Argument Thread OOC Future Tech Only

[Ularn]

Also, are we talking about regular criminals here or Prisoners of War? Because for some reason I've got the latter stuck in my head.

[The Fedral Union]

Violent criminals, slavers, Serial rapist, genocidal people.. Serial killers ectera.

[Ularn]

Violent criminals, slavers, Serial rapist, genocidal people.. Serial killers ectera.

Well in that case, I'd say no to stasis for the reasons mentioned above. Either you're effectively switching them off for the duration of their sentence, in which case they experience nothing and wake up as though no time has passed and only have to adjust to how the world's changed in their absence,* or they're still functional while in stasis, in which case you have to pay for their upkeep, maintenance and medical attention so they don't starve. The expense in this case is likely to be higher than simply locking them up and putting them to forced labour.

*Some people might not even consider this a punishment. Hyrum Graff in the Enderverse novels did it voluntarily to prolong his natural life and allow him to oversee the centuries-spanning human colonisation efforts. Of course, he hit a snag when the other directors decided to sack him while he was still in stasis. If you're not bothered by leaving your life behind, it may appear as a popular way to see what the universe looks like long after you should be dead - hardly a punishment.

EDIT: And oh my god I just discovered the film adaptation of Ender's Game has finally got out of development hell and is due for release in 2013. SQUEEEEEE!

EDIT2: And the cast looks phenomenal!

[Sen]

Why do you need the planetoids for this?

A massive statite perhaps??

Statites are awesome.

*Sen has a proper dyson bubble going in the home system, with a band cut out around the equator so that the planets still get light*

[Ularn]

A massive statite perhaps??

Statites are awesome.

*Sen has a proper dyson bubble going in the home system, with a band cut out around the equator so that the planets still get light*

That would be really cool to see from a planet's surface; the sun just a thin sliver of light in the sky. How you you feel about people visiting the Senestrum (I assume you're calling it that) system?

[The Fedral Union]

Sen should host a conference.

[Genomita]

Indeed he should.

Here's a question: What do you think of mind uploading and body surfing, Eclipse Phase-style?

Eclipse Phase is a very good Transhuman Horror RPG by the way. i highly recomend it.

[The Akasha Colony]

Indeed he should.

Here's a question: What do you think of mind uploading and body surfing, Eclipse Phase-style?

Eclipse Phase is a very good Transhuman Horror RPG by the way. i highly recomend it.

She, rather than he.

And do you mean from an RP perspective, or a realistic perspective?

[Sen]

Statites are awesome.

*Sen has a proper dyson bubble going in the home system, with a band cut out around the equator so that the planets still get light*

That would be really cool to see from a planet's surface; the sun just a thin sliver of light in the sky. How you you feel about people visiting the Senestrum (I assume you're calling it that) system?

Actually, you should be able to see the entirety of Sen*. The bubble has a radius of ~ 0.1 AU and, minus the equatorial band, has a coverage of ~95%, which makes the height of that band just about the same as the diameter of the star. What you will be able to see is a couple of bright slivers, centered on the poles and extending out seventeen and a half times the diameter of the star, which are the reflected light from the far side of the interior of the bubble. Now, they'd be a lot fainter than the star itself, but I'd bet they'd be visible. It would look something like this:



The bubble itself would only be visible at all in the twilight, when the sun is far enough under the horizon for the stars to be visible (and be noticeably blocked by the bubble) without being so far gone that the bubble itself is under the horizon.

*Senestrum is the planet, Sen is the star.

[Ularn]

That would be really cool to see from a planet's surface; the sun just a thin sliver of light in the sky. How you you feel about people visiting the Senestrum (I assume you're calling it that) system?

Actually, you should be able to see the entirety of Sen*. The bubble has a radius of ~ 0.1 AU and, minus the equatorial band, has a coverage of ~95%, which makes the height of that band just about the same as the diameter of the star. What you will be able to see is a couple of bright slivers, centered on the poles and extending out seventeen and a half times the diameter of the star, which are the reflected light from the far side of the interior of the bubble. Now, they'd be a lot fainter than the star itself, but I'd bet they'd be visible. It would look something like this:



The bubble itself would only be visible at all in the twilight, when the sun is far enough under the horizon for the stars to be visible (and be noticeably blocked by the bubble) without being so far gone that the bubble itself is under the horizon.

*Senestrum is the planet, Sen is the star.

I would still love to put some characters on Senestrum and have them get all up in awe and shit

Also, that drawing could make a decent flag...

[Sen]

It would certainly be interesting, especially the part where it sinks in that holy shit they have FTL and your ship/fleet gets mobbed by every ship in the system.

[Ularn]

It would certainly be interesting, especially the part where it sinks in that holy shit they have FTL and your ship/fleet gets mobbed by every ship in the system.

Aaaaaand now Sen has a travel advisory sticker telling ships from the UIF to make sure their wormhole termini open well outside the system boundaries and that any journeys to the system itself are done in non-FTL capable shuttle craft or something.

