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Balrogga
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Postby Balrogga » Tue Nov 08, 2011 7:14 pm

To make it fair to other players you need to be the approximate size or power. Diminishing your own Power for the sake of the story is needed or others will not RP with you because like I said, a fleet of a million ships sent on a whim is too overpowering for just about anyone and people will not take you seriously.

The best bet is ti fill your background with the culture your "original nation" had but your remnant wishes it still had access to. You could send a few ships along for the ride but there should be an IC reason for you to not be able to send thousands along, perhaps the disconnected FTL method or some other background event which isolated your colony so it can be fair to others.
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Postby Bristain and Ireland » Tue Nov 08, 2011 7:16 pm

This is dis-encouraging me from even converting Laurasia to FT, because nothing will work the way which I would wish for it work. I have sought for some possibility that would allow me to roleplay a massive empire from another galaxy that yet can participate fully in Milky Way affairs. But that will not happen.
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Originally the Empire of Royal Calathonia: have be on this game since August 29, 2010: Using the Empire of Laurasia as a subsidary nation

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Postby Sertian » Tue Nov 08, 2011 7:18 pm

Well, he COULD have a million ship fleet so long as that million ship fleet was made of tissue paper and fired telly tubbies as missiles. :P

After all, who says the galaxy wide spanning Empire needs to be technologically advanced? Throw the rule book out and be a decadent Empire which hasn't advanced technologically in thousands of years!

But then again, that would be better suited for a Russian or Chinese styled Empire. :P
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Postby Bristain and Ireland » Tue Nov 08, 2011 7:27 pm

Sertian wrote:Well, he COULD have a million ship fleet so long as that million ship fleet was made of tissue paper and fired telly tubbies as missiles. :P

After all, who says the galaxy wide spanning Empire needs to be technologically advanced? Throw the rule book out and be a decadent Empire which hasn't advanced technologically in thousands of years!

But then again, that would be better suited for a Russian or Chinese styled Empire. :P


Then maybe Laurasia should have an fleet of 200,000 major vessels and about 400,000 supporting vessels. That would mean just 600,000 ships total. That should be much more reasonable. Or perhaps I should reduce it further? Make the fleet even smaller?
United Kingdom of Great Bristain and Ireland
King: William V
Prime Minister: Sir Edward Hildebrand
Population:
Game set population-almost 1,000,000,000
Roleplay population-489,000,000
Originally the Empire of Royal Calathonia: have be on this game since August 29, 2010: Using the Empire of Laurasia as a subsidary nation

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Postby Balrogga » Tue Nov 08, 2011 7:35 pm

As a player, your total power would equal others. This means your million-ship fleet would be the same strength as another players 1000 ship fleet. It would be unfair to other players if you came into the game with galactic-shattering swarms that cannot be beaten because of sheer size alone.

If someone did that to you then you would not play with them, right?

What would you play with? Make that as your nation but you can by all means include whatever you wish into the back-story of your nation. The key is to moderate yourself to make the game fun for everyone, not just yourself.
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Postby Bristain and Ireland » Tue Nov 08, 2011 7:38 pm

You now what? Forget it. I'm not going to waste time on this. I think I am going to abandon my ideas.
United Kingdom of Great Bristain and Ireland
King: William V
Prime Minister: Sir Edward Hildebrand
Population:
Game set population-almost 1,000,000,000
Roleplay population-489,000,000
Originally the Empire of Royal Calathonia: have be on this game since August 29, 2010: Using the Empire of Laurasia as a subsidary nation

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Postby Balrogga » Tue Nov 08, 2011 7:44 pm

Don't do that, just make something other people can play with without being completely obliterated by your sheer numbers.
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Postby Sertian » Tue Nov 08, 2011 7:46 pm

Another idea is more of a peaceful Galactic Empire. Think of a Galaxy that was unified in peace several thousand years ago and abandoned any use for a military besides discouraging the rare piracy and helping in disaster situations (think of the UN Peace Core!). So it'll make sense for their military to be completely underequiped and unarmed when they stumble across the Milky Way Galaxy. The first war with that colony would be spectacular. "Are you sure you don't want to talk about it..? Please!?"
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Postby OMGeverynameistaken » Tue Nov 08, 2011 7:46 pm

Well, MT has similar conventions, you know. I haven't played MT in a looooooooooooong time, but from what little I've glanced at, most people still seem to follow the "your NS game population = your IC population" rule. You can't just pop into MT and claim to have a continent-spanning doompire. You have to start small.

