Advice Thread OOC Future Tech Only

[The Legion of War]

Pax Morporkia, eh?

When dragons belch and hippos flee


My thoughts, Ankh-Morpork, are of thee
Let others boast of martial dash
For we have boldly fought with cash
We own all your helmets, we own all your shoes.
We own all your generals - touch us and you'll lose.
Morporkia! Morporkia!
Morporkia owns the day!
We can rule you wholesale,
Touch us and you'll pay.

Absolutely.

"If you fight, we'll call in your mortgages. And incidentally that's my pike you're pointing at me. I paid for that shield you're holding. And take my helmet off when you speak to me, you horrible little debtor."

Just because I borrow a gun from you doesn't mean you can stop me from killing you by saying "that's MY gun". I could easily ignore it, kill you, and be on my way.

A nation that effectively crushes it's opposition could scare off any that oppose it.

"Did you see what happened to Joe when he demanded Bill pay him back?"

"Yeah, he got beat to a pulp! Ain't no way I'm asking Bill to pay me back what he owes me".

That scenario is fairly overexagerrated but you get my point (I hope, if I made it clear enough).

[Reliquary]

On Pacifism:
If you are dead set on an entirely pacifistic society, ignore the rest of this. If you want a mostly pacifistic society, here are my recommendations.

I'd recommend putting a twist on the Liir's (from Sword of the Stars) 'pacifism' and their Black Swimmers.
Basically, the society as a whole remains technically pacifistic by declaring those who join the military to be dead and requiring extreme psychological therapy and examination for soldiers to be allowed to reintegrate into civilian society. Allows you to retain the whole pacifistic never hurt a fly mentality on an individual and collective level, but lets the country still be able to defend itself against aggressors.

Or, you know, use robots.

[Milagro]

In order to be a pacifist, you need to not believe in violence under any circumstances. That rules out weaponry of any kind. If pirates are attacking you, so be it... Let them. As a pacifist, you will go to your grave knowing that you did no wrong and died with a clean conscience.

As far as being the good guys... This applies to you too, Milagro... Just because you are nice does not mean other people are. You need to prepare yourselves to role play the inevitable military assaults that your nations will suffer. If you aren't neutral pacifists, sign defense arrangements with nations willing to protect you. If that doesn't interest you, be ready to write about an occupation government. Have the doomsday scenario ready, like every player should, whether they are like you or not.

Reasonable nations will leave you guys alone, deal with you amicably and get along famously... But the galaxy is a dark and wondrous place. A dangerous place. A realm of horror and tragedy.

I probably should have worded myself better. Milagro is not very aggressive when it comes to foreign policy/relations. Milagro will be mostly peaceful have allies, and fight when necessary. Kinda like Canada.

We're ready to defend ourselves, see?

The military is oriented towards defence, so orbital defence platforms and planetary defences are in place. Milagros has a fleet to defend the planet and patrol the solar system as well. Milagronians have had the luxury of developing their nation in relative peace and quiet, so really the defences of the planet have been designed around what was known about their Earth's and counters to hypothetical situations (not the most ideal situation, but something is better than nothing).

[Mini Miehm]

Vaxon...

Let me stop you right there - I am not trying to be a bad guy or start a fight.
I am trying to stop someone from saying that this person has to leave II and go to p2tm to RP as his nation.
No, he doesn't.

He can RP a galactic empire. Fine. Few respectable RPers will interact with him. The hive of mediocrity that is the various "sub groups" does not fit the bill. Our advice and suggestions are always pertinent to tge larger communitynof FT-Prime. Anything having to do with NEAR, FAR, or anything similar to, related to, descended from, or associated with those groups is not pertinent to discussions in this thread. I am not sure what part of this repeated message is so difficult for you and others to comprehend.

[The Alwon]

I was thinking of having Stasis "tools" to slow down aggressors so I can escape when push comes to shove.

Plus I was thinking of focusing a lot on shields and armor.

[The Legion of War]

On Morality, and the "Moral High Ground"

Translating that into Galactic Standard... What he is saying is that your moral outlook is based on your upbringing, the culture you grew up in and what you, as an individual have come to understand. Your political and economic structures are in no way a measuring stick of anything.

An example of differing morality in alien society in media would be the Reapers from Mass Effect... Believing that turning sentient species into paste after an allotted time period was a good thing and morally justified.

This. So much. Morality differs from culture to culture, so between alien civilization that is most likely going to be the case.

