Argument Thread OOC Future Tech Only

[No endorse]

Diplomacy? With a race that views you as food? Or how about one that exists in 15 dimensions, only two of which we share with them? How about hyperintelligent shades of blue that are actively harmed by our white flashlights? Or diffuse clouds of sentient gas that our spaceships plow through like bullets? There can be no peace with such things, only war.

[Red Talons]

To quote myself...

Universal peace is an archaic concept. Its like taking a handful of sand and expecting none of it to slip through your fingers.

IC perspective= Make peace with those who can kill you, anything else will be handled on a case by case basis.


As a side note, what would be the pro's and cons of using wire guided missiles for capital ships?

[The Fedral Union]

To quote myself...

Universal peace is an archaic concept. Its like taking a handful of sand and expecting none of it to slip through your fingers.

IC perspective= Make peace with those who can kill you, anything else will be handled on a case by case basis.


As a side note, what would be the pro's and cons of using wire guided missiles for capital ships?

They're useless.... The type of inertia and force your talking about for ship to ship missiles would snap the wire instantly. And number two they would have shit range unless you want to make a light second ranged wire coil (that would be big..) It will also render your ships immobile if you manage to get around all the practical issues, you wouldn't be able to move or accelerate for shit.

Why would you want a wire guided missile any way? Guidance systems by now should be reliable enough to guide a missile true to target.

[North Calaveras]

so im considering playing as a nation called the Colonial Remnant( United States Colonial Remnant for long) which would be this lost colony of humans from earth using tech from the movie alien etc etc pulse rifles etc etc and Weyland-Yutani would be a "good" corporation for the most part and support them and the military and be the primary corporate power in this new world. Essentially they will have to get along to start again.



your thoughts

[Sertian]

To quote myself...

Universal peace is an archaic concept. Its like taking a handful of sand and expecting none of it to slip through your fingers.

IC perspective= Make peace with those who can kill you, anything else will be handled on a case by case basis.


As a side note, what would be the pro's and cons of using wire guided missiles for capital ships?

Wire guided missiles, as in, a wire runs from the missile launcher behind the missile to guide it? (I may be wrong on the terminology here). If that is so, you are aware of the vast distances in space warfare, right? You'd need wires at least the diameter of the earth to have any sort of decent range.

[Red Talons]

To quote myself...

Universal peace is an archaic concept. Its like taking a handful of sand and expecting none of it to slip through your fingers.

IC perspective= Make peace with those who can kill you, anything else will be handled on a case by case basis.


As a side note, what would be the pro's and cons of using wire guided missiles for capital ships?

They're useless.... The type of inertia and force your talking about for ship to ship missiles would snap the wire instantly. And number two they would have shit range unless you want to make a light second ranged wire coil (that would be big..) It will also render your ships immobile if you manage to get around all the practical issues, you wouldn't be able to move or accelerate for shit.

Why would you want a wire guided missile any way? Guidance systems by now should be reliable enough to guide a missile true to target.

I had considered the ramifications of the wires... And at the rate my warships launch missiles sometimes (especially my missile cruiser) it would quickly become the center of a web of wires...

Mostly i was considering using a wire guidance system as a fallback for close ranges, basically knife fighting range. Though the more i think about it the more i think it would be better to just use the same/less space for an ansible if i really wanted the missile to be guided from the ship...

[Risen Britannia]

what are peoples opinions on large ships in atmosphere? In games,films and tv you will quite often you see ships +400m long flying, landing or even hovering in atmosphere, but to me that seems a bit off. I wouldn't even try to fly one of my 70m Skirmisher frigates through atmosphere let alone one of my larger ships.

[Arthropoda Ingens]

Diplomacy? With a race that views you as food? Or how about one that exists in 15 dimensions, only two of which we share with them? How about hyperintelligent shades of blue that are actively harmed by our white flashlights? Or diffuse clouds of sentient gas that our spaceships plow through like bullets? There can be no peace with such things, only war.

The hyperintelligent shades of blue I know have a remarkably dirty sense of humour, I rather like chatting with them, tbh.

[Clamparapa]

Lemme re-ask this question. What form of communications modulation is viable in space-born communication systems? Amplitude, frequency, digital, phase? Are there other forms that exist out there? (not ways of transmitting like light, psychic, etc, but ways of modulating the carrier wave to fit the message wave)

[Ruthless Slaughter]

what are peoples opinions on large ships in atmosphere? In games,films and tv you will quite often you see ships +400m long flying, landing or even hovering in atmosphere, but to me that seems a bit off. I wouldn't even try to fly one of my 70m Skirmisher frigates through atmosphere let alone one of my larger ships.

The largest ship I would even consider putting into low orbit would be one of my Omega class frigates. (about 200m long) Anything under that, like a Prowler class corvette (90m), Attack ships (70m), or Advanced Gunship Fighters (10m) are fine though I would only chance a corvette and naturally Attack Ships and fighters in atmosphere. For reference, the Attack Ship I use is the same one used by the Dominion from Star Trek Deep Space Nine, but with my own shields and weapons.

[Thrashia]

Largest vessel I have that is atmospheric capable/safe is 1,137m in length.

[Risen Britannia]

what are peoples opinions on large ships in atmosphere? In games,films and tv you will quite often you see ships +400m long flying, landing or even hovering in atmosphere, but to me that seems a bit off. I wouldn't even try to fly one of my 70m Skirmisher frigates through atmosphere let alone one of my larger ships.

