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by Auman » Thu Oct 31, 2013 9:43 am

by The Fedral Union » Thu Oct 31, 2013 10:05 am
Auman wrote:In order to be a pacifist, you need to not believe in violence under any circumstances. That rules out weaponry of any kind. If pirates are attacking you, so be it... Let them. As a pacifist, you will go to your grave knowing that you did no wrong and died with a clean conscience.
As far as being the good guys... This applies to you too, Milagro... Just because you are nice does not mean other people are. You need to prepare yourselves to role play the inevitable military assaults that your nations will suffer. If you aren't neutral pacifists, sign defense arrangements with nations willing to protect you. If that doesn't interest you, be ready to write about an occupation government. Have the doomsday scenario ready, like every player should, whether they are like you or not.
Reasonable nations will leave you guys alone, deal with you amicably and get along famously... But the galaxy is a dark and wondrous place. A dangerous place. A realm of horror and tragedy.

by Non-Aligned Worlds » Thu Oct 31, 2013 10:23 am

by Avenio » Thu Oct 31, 2013 10:35 am
Arthropoda Ingens wrote:They could and do, yes. Of course, getting said massive lakes can be difficult-ish - you need mountain ranges or snowy snow snow winters that trap precipitation and force it into a fitting basin. Works for the great lakes and the caspian sea, but there's not that many such locations. And where they are, the area is usually a little less dry than what you're imagining because, well... Shitton of water right next door, and the rivers that supply the lake are around there somewhere, too. Central Asia with the Caspian sea, the Aral sea and the Baikal lake is pretty close, though - yay steppe.Milagro wrote:Hm.... What I really want out of the geography of the planet is an really dry inside, like the drier parts of Mexico. I'm not too sure how to go about that. Could massive lakes also serve to regulate temperature?
I'd rather keep the landmasses to a minimum however. No landmasses at the poles though.

by Dreadful Sagittarius » Thu Oct 31, 2013 10:40 am
Non-Aligned Worlds wrote:Honestly if your a total pacifist and another nation attacks you, plenty of people would come to your aid. You have the moral high ground in that situation.

by The Fedral Union » Thu Oct 31, 2013 10:42 am
Dreadful Sagittarius wrote:Non-Aligned Worlds wrote:Honestly if your a total pacifist and another nation attacks you, plenty of people would come to your aid. You have the moral high ground in that situation.
Er...why? What could possibly be in it for the reinforcing nation? Unless they genocidally hate the attackers from their own previous encounters, the logical reason is expecting reimbursement; either money or resources. And if you don't pay, well, congratulations. You just exchanged one occupier for another.

by Non-Aligned Worlds » Thu Oct 31, 2013 10:43 am
Dreadful Sagittarius wrote:Non-Aligned Worlds wrote:Honestly if your a total pacifist and another nation attacks you, plenty of people would come to your aid. You have the moral high ground in that situation.
Er...why? What could possibly be in it for the reinforcing nation? Unless they genocidally hate the attackers from their own previous encounters, the logical reason is expecting reimbursement; either money or resources. And if you don't pay, well, congratulations. You just exchanged one occupier for another.

by Avenio » Thu Oct 31, 2013 10:47 am
Dreadful Sagittarius wrote:Non-Aligned Worlds wrote:Honestly if your a total pacifist and another nation attacks you, plenty of people would come to your aid. You have the moral high ground in that situation.
Er...why? What could possibly be in it for the reinforcing nation? Unless they genocidally hate the attackers from their own previous encounters, the logical reason is expecting reimbursement; either money or resources. And if you don't pay, well, congratulations. You just exchanged one occupier for another.

by Oppressorion » Thu Oct 31, 2013 10:53 am
Avenio wrote:Dreadful Sagittarius wrote:
Er...why? What could possibly be in it for the reinforcing nation? Unless they genocidally hate the attackers from their own previous encounters, the logical reason is expecting reimbursement; either money or resources. And if you don't pay, well, congratulations. You just exchanged one occupier for another.
Pacifism could be coupled with another strategy in order to deter invasion, like a massive pan-galactic banking sector.
Then, if they threaten to invade, you revoke their loans and let loose their creditors.

