Argument Thread OOC Future Tech Only

[Ularn]

Then again, this is coming from the guy who has troops running around with solely power blades and shields.

That probably gives you more credibility, if anything. If the guy with the batshit-insane military doctrine is telling you that your military doctrine is batshit insane then you know it's time to re-evaluate!

[Sennai]

while i see horses being doomed to gettign shot to bits and so on i didnt specify horses.

The protectrate i mention uses a lizard like creature that has hard scales in addition a personal energy sheild, it doesnt need to eat often (twice a month maybe) and when it does eat it digest's almost perfectly. As i mentioned, a head on charge against anything in FT (let alone modern!) will result in horrible horrible death. thats why they rely more on hit and run and night attacks. as of now they arnt the most tech advanced people but later they may adapt some more tech.

[Lemonius]

I have some crazy reptile I use as ceremonial cavalry, but that's as far as I go..

[Arthropoda Ingens]

Robot horses.

[Risen Britannia]

robot unicorn attack ?

[Imperati]

You know, I can actually see these as feasible for use in night raids. Would be scary as shit, all of a sudden dragon like things scaling the walls of your FOB and munchin' on your CO.

[Galla-]

robot unicorn attack ?

relevant

[Imperati]

That picture my good sir, is positively brilliant.

[Vernii]

That is a bit silly. All you'd need to do is look back at Poland during the German Blitz in 1938. The Poles decided to do an old-fashioned cavalry charge into the armored spear head. Look who wound up losing.

That never happened btw.

[Galla-]

You know, I can actually see these as feasible for use in night raids. Would be scary as shit, all of a sudden dragon like things scaling the walls of your FOB and munchin' on your CO.

So your FOB has no automated sentries, thermal imagers, ground surveillance radar, remote detonated motion-detecting land mines, etc? It would be better if one hundred or so riflemen crawled all over the walls of your FOB and started shooting down into the base.

Also keep in mind all of that stuff I mentioned is employed by FOBs today in Afghanistan.

[Risen Britannia]

robot unicorn attack ?

relevant

relevant + fun
as we are linking art I especially like this one as i live under 15 miles from that building

[Imperati]

You know, I can actually see these as feasible for use in night raids. Would be scary as shit, all of a sudden dragon like things scaling the walls of your FOB and munchin' on your CO.

So your FOB has no automated sentries, thermal imagers, ground surveillance radar, remote detonated motion-detecting land mines, etc? It would be better if one hundred or so riflemen crawled all over the walls of your FOB and started shooting down into the base.

Also keep in mind all of that stuff I mentioned is employed by FOBs today in Afghanistan.

Alright, we don't have the automated sentries mate. Served there.

But, naw my FOB's do, but you have to remember everything can fail. I mean, we still get attacked even with all that shit.

Oh, and the remote detonated mines, claymores. Just say that. It's so much simpler.

But, Imperati FOB's typically have minefields, 500 meters of scorched earth around them, and guys on the guns up at the turrets, and all that other fancy shit but everything is fallible.

[Zebian Syndicate]

Everything.

First idea comes to mind? Lizard horse things with heavy duty high powered mortars duct tapped to their backs flanking an FOB on all sides and planting themselves in strategic locations.
Helluva time.

[Sennai]

is this a bad time to mention the protecrates have those too? (well, much larger, think squater the size of a pickup or a large van.) aswell as avatar esque flying lizard birdies. just cause they ride beasts doesnt mean they dont have some serious bang and rather innovative ways to marry the modern dakka and assplody with what they got.

[The Fedral Union]

Everything.

First idea comes to mind? Lizard horse things with heavy duty high powered mortars duct tapped to their backs flanking an FOB on all sides and planting themselves in strategic locations.
Helluva time.

Yeah a few things though:
The caliber of the system your using, the amount of recoil it produces, room for the auto loading system (I assume it wouldn't be manually loaded). The weight of the entire weapon system and what impact on speed/ health of the animal it would have. And the size of your Lizards I assume they would be quadrupedal?

[Santheres]

That is a bit silly. All you'd need to do is look back at Poland during the German Blitz in 1938. The Poles decided to do an old-fashioned cavalry charge into the armored spear head. Look who wound up losing.

That never happened btw.

Oh good, someone else got to it before I did. I didn't want to look for sources.

Edit: also any mention of genetically engineering horses for intelligence: pick a better animal. Horses are fantastically stupid.

[Sennai]

yeah, the Tr'lipeds are two legged with little frontal arms, the "medium" ones that run about Are lower down and four legged with big muscles and the last ground type is a large two legged T-rex sorta thing mebbe 12 or more feet high (generaly given platforms and mounted with lots of guns..if not used as a pack animal.)

my actual nation just uses proper Armoured warfare in FT but these guys dont have much of that sort of thing due to their circumstance.

