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Great Nepal
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Postby Great Nepal » Mon Feb 22, 2010 11:09 pm

Fatatatutti wrote:
Great Nepal wrote:If some one wants to know about your nation they wont go to each person house to say what is your country like. they would see the flag and say that you are a communists. So see how much is flag identity of your country. And burning it is a act of terrorism.

I already told you that our flag says very little about our nation. And I already told you that violent people who attack flag-burners are far more likely to be terrorists. Stop repeating yourself and address those issues.

I have no issues cos I already addressed them.
Any way, Its your flag who has really nothing to do with your nation but majority has. And I dont think we have same vision about terrorism.
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Postby Mutant Lobster People » Mon Feb 22, 2010 11:14 pm

lobsters dont really care, or see the reason to get so angry over it.
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Postby Fatatatutti » Mon Feb 22, 2010 11:15 pm

Great Nepal wrote:And I dont think we have same vision about terrorism.

You think burning a piece of cloth is terrorism. I think killing people is more like terrorism. No, we certainly do not have the same vision of terrorism.

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Tungookska
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Postby Tungookska » Mon Feb 22, 2010 11:18 pm

I wipe my nose on flags

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Nexus Corp
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Postby Nexus Corp » Tue Feb 23, 2010 12:38 am

Flag burning is good for business!
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Postby DeusII » Tue Feb 23, 2010 12:38 am

Fatatatutti wrote:
Great Nepal wrote:And I dont think we have same vision about terrorism.

You think burning a piece of cloth is terrorism. I think killing people is more like terrorism. No, we certainly do not have the same vision of terrorism.

Burning a flag is treason. If you were to burn a table cloth, no body would care. The flag represents the state and burning it is an act of defiance against it. It's as good as killing the emperor himself.
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Postby Santheres » Tue Feb 23, 2010 12:40 am

DeusII wrote:
Fatatatutti wrote:
Great Nepal wrote:And I dont think we have same vision about terrorism.

You think burning a piece of cloth is terrorism. I think killing people is more like terrorism. No, we certainly do not have the same vision of terrorism.

Burning a flag is treason. If you were to burn a table cloth, no body would care. The flag represents the state and burning it is an act of defiance against it. It's as good as killing the emperor himself.


Surely that's an overstatement. There are millions of flags and no single one of them is important to anything. The emperor, however, leads the country and there's only one of him.
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Postby Omniplacet » Tue Feb 23, 2010 12:48 am

Burning a flag is a right of the people. Free-speech should be enlivened and reawakened in our world. There is no treason when done in protest against something morally objectionable.

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Postby Joannalandia » Tue Feb 23, 2010 12:56 am

Joannalandians are only permitted to burn the flags of her enemies.
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Postby Fatatatutti » Tue Feb 23, 2010 1:02 am

DeusII wrote:Burning a flag is treason. If you were to burn a table cloth, no body would care. The flag represents the state and burning it is an act of defiance against it. It's as good as killing the emperor himself.

We don't recognize treason as a crime. Defiance against the state is part of the individual's right to freedom of expression. Only acts which hurt people are unacceptable.

And finally, killing an emperor is no different from killing anybody else.

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Postby Sebally-Orwitskia » Tue Feb 23, 2010 8:53 am

Sebally-Orwistkinese understand the grave injustice brought on by flag burning and how it offends the heart, soul, and mind. It is the ten great crimes in our nation and we follow the Logoskria Tribe Punishments.

Minor Punishment(If lucky):
Would be stoning while stripped under a hot sun and will be splashed with ice cold water every thirteen minutes as well as follow the Chinese water torture before being released and, castrated(applicable to males only.), Women shall be sterilized as to never give birth at all. If they have children before the incident, children will be injected with toxins to create deformity in their bodies, thus never giving them a normal life again.

Major Punishment:

Will be sodomized in public by the most nauseating men and spitted on, whipped on, at the same time, all in front of the view of family and friends. Then they shall be engraved on their foreheads, the 'trean' scar, as to show their shame. All health services, be it public, or private will be denied to them, for if they suffer infection, they shall rot like the scum they are.

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Postby DeusII » Tue Feb 23, 2010 10:56 am

Fatatatutti wrote:
DeusII wrote:Burning a flag is treason. If you were to burn a table cloth, no body would care. The flag represents the state and burning it is an act of defiance against it. It's as good as killing the emperor himself.

We don't recognize treason as a crime. Defiance against the state is part of the individual's right to freedom of expression. Only acts which hurt people are unacceptable.

And finally, killing an emperor is no different from killing anybody else.

And that is where you differ from some many others in your anarchic state.
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Postby Great Nepal » Tue Feb 23, 2010 10:59 am

DeusII wrote:
Fatatatutti wrote:
Great Nepal wrote:And I dont think we have same vision about terrorism.

You think burning a piece of cloth is terrorism. I think killing people is more like terrorism. No, we certainly do not have the same vision of terrorism.