by Dreadful Sagittarius » Thu Oct 31, 2013 11:01 am
The Fedral Union wrote:Dreadful Sagittarius wrote:
Er...why? What could possibly be in it for the reinforcing nation? Unless they genocidally hate the attackers from their own previous encounters, the logical reason is expecting reimbursement; either money or resources. And if you don't pay, well, congratulations. You just exchanged one occupier for another.
Allies

by Non-Aligned Worlds » Thu Oct 31, 2013 11:22 am
Dreadful Sagittarius wrote:The Fedral Union wrote:
Allies
The basic assumption of LONAW's post seems to be that the 'people' helping you are doing so solely because you have 'the moral high ground', a moot point in anything other than an populist democracy.
The only way that would change is if, as you mention, that nation has allies.

by Auman » Thu Oct 31, 2013 11:26 am

by The Fedral Union » Thu Oct 31, 2013 11:29 am
Auman wrote:Large powers in the region encompassing this nation would have an interest in blunting the expansion of potential rivals to their hegemony. Auman would gladly come to the aid of a friendly and disarmed state... Because the alternative would mean exchanging a benign trading partner with an obviously aggressive threat to its power. Geopolitics and all that stuff.

by Interstellar America » Thu Oct 31, 2013 1:24 pm
Dreadful Sagittarius wrote:Non-Aligned Worlds wrote:Honestly if your a total pacifist and another nation attacks you, plenty of people would come to your aid. You have the moral high ground in that situation.
Er...why? What could possibly be in it for the reinforcing nation? Unless they genocidally hate the attackers from their own previous encounters, the logical reason is expecting reimbursement; either money or resources. And if you don't pay, well, congratulations. You just exchanged one occupier for another.

by Dreadful Sagittarius » Thu Oct 31, 2013 1:39 pm
Interstellar America wrote:Dreadful Sagittarius wrote:
Er...why? What could possibly be in it for the reinforcing nation? Unless they genocidally hate the attackers from their own previous encounters, the logical reason is expecting reimbursement; either money or resources. And if you don't pay, well, congratulations. You just exchanged one occupier for another.
Because democracy is necessary to have a sense of morality? Morality is something that while it may differ by culture and people and government, is largely universal. Hell, I'm little more than a military dictatorship running a ruse as a 'democracy' but I would still rush to the aid of a disarmed state simply because it's the right thing to do, and that should in the ideal world, be enough.

by Kyrusia » Thu Oct 31, 2013 1:50 pm
Interstellar America wrote:Dreadful Sagittarius wrote:
Er...why? What could possibly be in it for the reinforcing nation? Unless they genocidally hate the attackers from their own previous encounters, the logical reason is expecting reimbursement; either money or resources. And if you don't pay, well, congratulations. You just exchanged one occupier for another.
Because democracy is necessary to have a sense of morality? Morality is something that while it may differ by culture and people and government, is largely universal. Hell, I'm little more than a military dictatorship running a ruse as a 'democracy' but I would still rush to the aid of a disarmed state simply because it's the right thing to do, and that should in the ideal world, be enough.

by Auman » Thu Oct 31, 2013 1:59 pm

by Laurasia » Thu Oct 31, 2013 2:41 pm

by Dreadful Sagittarius » Thu Oct 31, 2013 2:46 pm
Laurasia wrote:Hello, I do have a question. I am the Galactic Empire of Laurasia, formerly the United Kingdom of Bristain and Ireland. As Bristain and Ireland, I originally posted some questions here, concerning my ambitions to enter the Future Teach realm of NationStates. My concept was of a galaxy-spanning empire (which I have developed at Creative Sci-Fi Wiki as the Laurasian Empire) which establishes a colony in the Milky Way Galaxy and makes contact with the powers of that galaxy. However, others said that I would not be considered a serious contender if I just suddenly appeared with a galactic-spanning empire. They then suggested that I either make that galaxy over which my empire rules extremely small, or that I have the colony in the Milky Way cut off from it wormhole of contact, so that it is roughly equal to the other nations of Future Tech. I have issues with this, and eventually dropped my ideas of a science fiction empire. However, I have decided to firmly embark on that course. I have labored over the past year and a half to develop my science fiction project, and it is still very much a work in progress. However, I am fearful that the work will still not be enough to cut it in the Future Tech of this website. Some of my work can be found here:
http://creativesci-fi.wikia.com/wiki/Laurasian_Empire
http://creativesci-fi.wikia.com/wiki/Ge ... 400-800_BH
http://creativesci-fi.wikia.com/wiki/Ge ... ia_Part_II (extremely outdated: the Early Laurasian Space Age is going to be heavily revised)
http://creativesci-fi.wikia.com/wiki/Pa ... f_Laurasia
http://creativesci-fi.wikia.com/wiki/Ge ... a,_Part_IV
http://creativesci-fi.wikia.com/wiki/Ge ... ia,_Part_V
http://creativesci-fi.wikia.com/wiki/Ge ... a,_Part_VI (in progress)
http://creativesci-fi.wikia.com/wiki/Ti ... ian_Galaxy (Tentative timeline to replace earlier parts of Part II of the General History)
Besides these, the Factbook entries for the Galactic Empire of Laurasia in the gameplay section of this website also derive from my work on Creative Sci-Fi Wiki.
My question centers around adapting all of my exhaustive and intensive work into a empire which could maintain the specifications that I have established, yet reasonably conduct relations with the powers already established in the Future Tech world of NationStates.

