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Postby Auman » Thu Oct 31, 2013 9:43 am

In order to be a pacifist, you need to not believe in violence under any circumstances. That rules out weaponry of any kind. If pirates are attacking you, so be it... Let them. As a pacifist, you will go to your grave knowing that you did no wrong and died with a clean conscience.

As far as being the good guys... This applies to you too, Milagro... Just because you are nice does not mean other people are. You need to prepare yourselves to role play the inevitable military assaults that your nations will suffer. If you aren't neutral pacifists, sign defense arrangements with nations willing to protect you. If that doesn't interest you, be ready to write about an occupation government. Have the doomsday scenario ready, like every player should, whether they are like you or not.

Reasonable nations will leave you guys alone, deal with you amicably and get along famously... But the galaxy is a dark and wondrous place. A dangerous place. A realm of horror and tragedy.
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Postby The Fedral Union » Thu Oct 31, 2013 10:05 am

Auman wrote:In order to be a pacifist, you need to not believe in violence under any circumstances. That rules out weaponry of any kind. If pirates are attacking you, so be it... Let them. As a pacifist, you will go to your grave knowing that you did no wrong and died with a clean conscience.

As far as being the good guys... This applies to you too, Milagro... Just because you are nice does not mean other people are. You need to prepare yourselves to role play the inevitable military assaults that your nations will suffer. If you aren't neutral pacifists, sign defense arrangements with nations willing to protect you. If that doesn't interest you, be ready to write about an occupation government. Have the doomsday scenario ready, like every player should, whether they are like you or not.

Reasonable nations will leave you guys alone, deal with you amicably and get along famously... But the galaxy is a dark and wondrous place. A dangerous place. A realm of horror and tragedy.



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Postby Non-Aligned Worlds » Thu Oct 31, 2013 10:23 am

Honestly if your a total pacifist and another nation attacks you, plenty of people would come to your aid. You have the moral high ground in that situation.
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Postby Avenio » Thu Oct 31, 2013 10:35 am

Arthropoda Ingens wrote:
Milagro wrote:Hm.... What I really want out of the geography of the planet is an really dry inside, like the drier parts of Mexico. I'm not too sure how to go about that. Could massive lakes also serve to regulate temperature?

I'd rather keep the landmasses to a minimum however. No landmasses at the poles though.
They could and do, yes. Of course, getting said massive lakes can be difficult-ish - you need mountain ranges or snowy snow snow winters that trap precipitation and force it into a fitting basin. Works for the great lakes and the caspian sea, but there's not that many such locations. And where they are, the area is usually a little less dry than what you're imagining because, well... Shitton of water right next door, and the rivers that supply the lake are around there somewhere, too. Central Asia with the Caspian sea, the Aral sea and the Baikal lake is pretty close, though - yay steppe.


One solution he/she could go for is to have the interior dry scrubland marked with a chain of big, old, eroded impact craters, like those commonly found on the surface of Mars - large, deep basins like that should allow for large enough lakes to provide local 'bubbles' of lake-effect temperature modulation whilst allowing for a comparative lack of large mountain chains to form them, since those sorts of basins would probably divert rivers away from reaching the sea and direct them instead to fill the basin.

Which, incidentally, might provide you an avenue to get the desert-like conditions you're looking for, albeit indirectly. A large impact in the relatively recent past, if you have a supercontinent located in the temperate zone, (ie in and around the equator) would drastically reduce the diversity and population sizes of most of the terrestrial organisms on the planet and probably contribute to continent-wide desertification in the following die-off due to the volcanic/meteoritic winter. Not to mention that 'weedy' super-generalist plants like those that live in scrublands are usually the first to rebound after disasters of that magnitude, most of the landscape in the interior of the continent would look like a desert, even if it wasn't climactically-suited to be a desert forever.

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Postby Dreadful Sagittarius » Thu Oct 31, 2013 10:40 am

Non-Aligned Worlds wrote:Honestly if your a total pacifist and another nation attacks you, plenty of people would come to your aid. You have the moral high ground in that situation.


Er...why? What could possibly be in it for the reinforcing nation? Unless they genocidally hate the attackers from their own previous encounters, the logical reason is expecting reimbursement; either money or resources. And if you don't pay, well, congratulations. You just exchanged one occupier for another.
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Postby The Fedral Union » Thu Oct 31, 2013 10:42 am

Dreadful Sagittarius wrote:
Non-Aligned Worlds wrote:Honestly if your a total pacifist and another nation attacks you, plenty of people would come to your aid. You have the moral high ground in that situation.


