn

e: o wait u live in nor'east so basically alaska now RIPPPPPppp

e2: it's april and i slipped on some ice outside over the wekend like how lmao
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Postby Austrasien » Mon Apr 16, 2018 6:48 am

Squad Leader
Mortarman
Ammo bearer
Rifleman
Rifleman

Team Leader
Mortarman
Ammo bearer
Rifleman
Rifleman

This squad is fyre.

The standard weapon of the squad is a balanced automatic, heavy barrel AR. The mortarmen carry 50 mm commando mortars.
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Postby Dostanuot Loj » Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:02 am

I like to play with square platoons with 14-man sections. One section fire/maneuvers, the other section maneuver/fires.
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Postby Tule » Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:19 am

Bren Platoon:

3x Bren section:

Section leader: Browning HP
Bren gunner
Bren gunner
Bren gunner
Bren gunner
Bren gunner
Bren gunner
Bren ammo carrier

Die huns.
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Postby Austrasien » Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:21 am

Tule wrote:Bren ammo carrier


he must be swole
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Postby Puzikas » Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:06 am

Gallia- wrote:
Puzikas wrote:My IQ is squarely around room temperature most days.


you should wear a ice vest obv

biust ur brayn

e: o wait u live in nor'east so basically alaska now RIPPPPPppp

e2: it's april and i slipped on some ice outside over the wekend like how lmao


I had all my windows open Sunday at 3pm and four hours later I turned on my heat

I want a refund they promised me +2°c global change in temperature.
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Postby Schwere Panzer Abteilung 502 » Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:15 am

Gallia- wrote:
Puzikas wrote:My IQ is squarely around room temperature most days.


you should wear a ice vest obv

biust ur brayn

e: o wait u live in nor'east so basically alaska now RIPPPPPppp

e2: it's april and i slipped on some ice outside over the wekend like how lmao

solution: safety briefs
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Postby Puzikas » Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:42 am

T-t-throwback

Gallia- wrote:
Puzikas wrote:@galla hwat asparagus do you want on 12.7x55


Why exist. Why not erryman 6P62?

IDK what specifically I want to know about it, though, which is why I said I don't know anything about it. I mean, besides it exists, and it goes through ~stuff~. What is his historical purpose? Were Muj running around with IOTVs and alumina plates made by the CIA? Did Big Boss really kidnap the entire 40th Army with a pocket full of weather balloons and a chestpiece full of boron carbide? Is that why ASh-12.7 exists? To fight Big Boss wearing his THICC armor suit impenetrable to weak ass 5.45x39mm? Or is there something more banal going on like:

>When u fightan'
>Barriers and possibly heavy body armor
>"We need a bullet"
>"You can have a 6P62"
>"Make it lighter"
>"OK you can have an ASh-12.7"
>"But you cut the bullet in half"
>"It's OK just get real close"
>"Good enough"
>

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And it was so?

Picked from the meme vine itself.



Anuuu

12.7x54/55mm is actually 2 calibers that share designation

There is 12.7mm AsH-12, which is like Russia Beowulf. I have no fuggin idea why it exists. It seems the only reason it exists is the same reason .50 Beo exists: Spicy meme economy and a willingness for the «((ФСБ))» to accept it.

Then there is actually useful 12.7 Vyclops, which exists because sneeki beeki shots at 300m are hard to do accurately with enough penetrative ability to kill Chechen in a vest.

There was a significant enough prevailance of Armored vests in Chechen hands that it was an issue but above all else, Chechnya is a very difficult environment to fight in. It's a lot of old growth forestry of dense wood and forestry, and all the buildings are stone and plaster and concrete. It became necessary to engage targets with heavier, more effective penetrating weapons like 7.62x39mm/54mmR than 5.45; it's part of the reason 9x39mm has such a "prevailance" among SpetSnaz troops. While 9x39mm was a specialist cartridge, it has seen nothing but increasing use among Special Forces in Russia since, since it's so efficient. The 12.7x55mm is more portable, softer shooting, and just as effective within 300m realistically as 12.7x108mm, while being sneeki. Perfect for its role.
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Postby Fordorsia » Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:45 am

Doing a 5x28mm retro future rifle

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Postby Spreewerke » Mon Apr 16, 2018 9:34 am

It was several pages back, but re: airsoft for training, it is adequate for CQB training, but by the time you're equipping $300-something airsoft rifles with another set of $2k optic, $1.3k IR lasers, $300 flashlights, etc., you could really just be using a drop-in simunitions bolt for your actual rifle and some sim ammo. I've done both at trainings. The sims made way more sense. They're not super accurate, not as fast as a real bullet, but you were using your real gun and equipment, so weight, balance, handling, etc., was all identical.

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Postby Puzikas » Mon Apr 16, 2018 9:49 am

>he doesn't gear up his $400 Airsoft rifle with $9000 of individual kit

I bet you kiss girls too
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Postby Tule » Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:05 am

Austrasien wrote:
Tule wrote:Bren ammo carrier


he must be swole


Nah, he just uses a wheelbarrow.
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Postby Free-Don » Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:18 am

The projections I had were for state produced and civil made air guns was for 120ish USD because there's no need for 2,000 shot batteries and gear box's when you can either reload a compressed air cylinder or a co2 cartridge for 200-300 shots depending on the cylinder size and the psi/fps you desire. The number I proposed was also for the inclusion of magazines, adapters for a tire filler, and 5,000 plastic biodegradable has in 0.25 grams.

Even assuming civilian prices for sights puts most at around 100-800 assuming that people aren't going to just use the same optic but with a lens protector. Same goes for lasers and lights being at around 110-400 at civilian prices which can be mounted on with just an extra protective lens or something to that effect.

Ammo costs for 180 training rounds and the training bolt itself are going to be similar to:
buying an airgun, 4-6 magazines, an adapter for air tanks and a compressor, 400 bbs, a mounted flashlight, and a laser sight. I don't see why people would bother with optical sights as it's mostly within 50 meters with direct fire and about 80+ meters with indirect fire assuming 350 fps (10 m with simunitions according to their website but likely it's 35 meters with indirect fire).

Edits to make me sound conherant.
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Postby Gallia- » Mon Apr 16, 2018 12:09 pm

mfw fsb rolling ash-12.7s

shld gayla have a big nasty 12.7mm ar-15 smg y/y

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Postby Theodosiya » Mon Apr 16, 2018 1:03 pm

Armored vests...

Puz, what kind of vests and helmets would be prevalent in sizable number in USSR/Russia/Ukraine forces (Army-Marines) in Crimea and southwest Russia-Southeast Ukraine? In fact, what units stationed around there and is there any Nuclear weapons too?

And USSR/Russia arrangement for mechanized squad is for a Automatic Rifleman, a RPG operator and rifles, under command by a squad leader who are also IFV commander?
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Postby Kanugues Wed » Mon Apr 16, 2018 5:10 pm

Hayo wrote:(Image)


Is it possible to break that down by "gallia or not"?
Sure, we might look communist, but we are legitimately a democratic country.

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Postby Kanugues Wed » Mon Apr 16, 2018 5:34 pm

Is there anything visible in the drawing of this that is broken or no???

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Is anti "12 year old with flashbang wire straw hat on exhaust" an effective countermeasure or no?
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