Hell, maybe the invaders on the "Moral High Ground", depending on who you ask. Not everyone has the same sense of morality, and this will hold true with nations with vastly different background even more so.

In my (limited) experience on NSFT you find: reasonable nations, corrupt nations, bad nations, evil nations, and maybe a relatively good nation. I've yet to see a nation that acts like a paragon and goes out of its way to aid a nation it barely knows, for the sole reason of defending a helpless nation.

[The Legion of War]

Let me stop you right there - I am not trying to be a bad guy or start a fight.
I am trying to stop someone from saying that this person has to leave II and go to p2tm to RP as his nation.
No, he doesn't.

He can RP a galactic empire. Fine. Few respectable RPers will interact with him. The hive of mediocrity that is the various "sub groups" does not fit the bill. Our advice and suggestions are always pertinent to tge larger communitynof FT-Prime. Anything having to do with NEAR, FAR, or anything similar to, related to, descended from, or associated with those groups is not pertinent to discussions in this thread. I am not sure what part of this repeated message is so difficult for you and others to comprehend.

Because, apparently, this thread is for ALL of FT.

Which is insane because the advice given here is based off FT-Prime standards (at least this is what I've understood of the endless arguments). If other groups/forums have different standards, then why bother asking for advice here? Advice based off a different standard may or may not hold true in a group with different standards.

The only exception to that I can think of is tech. Tech based questions are reasonable, no matter the RPing standard. At least in my opinion.

[Themiclesia]

He can RP a galactic empire. Fine. Few respectable RPers will interact with him. The hive of mediocrity that is the various "sub groups" does not fit the bill. Our advice and suggestions are always pertinent to tge larger communitynof FT-Prime. Anything having to do with NEAR, FAR, or anything similar to, related to, descended from, or associated with those groups is not pertinent to discussions in this thread. I am not sure what part of this repeated message is so difficult for you and others to comprehend.

Because, apparently, this thread is for ALL of FT.

Which is insane because the advice given here is based off FT-Prime standards (at least this is what I've understood of the endless arguments). If other groups/forums have different standards, then why bother asking for advice here? Advice based off a different standard may or may not hold true in a group with different standards.

The only exception to that I can think of is tech. Tech based questions are reasonable, no matter the RPing standard. At least in my opinion.

The limitation of the scope of this thread, to wit to FT Prime, should be mentioned in the OP, if it indeed is the purpose of this thread.

No standard besides those found in the OP can be enforced by moderators, notwithstanding those found in the rules thread, of course.

[-The Unified Earth Governments-]

Let me stop you right there - I am not trying to be a bad guy or start a fight.
I am trying to stop someone from saying that this person has to leave II and go to p2tm to RP as his nation.
No, he doesn't.

He can RP a galactic empire. Fine. Few respectable RPers will interact with him. The hive of mediocrity that is the various "sub groups" does not fit the bill. Our advice and suggestions are always pertinent to tge larger communitynof FT-Prime. Anything having to do with NEAR, FAR, or anything similar to, related to, descended from, or associated with those groups is not pertinent to discussions in this thread. I am not sure what part of this repeated message is so difficult for you and others to comprehend.

Because its not, this is an advice thread for all who seek advice.

You don't need to me Prime, you don't need to be anything, doing so is a limit placed on everyone, and it is not in the spirit of RP.

Its not hard to comprehend that, this advice can help people regardless of how they RP.

I like to cherry pick from a small pool, and RP with people I know, more so here than anything, but I did not do anything for my factbook, or consider going right ahead with anything tech wise, without first asking this thread to get the answers.

So no, it is hard to comprehend, because your not the type of person new guys should take advice from, negativity is not what makes a great mentor to new nations, if you wish to advice someone, don't put them down and make them seem inferior to you, hubris is not a gift but a curse.

And no, I'm not going to respond to you because labeled foe, I just wanted to make this point across, I care not if you think less of me for ignoring you again after responding to you, though I will concede that it is rather rude.

[Mini Miehm]

Because, apparently, this thread is for ALL of FT.

Which is insane because the advice given here is based off FT-Prime standards (at least this is what I've understood of the endless arguments). If other groups/forums have different standards, then why bother asking for advice here? Advice based off a different standard may or may not hold true in a group with different standards.

The only exception to that I can think of is tech. Tech based questions are reasonable, no matter the RPing standard. At least in my opinion.

The limitation of the scope of this thread, to wit to FT Prime, should be mentioned in the OP, if it indeed is the purpose of this thread.