In FT, we're not quite so strict, but some conventions still apply. You can have whatever population you want short of 'infinity', but the actual POWER of your state is derived from the OOC respect you gain via good RPing. The more you prove yourself to be a good RPer and the better name you make for yourself, the more power people will be willing to accord you. It's not about making friends or buddying up to the people in NSlegion, although that can help certainly, but about good writing and the reputation you make for yourself.

I don't know the state of MT politics and suchlike, but if you're worried that somebody is going to come along and smash your country in your intro post, please discard such misconceptions now. FT is generally based on consensus, nobody is going to smash your country and utterly defeat you unless you either do something remarkably stupid or unless you ask them to. It's generally pretty forgiving.

You should also consider the scale of the NSFT scene. Most people don't have more than a few major systems. You can still have a giant empire, or even an extra-galactic one.

If you want to be an extra-galactic power with a huge empire, my suggestion would be that that would be fine. Just play said extra-galactic empire as being in conflict with another extra-galactic empire. Your empire could come to the Milky Way looking for trade, mercenaries, allies, whatever. Somebody else might even jump in as your opposition, which could lead to some interesting roleplays.
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Postby Bristain and Ireland » Tue Nov 08, 2011 7:49 pm

I see..well I will wait for now, then I might enter Laurasia in FT.
United Kingdom of Great Bristain and Ireland
King: William V
Prime Minister: Sir Edward Hildebrand
Population:
Game set population-almost 1,000,000,000
Roleplay population-489,000,000
Originally the Empire of Royal Calathonia: have be on this game since August 29, 2010: Using the Empire of Laurasia as a subsidary nation

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Postby Balrogga » Tue Nov 08, 2011 8:20 pm

Thank you for at least reconsidering leaving. We all need to stick together to write good stories and that is what it is all about.
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I had to read that post a couple times to make sure there was not something brilliant burried under all that stupidity...
The quiet foe is the one you need to pay heed, not the loudmouth attracting all the attention.

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Postby Thrashia » Tue Nov 08, 2011 9:02 pm

Sertian wrote:Another idea is more of a peaceful Galactic Empire. Think of a Galaxy that was unified in peace several thousand years ago and abandoned any use for a military besides discouraging the rare piracy and helping in disaster situations (think of the UN Peace Core!). So it'll make sense for their military to be completely underequiped and unarmed when they stumble across the Milky Way Galaxy. The first war with that colony would be spectacular. "Are you sure you don't want to talk about it..? Please!?"


Uh...you mean the Old Republic?
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Postby Sertian » Tue Nov 08, 2011 9:13 pm

Thrashia wrote:
Sertian wrote:Another idea is more of a peaceful Galactic Empire. Think of a Galaxy that was unified in peace several thousand years ago and abandoned any use for a military besides discouraging the rare piracy and helping in disaster situations (think of the UN Peace Core!). So it'll make sense for their military to be completely underequiped and unarmed when they stumble across the Milky Way Galaxy. The first war with that colony would be spectacular. "Are you sure you don't want to talk about it..? Please!?"


Uh...you mean the Old Republic?


Except without a Jedi task force!

And I remember the Old Republic having quite the military, at least from the ending of KotOR I.
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Postby Thrashia » Tue Nov 08, 2011 9:23 pm

Sertian wrote:
Thrashia wrote:
Uh...you mean the Old Republic?


Except without a Jedi task force!

And I remember the Old Republic having quite the military, at least from the ending of KotOR I.


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Postby Thrashia » Tue Nov 08, 2011 9:35 pm

Bristain and Ireland wrote:I see..well I will wait for now, then I might enter Laurasia in FT.


What we're trying to explain in as clear and kind language is we can, is what every new player in FT has had to learn either by experience or by advice like you are presently getting. In order to be an FT player with what I will call "actual FT giant empire power" as opposed to "false FT giant empire power" there are steps you have to take. If you, as you have alluded to, want to come onto the FT stage for the first time (as a small player with under a couple billion population on your NS nation page) with this giant, galaxy-spanning Empire with massive armies and fleets...no one is going to take you seriously. Start out small, with the colony idea we've proposed or something else more creative you come up with, and then you work your way up to the level you are currently desiring.