Er...why? What could possibly be in it for the reinforcing nation? Unless they genocidally hate the attackers from their own previous encounters, the logical reason is expecting reimbursement; either money or resources. And if you don't pay, well, congratulations. You just exchanged one occupier for another.


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Dreadful Sagittarius wrote:
Non-Aligned Worlds wrote:Honestly if your a total pacifist and another nation attacks you, plenty of people would come to your aid. You have the moral high ground in that situation.


Er...why? What could possibly be in it for the reinforcing nation? Unless they genocidally hate the attackers from their own previous encounters, the logical reason is expecting reimbursement; either money or resources. And if you don't pay, well, congratulations. You just exchanged one occupier for another.


I think some nations would come to a harmless peoples aid. Not everything is about money.
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Postby Avenio » Thu Oct 31, 2013 10:47 am

Dreadful Sagittarius wrote:
Non-Aligned Worlds wrote:Honestly if your a total pacifist and another nation attacks you, plenty of people would come to your aid. You have the moral high ground in that situation.


Er...why? What could possibly be in it for the reinforcing nation? Unless they genocidally hate the attackers from their own previous encounters, the logical reason is expecting reimbursement; either money or resources. And if you don't pay, well, congratulations. You just exchanged one occupier for another.


Pacifism could be coupled with another strategy in order to deter invasion, like a massive pan-galactic banking sector.

Then, if they threaten to invade, you revoke their loans and let loose their creditors.

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Postby Oppressorion » Thu Oct 31, 2013 10:53 am

Avenio wrote:
Dreadful Sagittarius wrote:
Er...why? What could possibly be in it for the reinforcing nation? Unless they genocidally hate the attackers from their own previous encounters, the logical reason is expecting reimbursement; either money or resources. And if you don't pay, well, congratulations. You just exchanged one occupier for another.


Pacifism could be coupled with another strategy in order to deter invasion, like a massive pan-galactic banking sector.

Then, if they threaten to invade, you revoke their loans and let loose their creditors.

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Postby Dreadful Sagittarius » Thu Oct 31, 2013 11:01 am

The Fedral Union wrote:
Dreadful Sagittarius wrote:
Er...why? What could possibly be in it for the reinforcing nation? Unless they genocidally hate the attackers from their own previous encounters, the logical reason is expecting reimbursement; either money or resources. And if you don't pay, well, congratulations. You just exchanged one occupier for another.


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The basic assumption of LONAW's post seems to be that the 'people' helping you are doing so solely because you have 'the moral high ground', a moot point in anything other than an populist democracy.

The only way that would change is if, as you mention, that nation has allies.
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Postby Non-Aligned Worlds » Thu Oct 31, 2013 11:22 am

Dreadful Sagittarius wrote:
The Fedral Union wrote:
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The basic assumption of LONAW's post seems to be that the 'people' helping you are doing so solely because you have 'the moral high ground', a moot point in anything other than an populist democracy.

The only way that would change is if, as you mention, that nation has allies.


Nah, call some people for help. I guarantee a few nations will come to your aid.
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Postby Auman » Thu Oct 31, 2013 11:26 am

Large powers in the region encompassing this nation would have an interest in blunting the expansion of potential rivals to their hegemony. Auman would gladly come to the aid of a friendly and disarmed state... Because the alternative would mean exchanging a benign trading partner with an obviously aggressive threat to its power. Geopolitics and all that stuff.
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Postby The Fedral Union » Thu Oct 31, 2013 11:29 am

Auman wrote:Large powers in the region encompassing this nation would have an interest in blunting the expansion of potential rivals to their hegemony. Auman would gladly come to the aid of a friendly and disarmed state... Because the alternative would mean exchanging a benign trading partner with an obviously aggressive threat to its power. Geopolitics and all that stuff.


Ditto, it also gives you influence, in local affairs not that it'd be used in an imperialists way.
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Postby Interstellar America » Thu Oct 31, 2013 1:24 pm

Dreadful Sagittarius wrote:
Non-Aligned Worlds wrote:Honestly if your a total pacifist and another nation attacks you, plenty of people would come to your aid. You have the moral high ground in that situation.


Er...why? What could possibly be in it for the reinforcing nation? Unless they genocidally hate the attackers from their own previous encounters, the logical reason is expecting reimbursement; either money or resources. And if you don't pay, well, congratulations. You just exchanged one occupier for another.