No standard besides those found in the OP can be enforced by moderators, notwithstanding those found in the rules thread, of course.

OP is largely inactive. No such edit is likely to occur. However, this thread predates everything BUT FT-Prime,and was intended at the time it was created to serve the needs of the general FT community, to whit, FT-Prime at present.

[-The Unified Earth Governments-]

Because, apparently, this thread is for ALL of FT.

Which is insane because the advice given here is based off FT-Prime standards (at least this is what I've understood of the endless arguments). If other groups/forums have different standards, then why bother asking for advice here? Advice based off a different standard may or may not hold true in a group with different standards.

The only exception to that I can think of is tech. Tech based questions are reasonable, no matter the RPing standard. At least in my opinion.

The limitation of the scope of this thread, to wit to FT Prime, should be mentioned in the OP, if it indeed is the purpose of this thread.

No standard besides those found in the OP can be enforced by moderators, notwithstanding those found in the rules thread, of course.

This, if you guys just want people who RP Prime in here, change the OP, then you won't have to deal with us.

[Avenio]

Just because I borrow a gun from you doesn't mean you can stop me from killing you by saying "that's MY gun". I could easily ignore it, kill you, and be on my way.

A nation that effectively crushes it's opposition could scare off any that oppose it.

"Did you see what happened to Joe when he demanded Bill pay him back?"

"Yeah, he got beat to a pulp! Ain't no way I'm asking Bill to pay me back what he owes me".

That scenario is fairly overexagerrated but you get my point (I hope, if I made it clear enough).

You seem to have missed the fact that that statement was supposed to be humorous and thus not taken literally.

Regardless, the point absolutely still stands. Soft power is nothing to be sneezed at, and the ability to manipulate financial assets can be just as powerful as the threat of or actual use of force, in the right hands.

[Mini Miehm]

He can RP a galactic empire. Fine. Few respectable RPers will interact with him. The hive of mediocrity that is the various "sub groups" does not fit the bill. Our advice and suggestions are always pertinent to tge larger communitynof FT-Prime. Anything having to do with NEAR, FAR, or anything similar to, related to, descended from, or associated with those groups is not pertinent to discussions in this thread. I am not sure what part of this repeated message is so difficult for you and others to comprehend.

Because its not, this is an advice thread for all who seek advice.

You don't need to me Prime, you don't need to be anything, doing so is a limit placed on everyone, and it is not in the spirit of RP.

Its not hard to comprehend that, this advice can help people regardless of how they RP.

I like to cherry pick from a small pool, and RP with people I know, more so here than anything, but I did not do anything for my factbook, or consider going right ahead with anything tech wise, without first asking this thread to get the answers.

So no, it is hard to comprehend, because your not the type of person new guys should take advice from, negativity is not what makes a great mentor to new nations, if you wish to advice someone, don't put them down and make them seem inferior to you, hubris is not a gift but a curse.

And no, I'm not going to respond to you because labeled foe, I just wanted to make this point across, I care not if you think less of me for ignoring you again after responding to you, though I will concede that it is rather rude.

Would you like me to get a Roleplay Mentor to repeat it for you then? I'm sure we have one that would be willing to copy paste it somewhere.

[Themiclesia]

The limitation of the scope of this thread, to wit to FT Prime, should be mentioned in the OP, if it indeed is the purpose of this thread.

No standard besides those found in the OP can be enforced by moderators, notwithstanding those found in the rules thread, of course.

OP is largely inactive. No such edit is likely to occur. However, this thread predates everything BUT FT-Prime,and was intended at the time it was created to serve the needs of the general FT community, to whit, FT-Prime at present.

[Estainia]

It's amusing how a few of you explicitly not FT-Primers come here with the explicit reason of rising the tempers of those FT-Primers who give the advice, just so you can argue with them how you are not and will never be FT-Prime and that somehow makes you markedly superior to us, somehow.

[The Legion of War]

He can RP a galactic empire. Fine. Few respectable RPers will interact with him. The hive of mediocrity that is the various "sub groups" does not fit the bill. Our advice and suggestions are always pertinent to tge larger communitynof FT-Prime. Anything having to do with NEAR, FAR, or anything similar to, related to, descended from, or associated with those groups is not pertinent to discussions in this thread. I am not sure what part of this repeated message is so difficult for you and others to comprehend.

Because its not, this is an advice thread for all who seek advice.

You don't need to me Prime, you don't need to be anything, doing so is a limit placed on everyone, and it is not in the spirit of RP.