Me for example? I was originally an MT nation until I realized how much more fun FT was. So I spent four RL months doing a thread where I started a massive construction program for colony vessels, a few FT destroyers, and blatantly copied the Titan Project to create my own planet in the midst of space. A single solar system is what I started out with. From there I expanded my strength and power by allying with other great powers and alliances of the time, gaining more rp experience and friends (as well as enemies) amongst the community. And now I am a fairly decent empire that has territory in the MWG and the SWG. Granted, my experience took me the better part of five years...but don't let that dissuade you.

FT politics can best be described as power politics or realpolitik. Hence why we tend to discourage many newer and veteran players who over-reach themselves either through innocent desire for awesomeness (which is you) or those who blatantly try to abuse the system (names will not be mentioned).

I hope you choose to continue and that you will not run away! We need more FT rp'ers.
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Postby Ularn » Wed Nov 09, 2011 2:20 am

So on a totally unrelated note; I made my embassy thread (see sig). Any suggestions on how to give it a bit more FT flavour rather than just a bog-standard embassy thread IN SPACE?

Also, feel free to sign up :)
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Postby Bristain and Ireland » Sat Nov 12, 2011 11:53 am

Thrashia wrote:
Bristain and Ireland wrote:I see..well I will wait for now, then I might enter Laurasia in FT.


What we're trying to explain in as clear and kind language is we can, is what every new player in FT has had to learn either by experience or by advice like you are presently getting. In order to be an FT player with what I will call "actual FT giant empire power" as opposed to "false FT giant empire power" there are steps you have to take. If you, as you have alluded to, want to come onto the FT stage for the first time (as a small player with under a couple billion population on your NS nation page) with this giant, galaxy-spanning Empire with massive armies and fleets...no one is going to take you seriously. Start out small, with the colony idea we've proposed or something else more creative you come up with, and then you work your way up to the level you are currently desiring.

Me for example? I was originally an MT nation until I realized how much more fun FT was. So I spent four RL months doing a thread where I started a massive construction program for colony vessels, a few FT destroyers, and blatantly copied the Titan Project to create my own planet in the midst of space. A single solar system is what I started out with. From there I expanded my strength and power by allying with other great powers and alliances of the time, gaining more rp experience and friends (as well as enemies) amongst the community. And now I am a fairly decent empire that has territory in the MWG and the SWG. Granted, my experience took me the better part of five years...but don't let that dissuade you.

FT politics can best be described as power politics or realpolitik. Hence why we tend to discourage many newer and veteran players who over-reach themselves either through innocent desire for awesomeness (which is you) or those who blatantly try to abuse the system (names will not be mentioned).

I hope you choose to continue and that you will not run away! We need more FT rp'ers.


But I don't want to waste years, maybe even decades, slowly building my nation. It would take up so much time that I would lose any interest. I might as well remain in MT for now, for Laurasia, and then make an attempt to enter.
United Kingdom of Great Bristain and Ireland
King: William V
Prime Minister: Sir Edward Hildebrand
Population:
Game set population-almost 1,000,000,000
Roleplay population-489,000,000
Originally the Empire of Royal Calathonia: have be on this game since August 29, 2010: Using the Empire of Laurasia as a subsidary nation

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Postby Neo Miranda » Sat Nov 12, 2011 11:57 am

I'm new at FT, how much population is enough population, same goes for military, what % of my pop should be destined to my military forces
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Postby Thrashia » Sat Nov 12, 2011 11:58 am

Bristain and Ireland wrote:
But I don't want to waste years, maybe even decades, slowly building my nation. It would take up so much time that I would lose any interest. I might as well remain in MT for now, for Laurasia, and then make an attempt to enter.


It really depends on your writing skills as much as your length of time here on the forums. If you prove to be a good writer and are willing to work with other players OOCly and be a good sport, then people will automatically give you a fairer portion of largesse to which you may apply to creating a larger Empire.