by Vaxon » Thu Oct 31, 2013 2:48 pm
Dreadful Sagittarius wrote:Laurasia wrote:Hello, I do have a question. I am the Galactic Empire of Laurasia, formerly the United Kingdom of Bristain and Ireland. As Bristain and Ireland, I originally posted some questions here, concerning my ambitions to enter the Future Teach realm of NationStates. My concept was of a galaxy-spanning empire (which I have developed at Creative Sci-Fi Wiki as the Laurasian Empire) which establishes a colony in the Milky Way Galaxy and makes contact with the powers of that galaxy. However, others said that I would not be considered a serious contender if I just suddenly appeared with a galactic-spanning empire. They then suggested that I either make that galaxy over which my empire rules extremely small, or that I have the colony in the Milky Way cut off from it wormhole of contact, so that it is roughly equal to the other nations of Future Tech. I have issues with this, and eventually dropped my ideas of a science fiction empire. However, I have decided to firmly embark on that course. I have labored over the past year and a half to develop my science fiction project, and it is still very much a work in progress. However, I am fearful that the work will still not be enough to cut it in the Future Tech of this website. Some of my work can be found here:
http://creativesci-fi.wikia.com/wiki/Laurasian_Empire
http://creativesci-fi.wikia.com/wiki/Ge ... 400-800_BH
http://creativesci-fi.wikia.com/wiki/Ge ... ia_Part_II (extremely outdated: the Early Laurasian Space Age is going to be heavily revised)
http://creativesci-fi.wikia.com/wiki/Pa ... f_Laurasia
http://creativesci-fi.wikia.com/wiki/Ge ... a,_Part_IV
http://creativesci-fi.wikia.com/wiki/Ge ... ia,_Part_V
http://creativesci-fi.wikia.com/wiki/Ge ... a,_Part_VI (in progress)
http://creativesci-fi.wikia.com/wiki/Ti ... ian_Galaxy (Tentative timeline to replace earlier parts of Part II of the General History)
Besides these, the Factbook entries for the Galactic Empire of Laurasia in the gameplay section of this website also derive from my work on Creative Sci-Fi Wiki.
My question centers around adapting all of my exhaustive and intensive work into a empire which could maintain the specifications that I have established, yet reasonably conduct relations with the powers already established in the Future Tech world of NationStates.
I know of two, count them, two players still active who have nations with their own galaxies. Both players use cut-off expeditionary forces, instead of having full contact with their own galaxy. Sorry, but in my opinion anyone who wants to have a galactic empire and use it in RP will not fit in with FT. PTTM might be a better fit.
Greater Mackonia wrote:"A car carrying a Communist a Capitalist and a Fascist breaks down, the Communist implores for the three to unite and push the car forward, though it may take significant time and misery. The Capitalist declares that the three should hire a taxi, though it will be costly and the taxi only has room for two. The Fascist gets in the car, sounds the horn and pretends the car is still moving."
-A Mack Saying.