Its not hard to comprehend that, this advice can help people regardless of how they RP.

I like to cherry pick from a small pool, and RP with people I know, more so here than anything, but I did not do anything for my factbook, or consider going right ahead with anything tech wise, without first asking this thread to get the answers.

So no, it is hard to comprehend, because your not the type of person new guys should take advice from, negativity is not what makes a great mentor to new nations, if you wish to advice someone, don't put them down and make them seem inferior to you, hubris is not a gift but a curse.

And no, I'm not going to respond to you because labeled foe, I just wanted to make this point across, I care not if you think less of me for ignoring you again after responding to you, though I will concede that it is rather rude.

UEG... Telling a dude that he might not get the best RPing experience because he has a galaxy spanning empire is not a put down. It's a cold hard fact.

Can he still have a good one? Sure, but it's less likely. From what I've heard, these types of nations tend to fall through quickly because all the RPs they get into are the same thing; "SUPER BIG ARMY VS SUPER BIG ARMY 2".

Now he's clearly put in a lot of effort into this, but I don't think it's ideal for an "interactive" nation. It's great if it's his own little universe, like a book or a game. However, when RPing with others it might not do so well in an interactive environment.

By no means is that a put down, but simple advice. "If you want to get the most out of RPing, our recommendation is that you avoid galaxy spanning empires" is probably the best way to put it.

Just because I borrow a gun from you doesn't mean you can stop me from killing you by saying "that's MY gun". I could easily ignore it, kill you, and be on my way.

A nation that effectively crushes it's opposition could scare off any that oppose it.

"Did you see what happened to Joe when he demanded Bill pay him back?"

"Yeah, he got beat to a pulp! Ain't no way I'm asking Bill to pay me back what he owes me".

That scenario is fairly overexagerrated but you get my point (I hope, if I made it clear enough).

You seem to have missed the fact that that statement was supposed to be humorous and thus not taken literally.

Regardless, the point absolutely still stands. Soft power is nothing to be sneezed at, and the ability to manipulate financial assets can be just as powerful as the threat of or actual use of force, in the right hands.

...I would miss a joke.

"Soft power" like that could halt a more reasonable nation, but if it's a nation determined to wipe you out... I don't think it will work. But that's just me.

The limitation of the scope of this thread, to wit to FT Prime, should be mentioned in the OP, if it indeed is the purpose of this thread.

No standard besides those found in the OP can be enforced by moderators, notwithstanding those found in the rules thread, of course.

This, if you guys just want people who RP Prime in here, change the OP, then you won't have to deal with us.

The concept of FT-Prime existed long before it was named FT-Prime.

I believe, at the time the thread was created, "FT" was generally accepted as the mainstream or what is known today as "FT-Prime".

[Mini Miehm]

OP is largely inactive. No such edit is likely to occur. However, this thread predates everything BUT FT-Prime,and was intended at the time it was created to serve the needs of the general FT community, to whit, FT-Prime at present.

So the place to seek non-Prime advice should therefore be elsewhere.

Such has been our position from the start.

Also, phone keypad. This is...fairly common for mistakes like that to creep in when I'm posting mobile.

[The Legion of War]

So the place to seek non-Prime advice should therefore be elsewhere.

Such has been our position from the start.

Also, phone keypad. This is...fairly common for mistakes like that to creep in when I'm posting mobile.

Questions seeking advice for groups like FAR or NEAR should probably be kept within those groups. It makes more sense.

If your group isn't active enough to even muster up a single reply, perhaps you should find a new group?

[-The Unified Earth Governments-]

Just because I borrow a gun from you doesn't mean you can stop me from killing you by saying "that's MY gun". I could easily ignore it, kill you, and be on my way.

A nation that effectively crushes it's opposition could scare off any that oppose it.

"Did you see what happened to Joe when he demanded Bill pay him back?"

"Yeah, he got beat to a pulp! Ain't no way I'm asking Bill to pay me back what he owes me".

That scenario is fairly overexagerrated but you get my point (I hope, if I made it clear enough).

You seem to have missed the fact that that statement was supposed to be humorous and thus not taken literally.

Regardless, the point absolutely still stands. Soft power is nothing to be sneezed at, and the ability to manipulate financial assets can be just as powerful as the threat of or actual use of force, in the right hands.

Waaaagh don't care, Waaaaagh don't give a shit.

OP is largely inactive. No such edit is likely to occur. However, this thread predates everything BUT FT-Prime,and was intended at the time it was created to serve the needs of the general FT community, to whit, FT-Prime at present.