[SquareDisc City]

The slit-of-starlight view might be appropriate in some other circumstances. If you Dysoned a quite luminous star, and wanted to use a planet comparatively close to it, then it could bring the temperature down quite naturally.

[Ularn]

So Sen's little doodle inspired me to design a flag for some reason:

Sorry I couldn't be bothered going more complex than MSPaint

[OMGeverynameistaken]

So Sen's little doodle inspired me to design a flag for some reason:
(Image)
Sorry I couldn't be bothered going more complex than MSPaint

FT version of the eye of Sauron?

[The Akasha Colony]

So Sen's little doodle inspired me to design a flag for some reason:
(Image)
Sorry I couldn't be bothered going more complex than MSPaint

FT version of the eye of Sauron?

The Eye of Senestrum?

[Ularn]

So Sen's little doodle inspired me to design a flag for some reason:
(Image)
Sorry I couldn't be bothered going more complex than MSPaint

FT version of the eye of Sauron?

Was meant to be a Dyson Bubble cut in half - but that works as well!

[Thrashia]

*Sen has a proper dyson bubble going in the home system, with a band cut out around the equator so that the planets still get light*

Then that's not a dyson sphere, or even a "bubble" by definition...

[SquareDisc City]

Yes it is. Read Wikipedia's Dyson Sphere article. The solid shell is just one variant, most popular in sci-fi but arguably least practical.

[Thrashia]

Yes it is. Read Wikipedia's Dyson Sphere article. The solid shell is just one variant, most popular in sci-fi but arguably least practical.

Based on Sen's description, it's not a Dyson Bubble either. It's just a Dyson Sphere that had a band cut through the middle...which then causes it to cease being a full Dyson sphere.

[Sen]

It fits the definition of a dyson bubble perfectly: it is an array of statites arranged around a star. Of course, the array consists of only two statites, each of which collects almost half the light of the star, but it still a dyson bubble. It's pretty light too; only 3 quadrillion tonnes or so, which could easily be grabbed from a large asteroid. Well, sort of, the bulk of it (carbon for the nanotubes and metallic elements for the nantenna) would be readily available but various other components (eg, computational substrate, supercondicting power lines) would likely require relatively scarce trace elements in rather fantastic quantities.

[Thrashia]

It fits the definition of a dyson bubble perfectly: it is an array of statites arranged around a star. Of course, the array consists of only two statites, each of which collects almost half the light of the star, but it still a dyson bubble. It's pretty light too; only 3 quadrillion tonnes or so, which could easily be grabbed from a large asteroid. Well, sort of, the bulk of it (carbon for the nanotubes and metallic elements for the nantenna) would be readily available but various other components (eg, computational substrate, supercondicting power lines) would likely require relatively scarce trace elements in rather fantastic quantities.

=/=

*Sen has a proper dyson bubble going in the home system, with a band cut out around the equator so that the planets still get light*

All I'm trying to point out.

[Bajireyn]

Violent criminals, slavers, Serial rapist, genocidal people.. Serial killers ectera.

Well in that case, I'd say no to stasis for the reasons mentioned above. Either you're effectively switching them off for the duration of their sentence, in which case they experience nothing and wake up as though no time has passed and only have to adjust to how the world's changed in their absence,* or they're still functional while in stasis, in which case you have to pay for their upkeep, maintenance and medical attention so they don't starve. The expense in this case is likely to be higher than simply locking them up and putting them to forced labour.

*Some people might not even consider this a punishment. Hyrum Graff in the Enderverse novels did it voluntarily to prolong his natural life and allow him to oversee the centuries-spanning human colonisation efforts. Of course, he hit a snag when the other directors decided to sack him while he was still in stasis. If you're not bothered by leaving your life behind, it may appear as a popular way to see what the universe looks like long after you should be dead - hardly a punishment.

EDIT: And oh my god I just discovered the film adaptation of Ender's Game has finally got out of development hell and is due for release in 2013. SQUEEEEEE!

EDIT2: And the cast looks phenomenal!

Link?

[Zebian Syndicate]

Actually, bridging the slit between the two hemispheres would simply leave it with a few really big gaps, and itty bitty connection between them.
And once again, it becomes a proper Shell.

Yay engineering technicalities!!!

[YellowApple]

Coming from a quitter... completely and totally true.

That's what I figured, at least for a person not smoking that much (<10 a day). If you're a heavy smoker properly addicted then perhaps having a prosthetic wouldn't change much (or maybe make you smoke more to compensate) but if you're only a casual smoker for the buzz/relaxation factor then losing that would take away any incentive to keep smoking. At least, that's my take from being on ~5 a day.

There is no buzz factor, though, at least not nearly as significantly as the factor of your brain freaking out when you haven't had your nicotine fix. The best way to nuke a nicotine addiction nanorobotically is to tweak the brain to experience nicotine-related pleasure without actually receiving nicotine. Or just traumatize the fuck out of the smokers to scare them into never smoking again (which is what it took for me to convince my mom to stop smoking; I had to convince her that a major clot in her lung was caused by her smoking - thus convincing her to stop - even though the clot was actually caused by her being bedridden after a massive fracture to her leg).