by Laurasia » Thu Oct 31, 2013 2:50 pm
Dreadful Sagittarius wrote:Laurasia wrote:Hello, I do have a question. I am the Galactic Empire of Laurasia, formerly the United Kingdom of Bristain and Ireland. As Bristain and Ireland, I originally posted some questions here, concerning my ambitions to enter the Future Teach realm of NationStates. My concept was of a galaxy-spanning empire (which I have developed at Creative Sci-Fi Wiki as the Laurasian Empire) which establishes a colony in the Milky Way Galaxy and makes contact with the powers of that galaxy. However, others said that I would not be considered a serious contender if I just suddenly appeared with a galactic-spanning empire. They then suggested that I either make that galaxy over which my empire rules extremely small, or that I have the colony in the Milky Way cut off from it wormhole of contact, so that it is roughly equal to the other nations of Future Tech. I have issues with this, and eventually dropped my ideas of a science fiction empire. However, I have decided to firmly embark on that course. I have labored over the past year and a half to develop my science fiction project, and it is still very much a work in progress. However, I am fearful that the work will still not be enough to cut it in the Future Tech of this website. Some of my work can be found here:
http://creativesci-fi.wikia.com/wiki/Laurasian_Empire
http://creativesci-fi.wikia.com/wiki/Ge ... 400-800_BH
http://creativesci-fi.wikia.com/wiki/Ge ... ia_Part_II (extremely outdated: the Early Laurasian Space Age is going to be heavily revised)
http://creativesci-fi.wikia.com/wiki/Pa ... f_Laurasia
http://creativesci-fi.wikia.com/wiki/Ge ... a,_Part_IV
http://creativesci-fi.wikia.com/wiki/Ge ... ia,_Part_V
http://creativesci-fi.wikia.com/wiki/Ge ... a,_Part_VI (in progress)
http://creativesci-fi.wikia.com/wiki/Ti ... ian_Galaxy (Tentative timeline to replace earlier parts of Part II of the General History)
Besides these, the Factbook entries for the Galactic Empire of Laurasia in the gameplay section of this website also derive from my work on Creative Sci-Fi Wiki.
My question centers around adapting all of my exhaustive and intensive work into a empire which could maintain the specifications that I have established, yet reasonably conduct relations with the powers already established in the Future Tech world of NationStates.
I know of two, count them, two players still active who have nations with their own galaxies. Both players use cut-off expeditionary forces, instead of having full contact with their own galaxy. Sorry, but in my opinion anyone who wants to have a galactic empire and use it in RP will not fit in with FT. PTTM might be a better fit.

by Zepplin Manufacturers » Thu Oct 31, 2013 3:00 pm

by Vaxon » Thu Oct 31, 2013 3:03 pm
Zepplin Manufacturers wrote:Vaxon...
Greater Mackonia wrote:"A car carrying a Communist a Capitalist and a Fascist breaks down, the Communist implores for the three to unite and push the car forward, though it may take significant time and misery. The Capitalist declares that the three should hire a taxi, though it will be costly and the taxi only has room for two. The Fascist gets in the car, sounds the horn and pretends the car is still moving."
-A Mack Saying.

by -The Unified Earth Governments- » Thu Oct 31, 2013 3:22 pm
Auman wrote:In order to be a pacifist, you need to not believe in violence under any circumstances. That rules out weaponry of any kind. If pirates are attacking you, so be it... Let them. As a pacifist, you will go to your grave knowing that you did no wrong and died with a clean conscience.
As far as being the good guys... This applies to you too, Milagro... Just because you are nice does not mean other people are. You need to prepare yourselves to role play the inevitable military assaults that your nations will suffer. If you aren't neutral pacifists, sign defense arrangements with nations willing to protect you. If that doesn't interest you, be ready to write about an occupation government. Have the doomsday scenario ready, like every player should, whether they are like you or not.
Reasonable nations will leave you guys alone, deal with you amicably and get along famously... But the galaxy is a dark and wondrous place. A dangerous place. A realm of horror and tragedy.
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by Avenio » Thu Oct 31, 2013 3:29 pm
Oppressorion wrote:Avenio wrote:
Pacifism could be coupled with another strategy in order to deter invasion, like a massive pan-galactic banking sector.
Then, if they threaten to invade, you revoke their loans and let loose their creditors.
Pax Morporkia, eh?When dragons belch and hippos flee
My thoughts, Ankh-Morpork, are of thee
Let others boast of martial dash
For we have boldly fought with cash
We own all your helmets, we own all your shoes.
We own all your generals - touch us and you'll lose.
Morporkia! Morporkia!
Morporkia owns the day!
We can rule you wholesale,
Touch us and you'll pay.
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