So the place to seek non-Prime advice should therefore be elsewhere.

No because he is talking out of a dark deep crevice, I don't care if even every single nation but me is Prime, this can help a person regardless, and telling a person they can't get help here is in my eyes, is morally questionable, if not reprehensible...If I used that word right.

It's amusing how a few of you explicitly not FT-Primers come here with the explicit reason of rising the tempers of those FT-Primers who give the advice, just so you can argue with them how you are not and will never be FT-Prime and that somehow makes you markedly superior to us, somehow.

Otherwise pal, Someone who claims that this thread is for FT Prime only, and is willing to just say anyone else who isn't inferior, isn't the type of person who I want advice from.

Further more, nice strawman, we haven't made a claim of superiority at all, we have made as far as I myself go, claims that it is not right to push out those who need help.

So no, your wrong here, its pointless to try and be mad over something so trivial as to us standing up for what FT really is, everyone is in the community, not in one, or the other, and many outside Prime seek the help from this thread.

[-The Unified Earth Governments-]

Because its not, this is an advice thread for all who seek advice.

You don't need to me Prime, you don't need to be anything, doing so is a limit placed on everyone, and it is not in the spirit of RP.

Its not hard to comprehend that, this advice can help people regardless of how they RP.

I like to cherry pick from a small pool, and RP with people I know, more so here than anything, but I did not do anything for my factbook, or consider going right ahead with anything tech wise, without first asking this thread to get the answers.

So no, it is hard to comprehend, because your not the type of person new guys should take advice from, negativity is not what makes a great mentor to new nations, if you wish to advice someone, don't put them down and make them seem inferior to you, hubris is not a gift but a curse.

And no, I'm not going to respond to you because labeled foe, I just wanted to make this point across, I care not if you think less of me for ignoring you again after responding to you, though I will concede that it is rather rude.

Not a point of my argument.....

[SquareDisc City]

If someone comes here asking for advice about RPing in such-and-such an FT setting, that isn't mainstream NSFT, I'm sure most of us will be perfectly capable of giving useful answers. Some things are going to be quite setting-specific, but many are not. How does it benefit anyone to reply to such questions with "Not FT-Prime, bugger off"?

[Avenio]

"Soft power" like that could halt a more reasonable nation, but if it's a nation determined to wipe you out... I don't think it will work. But that's just me.

Again, it's really hard to invade a nation if you run out of money to pay your troops and fuel bills.

[SquareDisc City]

I was thinking of having Stasis "tools" to slow down aggressors so I can escape when push comes to shove.

Be careful with "stasis". It's quite liable to have unwanted side-effects. While I'm sure it can be RPed well, I've seen it used in an inconsistent and arbitrary fashion, stopping x but doing nothing to y as the person RPing it decides will "help them win".

[Themiclesia]

Such has been our position from the start.

Also, phone keypad. This is...fairly common for mistakes like that to creep in when I'm posting mobile.

Questions seeking advice for groups like FAR or NEAR should probably be kept within those groups. It makes more sense.

If your group isn't active enough to even muster up a single reply, perhaps you should find a new group?

My Argument Thread has worked wonders but it also has become a central point for advice which often has sidetracked the reason for the Thread.

As an experiment, I am starting a Thread to act as the central point for advice. New players can come here and ask questions and hopefully older or more experienced players can help them.

I do not want arguments here, take it to the Argument Thread.

Now, let us all play nice. Listen to the advice people give you and choose what you wish to keep.

This was the OP. Nowhere (other than its position in the II forum) does it say that advice herein given must be related to RP. They can relate to a nation's lore or canon as well; indeed, RPing is one aspect of NS, but nation-building is another, albeit being related. There is a general reservation/hesitation towards galactic or intergalactic nations, but that is on RP grounds only. There can perfectly legitimate nation building activity centred around an intergalactic power, and there can be amazing tales from such a tradition. Such a nation I own, and I operate on two sets of statistics -- one for nation-building and story writing, and one for RPing. I don't think there's an objection against that.

[-The Unified Earth Governments-]

If someone comes here asking for advice about RPing in such-and-such an FT setting, that isn't mainstream NSFT, I'm sure most of us will be perfectly capable of giving useful answers. Some things are going to be quite setting-specific, but many are not. How does it benefit anyone to reply to such questions with "Not FT-Prime, bugger off"?

Exactly, the first duty of giving advice, is to not ignore them, or to belittle them, it is to help them.