[The Fedral Union]

The fact that we're trying to rationalize Calvary in a future tech setting throws out the book on that santh it was more an example honestly. And to be fair if I were doing it I'd choose to make my own hybrid species specially grown/bread for this job.

Two legs? That makes them rather unstable, I don't think they'd naturally be built to carry combat loads/ weapons in the first place. Let use your T rex example. You'd need to strap the weapon to its head... Unless it can crouch to expose the majority of its back and thus a good firing arc to frag who ever your fighting.


I'm going the other way mechanizing/replacing biological personnel with drones though

[Zebian Syndicate]

Yeah a few things though:
The caliber of the system your using, the amount of recoil it produces, room for the auto loading system (I assume it wouldn't be manually loaded). The weight of the entire weapon system and what impact on speed/ health of the animal it would have. And the size of your Lizards I assume they would be quadrupedal?

Yay, "new weapon stuff" time. (Insert unenthusiastic woo)

I'd think the caliber would vary depending upon the necessary mission ordinance. E.I. Kill every one but leave the place largely intact would need some nasty stuff like incendiaries or biologicals,...

Don't particularly feel like dealing with recoil, it's a pain in the ass~

Why shouldn't it be manually loaded? I personally say screw the unnecessary extra bit that isn't all that useful in the first place unless you're going for a turret.

I would have to be pessimistic about the weights though,... considering one must factor in the necessary junk for aiming and firing,... ammunition and maintenance (not to mention cooling and recoil). I'd conservatively put it at about half a ton, at worst. At best? I'm not that kind of person.
Now, considering we could be looking at a possibly genetically modified (or even simply bred) war beast, it would obviously be heavily adapted to service life. It would largely have to depend upon the breed though.
Now, I'd suggest something like a large and strong build but still relatively light weight creature compared to the possible max. Make it a six legger for added support and mobility, give it a few genetic enhancements or implants if you feel like it,...

It's a plausible tactic. Admitted, unconventional,... and maybe a whole lot ridiculous.
But that's the truth of war.


...

Frick. now I want one.

[Risen Britannia]

would BAE's "ADAPTIV" work in space?

"ADAPTIV works by using lightweight hexagonal pixels which are electrically powered by the vehicles systems. The pixels are individually heated and cooled using commercially available semi-conducting technology. The hand-sized pixels are made of metal, so that they can sustain physical impact and provide defence against enemy ordnance. The entire system has been designed with ease of use in mind, and the pixels are able to be easily and rapidly removed and replaced if damaged.

Once mounted on a vehicles hull or ballistic armour plates, ADAPTIV renders a vehicle invisible to infra-red and other surveillance technology"

[Zebian Syndicate]

My own cloak works similarly,... difference is, mine is optical and much smaller.
And subsequently more detailed and likely effective.

I suggest shrinking the pixels down drastically. (Honestly? I go down to the millions per square inch.) Although the system complexity will skyrocket (which shouldn't be a problem) it will remain much more effective in the face of damage, errors, and what have you. Simply because if one breaks, it's not quite as noticeable.
I could go on about arguing the benefits of decreasing their size, but it seems I've forgotten the vast majority of e'm.

[Sennai]

Thanks guy's, just allows me to hammer out some dents in the whole thign for these dudes

[Zebian Syndicate]

Tis' a pleasure to help.
Now, be a good chap and drop me a line when they see action. I've got a bunch of possible suggestions, but it's hard to get a grasp on them and put them into words.

[The Fedral Union]

You would need hands to load it , that means a person has to walk with the beast, witch defeats the whole reason behind a swift moving mount that has a remote controlled weapon system and brain chip. Sitting on it like a mount wouldn't be any good because I assume your going with a system larger than modern day crew fed mortars in witch case your blocking a firing arc for the thing to shoot rendering the system ineffective and costing valuable engagement time because the rider needs to get off. Not to mention you need a place to store ammo. Hell lets go a step more and say the system can fire on the move due to stabilization systems specifically made for the unit, you wouldn't be able to with someone sitting on the back of your hypothetical creature.

[Otagia]

It's a plausible tactic. Admitted, unconventional,... and maybe a whole lot ridiculous.

Not really. The overpressure from any reasonably powerful gun would kill whatever poor critter you strapped it to. There's a reason that Uhlans in WW2 operated as Dragoons or Lancers instead of just firing those anti-tank rifles from horseback.

And as someone who's around both an awful lot, it's also a hell of a lot cheaper and easier to care for an armored car or bike than it is a horse or other large animal.