Burning a flag is treason. If you were to burn a table cloth, no body would care. The flag represents the state and burning it is an act of defiance against it. It's as good as killing the emperor himself.

[/quote]
That is a overstatement, but I know what you mean. Burning a flag is same as killing a emperor.
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Postby Fatatatutti » Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:00 am

DeusII wrote:
Fatatatutti wrote:We don't recognize treason as a crime. Defiance against the state is part of the individual's right to freedom of expression. Only acts which hurt people are unacceptable.
And finally, killing an emperor is no different from killing anybody else.

And that is where you differ from some many others in your anarchic state.

Thank you. It's an honour to differ from those who value flags above humans.

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Postby DeusII » Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:06 am

Fatatatutti wrote:
DeusII wrote:
Fatatatutti wrote:We don't recognize treason as a crime. Defiance against the state is part of the individual's right to freedom of expression. Only acts which hurt people are unacceptable.
And finally, killing an emperor is no different from killing anybody else.

And that is where you differ from some many others in your anarchic state.

Thank you. It's an honour to differ from those who value flags above humans.

We value national heritage and honour above the rights to anarchy and violence, correct.
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Postby Fatatatutti » Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:41 am

DeusII wrote:We value national heritage and honour above the rights to anarchy and violence, correct.

There is no honour in venerating a flag above freedom. I don't know what you're going on about a right to violence. I'm the one who's against violence, remember? Including violence toward flag-burners.

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Postby First of Two » Tue Feb 23, 2010 1:52 pm

But anarchies are violent.

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Postby Fatatatutti » Tue Feb 23, 2010 2:26 pm

First of Two wrote:But anarchies are violent.

Silly stereotype.

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Postby Neo Israel » Tue Feb 23, 2010 2:30 pm

Fatatatutti wrote:
First of Two wrote:But anarchies are violent.

Silly stereotype.


There are many silly stereotypes in this world. For myself, I would just as soon live in a nicely ordered state like this one.

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Postby Satirius » Tue Feb 23, 2010 2:40 pm

Great Nepal wrote:
DeusII wrote:
Fatatatutti wrote:
Great Nepal wrote:And I dont think we have same vision about terrorism.

You think burning a piece of cloth is terrorism. I think killing people is more like terrorism. No, we certainly do not have the same vision of terrorism.

Burning a flag is treason. If you were to burn a table cloth, no body would care. The flag represents the state and burning it is an act of defiance against it. It's as good as killing the emperor himself.


That is a overstatement, but I know what you mean. Burning a flag is same as killing a emperor.[/quote]

Requires much less effort tho. Zippo lighter+flag<sniper rifle+careful plan+vantage point+fanatic.

As for our nation, flag-burning is acceptable so long as it is carried out in a local foundry so that the fire it aided would be productive, or sent into a disassembly plant where the threads make other things. Burning the flag in the middle of the street is considered a minor offense as crimes go as it makes the flag unproductive (resources made in using it is not remade into better things), but is not met with more than a Riot Officer clearing the offender out with his baton and stamping out the fire on most occasions.
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Postby Alachia » Tue Feb 23, 2010 3:36 pm

Flag burning is highly illegal and punishable by death.
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Postby First of Two » Tue Feb 23, 2010 7:19 pm

Fatatatutti wrote:
First of Two wrote:But anarchies are violent.

Silly stereotype.


Silly, but true.

Or to put it more accurately, imaginary anarchies that exist only in the minds of anarchists may be non-violent.

However, all real examples of anarchies have been excruciatingly violent.

Therefore, anarchies do not pass the Missouri Test.*

*Because Missouri is the "show me" state, and you can't "show me" a functional nonviolent anarchy.
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Postby Fatatatutti » Tue Feb 23, 2010 7:37 pm

First of Two wrote:Or to put it more accurately, imaginary anarchies that exist only in the minds of anarchists may be non-violent.

However, all real examples of anarchies have been excruciatingly violent.

So, since Fatatatutti is decidedly non-violent, your logic indicates that we are not an anarchy.

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Postby Santheres » Tue Feb 23, 2010 7:41 pm

Fatatatutti wrote:
First of Two wrote:Or to put it more accurately, imaginary anarchies that exist only in the minds of anarchists may be non-violent.

However, all real examples of anarchies have been excruciatingly violent.

So, since Fatatatutti is decidedly non-violent, your logic indicates that we are not an anarchy.


It would seem that the fact that you have a government, however small and unobtrusive, should indicate the absence of anarchy in Fatatatutti.
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Postby Satirius » Tue Feb 23, 2010 7:48 pm

Santheres wrote:
Fatatatutti wrote:
First of Two wrote:Or to put it more accurately, imaginary anarchies that exist only in the minds of anarchists may be non-violent.

However, all real examples of anarchies have been excruciatingly violent.

So, since Fatatatutti is decidedly non-violent, your logic indicates that we are not an anarchy.


It would seem that the fact that you have a government, however small and unobtrusive, should indicate the absence of anarchy in Fatatatutti.

De facto/quasi-anarchy?
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