Imho, MT sucks. It's all number crunching and no story; but that's just me.
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Postby Bristain and Ireland » Sat Nov 12, 2011 12:04 pm

Thrashia wrote:
Bristain and Ireland wrote:
But I don't want to waste years, maybe even decades, slowly building my nation. It would take up so much time that I would lose any interest. I might as well remain in MT for now, for Laurasia, and then make an attempt to enter.


It really depends on your writing skills as much as your length of time here on the forums. If you prove to be a good writer and are willing to work with other players OOCly and be a good sport, then people will automatically give you a fairer portion of largesse to which you may apply to creating a larger Empire.

Imho, MT sucks. It's all number crunching and no story; but that's just me.


Alright then.....I just keep on flipping back and forth between doing FT and not doing it...but anyways, I am writing about Laurasia off-site, and when writing an article about it, what fields should I describe?
United Kingdom of Great Bristain and Ireland
King: William V
Prime Minister: Sir Edward Hildebrand
Population:
Game set population-almost 1,000,000,000
Roleplay population-489,000,000
Originally the Empire of Royal Calathonia: have be on this game since August 29, 2010: Using the Empire of Laurasia as a subsidary nation

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Postby Thrashia » Sat Nov 12, 2011 12:08 pm

Neo Miranda wrote:I'm new at FT, how much population is enough population, same goes for military, what % of my pop should be destined to my military forces


Always use your NS nation page for the percentage of your population in using your military. Like the 5% rule that most people stick to for their nations. In FT, your civilian population can largely be as big as you want it to be, so long as you roleplay it as accurately as possible. Having 4 trillion people and only a few worlds for them to live on might be stretching it a bit concerning food supply, etc, so just try to be realistic in those terms.

Like me, I keep my FT military under 5%, but my civilian population is in the tens of billions.
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Postby Thrashia » Sat Nov 12, 2011 12:10 pm

Bristain and Ireland wrote:
Alright then.....I just keep on flipping back and forth between doing FT and not doing it...but anyways, I am writing about Laurasia off-site, and when writing an article about it, what fields should I describe?


I'm not sure that I understand what you mean by "fields" but I would suggest looking at various FT player's factbooks to get a feel for how they describe their nation and maybe looking into some of the major FT RPs to get a feel for the style of FT rp. That is the best advice I can give on that subject. It's a very open ended realm that you've wandered into here.
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Postby Bristain and Ireland » Sat Nov 12, 2011 12:15 pm

Thrashia wrote:
Bristain and Ireland wrote:
Alright then.....I just keep on flipping back and forth between doing FT and not doing it...but anyways, I am writing about Laurasia off-site, and when writing an article about it, what fields should I describe?


I'm not sure that I understand what you mean by "fields" but I would suggest looking at various FT player's factbooks to get a feel for how they describe their nation and maybe looking into some of the major FT RPs to get a feel for the style of FT rp. That is the best advice I can give on that subject. It's a very open ended realm that you've wandered into here.


What I mean by fields is subjects, such as history, economy, things like that.
United Kingdom of Great Bristain and Ireland
King: William V
Prime Minister: Sir Edward Hildebrand
Population:
Game set population-almost 1,000,000,000
Roleplay population-489,000,000
Originally the Empire of Royal Calathonia: have be on this game since August 29, 2010: Using the Empire of Laurasia as a subsidary nation

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Postby Thrashia » Sat Nov 12, 2011 12:17 pm

Bristain and Ireland wrote:What I mean by fields is subjects, such as history, economy, things like that.


I would suggest looking at various FT player's factbooks to get a feel for how they describe their nation.
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Postby Bristain and Ireland » Sat Nov 12, 2011 12:20 pm

Thrashia wrote:
Bristain and Ireland wrote:What I mean by fields is subjects, such as history, economy, things like that.


I would suggest looking at various FT player's factbooks to get a feel for how they describe their nation.


Alright then.
United Kingdom of Great Bristain and Ireland
King: William V
Prime Minister: Sir Edward Hildebrand
Population:
Game set population-almost 1,000,000,000
Roleplay population-489,000,000
Originally the Empire of Royal Calathonia: have be on this game since August 29, 2010: Using the Empire of Laurasia as a subsidary nation

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