The largest ship I would even consider putting into low orbit would be one of my Omega class frigates. (about 200m long) Anything under that, like a Prowler class corvette (90m), Attack ships (70m), or Advanced Gunship Fighters (10m) are fine though I would only chance a corvette and naturally Attack Ships and fighters in atmosphere. For reference, the Attack Ship I use is the same one used by the Dominion from Star Trek Deep Space Nine, but with my own shields and weapons.

Shielding is another reason i don't put ships into atmosphere. As we found that the shields tend to discharge into the atmosphere sometimes causing it to ignite

(there is a ship in the middle of that)

But it drains the shields something awful. (this is also why my ground units dont have shields)

[Ruthless Slaughter]

Solid point. My troops use refractor fields but my ships have to drop shields when going planetside. This is especially troublesome for my fighters, which have small shielding units for space combat.

[Senestrum]

My ships can probably handle atmospheric flight, which is p lol because they start at 3km and go up from there.

Of course, they would have to either go at speed or hover on their tail since I don't have magiclol antigrav, which in both cases would mean that the engines would be going in-atmosphere. And that would be very, very bad for anything in the vicinity of the flight path.

[Lemonius]

It's very rare you'll see one of my ships in-atmosphere, dropships and fighters occasionally, but mostly they stay in space.

The dropships and gunships do not need to drop shields, consider the former has none and the latter has such a small deflector shield it would do very little.
Most of my ships are built in orbital ship yards, I guess the only time it would enter the atmosphere is if it crashed or had some disasterous power shortage, etc.

[Sskiss]

Atmospheric capable? Only various drones and armoured landers. The former range from 1.5m - 7m in overall length. The latter are a thick saucer shape and are about 75 meters across and 18 meters in depth. The attack drones are shielded as are the landers.

[Ruthless Slaughter]

It's very rare you'll see one of my ships in-atmosphere, dropships and fighters occasionally, but mostly they stay in space.

The dropships and gunships do not need to drop shields, consider the former has none and the latter has such a small deflector shield it would do very little.
Most of my ships are built in orbital ship yards, I guess the only time it would enter the atmosphere is if it crashed or had some disasterous power shortage, etc.

That's where I'm at. The only exceptions are fighters and infantry support craft. You'll get smaller vessels dropping in to provide overhead artillery cover, but it's the fighters and gunships flying CAS. I've been toying with the idea of deflectors for the fighters, but I'm worried about the fluff reasoning as to why my fighter one: need shields, and two: in terms of cost why would they have to be a whole different model than what our other naval vessels mount? However going back to my Aliens Gunships v. 40 Valk/Vendetta question having two or more atmospheric craft WOULD merit looking into a separate, smaller shield module for them.

EDIT: Forgot which thread I was posting in, this is the argument thread. Moving my question.

[The Fedral Union]

The Terran Space Forces have two classes of frigates the largest at 280 meters long and dedicated troop ship at 500 meters long capable of descending in to a planets atmosphere , the former two supporting troop operations creating an umbrella of protection for many, many miles far beyond visual range with their weapon systems and a limited "local" projected shielding to keep orbital bombardment from toasting the landing site for troops.

[Ularn]

As long as your ship's capable of pulling an acceleration of more than 1G (hint: all warships should be able to pull a few hundred times this) then there's no reason you couldn't have them fly around in orbit;they just need to make sure their trust is equal to the gravitational pull of the planet.

On the other hand, this could have disastrous consequences for anything on the surface which is on the receiving end of that thrust. You do not want one of your ships floating above the same continent as one of your population centres. Also, your ships are probably much more vulnerable while in atmosphere as well.

The USN's biggest ships are 800m and could easily cope with flight in Earth's gravity. But besides our landing craft (~100m) there's nothing particularly huge in our fleet that ever knows what atmosphere feels like. Why would we need them to?

[The Fedral Union]

This is why gravatic drives are fun, they don't have "thrust" in a conventional sense.

[Ularn]

This is why gravatic drives are fun, they don't have "thrust" in a conventional sense.

True (I use the same thing) but I still don't know why you'd want to put your starships in atmosphere. There seems no advantage to it and plenty that can go wrong.

[The Fedral Union]

They don't necessarily have to hang at the troposphere level that's a bit retarded, but I'm talking upper atmosphere. With teleporters the amount of drop ships has thinned.

[Sertian]

Pretty much all Sertian fighters/gunships are atmospheric capable (it is their intended role, after all). Corvettes are typically atmospheric capable, but their sluggish since they're primarily designed for space (and consume quite a bit of power to fight air resistence). Large wise, SpecOps has a stealth frigate around ~80m long which can hover in place in an atmosphere as well as fly through it, commonly to sneakily drop off agents or supplies. The Seraph 150m kinetic assault frigate could also, conceivably, operate in an atmosphere, but they're more effective in orbit shooting down at anything in the atmosphere.

Largest vessel designed to actually enter an atmosphere is a mobile base ship, and it's designed for a one way journey to then be unpacked into a forward base ground side for an invasion. Although, the incredible armor of Sertian warships means that a ship COULD conceivably crash into a planet and be relatively in tact, at least on the outside. The innards might be pancaked in the nose depending on what sort of landing. Lift off would be pretty brutal to the surrounding area, though.

[Clamparapa]

Lemme re-ask this question. What form of communications modulation is viable in space-born communication systems? Amplitude, frequency, digital, phase? Are there other forms that exist out there? (not ways of transmitting like light, psychic, etc, but ways of modulating the carrier wave to fit the message wave)

OH YOU GUISE D:<

[OMGeverynameistaken]

Russian ships communicate using really big signal flares.

Space fireworks > Biphasic hyperwave ampliradiojigger