Because democracy is necessary to have a sense of morality? Morality is something that while it may differ by culture and people and government, is largely universal. Hell, I'm little more than a military dictatorship running a ruse as a 'democracy' but I would still rush to the aid of a disarmed state simply because it's the right thing to do, and that should in the ideal world, be enough.
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Postby Dreadful Sagittarius » Thu Oct 31, 2013 1:39 pm

Interstellar America wrote:
Dreadful Sagittarius wrote:
Er...why? What could possibly be in it for the reinforcing nation? Unless they genocidally hate the attackers from their own previous encounters, the logical reason is expecting reimbursement; either money or resources. And if you don't pay, well, congratulations. You just exchanged one occupier for another.


Because democracy is necessary to have a sense of morality? Morality is something that while it may differ by culture and people and government, is largely universal. Hell, I'm little more than a military dictatorship running a ruse as a 'democracy' but I would still rush to the aid of a disarmed state simply because it's the right thing to do, and that should in the ideal world, be enough.


I specified a populist democracy; I.e., one where the population has real power in elections, like holding a new election should their leader do/not do something that the majority think would be a good idea. In context, let's say that the Chancellor of the Galactic Nonesuchworlds is asked by a known, but unallied pacifist nation to help them stop being exterminated by another power. Let's then say that he/she refuses. The population is pissed and sign a petition, it's signed until they reach the threshold for passing, and the Chancellor is forced to step down while new people are elected. (In this case, an interventionist)

Let's take my Polyarchy; A democracy, but layered where a district votes for someone who votes for someone who votes for the people at the top. Same situation, known but unallied pacifists ask for help stopping invaders. Now they've got two choices; intervene, with only the hope of compensation for the lives of lost people, or sit back and just let the refugees (should any survive) pass through on their way to shelter.

Also, I think we're all placing too much emphasis on morality. Who's to say in FT someone's morality is the same as anothers? By the Polyarchy's standards, they're the most moral people in the known universe, and everyone else can't be trusted.
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Postby Kyrusia » Thu Oct 31, 2013 1:50 pm

Interstellar America wrote:
Dreadful Sagittarius wrote:
Er...why? What could possibly be in it for the reinforcing nation? Unless they genocidally hate the attackers from their own previous encounters, the logical reason is expecting reimbursement; either money or resources. And if you don't pay, well, congratulations. You just exchanged one occupier for another.


Because democracy is necessary to have a sense of morality? Morality is something that while it may differ by culture and people and government, is largely universal. Hell, I'm little more than a military dictatorship running a ruse as a 'democracy' but I would still rush to the aid of a disarmed state simply because it's the right thing to do, and that should in the ideal world, be enough.


...No.

"Morality" is, for one, a human concept; for two, any semblance of a "xeno-" or "alien morality" could - and, more importantly, likely would - be vastly different from our own.

Human morality and ethics are, largely, based on at least one of three things: 1) Our personal, psychological perspective; 2) A given philosophical or spiritual ontology, perhaps predicated on tradition or self-actualization of perspective; and 3) a more dogmatic interpretation of perspective and form, more likely due to a religious slant or a "social tradition" and reward/punishment basis for perspective.

The first is largely an "Ego-driven" morality based on the treatment of our own person (the Self and Being) and/or the treatment and perspective of the Other. One could call this a "humanistic morality", without getting too much into the discourse of this. More or less, it's a morality based on the best treatment of you, the best treatment of others, or both; a "Golden Rule"/"Non-Aggression" morality. The second is likely, as well, based on a "Golden Rule" situation - in all likelihood with a spiritual or Third Perspective basis; eg. "Good works = Success, happiness, fulfillment, etc." One might equate this to a "Unitarian spiritualism" to even a form of "progressive spiritual humanism". One can find this sort of perceptive basis for morality in Unitarianism, many Eastern religions, and various new religious movements, not to mention many late Enlightenment philosophies and, of course, the classics such as Epicurus (altruistic hedonism) and some of the neo-Platonists. The third, though, is what many normally think of when they hear "morality": religious or, in the least, "dogma-based" morality where "good" and "evil" are either pre-existant forms (God, Devil; Pleroma, Demiurge; etc.) or are a consequence of erring from dogma. It's a very reward-and-punishment based morality; eg. "Good works = Reward; bad works = punishment". This is different from the second basis of morality because, unlike the second, more universalist perspective, this form does not mean "good works" need be performed for the fulfillment and enrichment of yourself, others, the world, etc., but because if you don't do them and don't adhere to them, bad things happen.

This has - with very, very broad generalization - formed much of the basis of human moral perspective. Human life is valuable because: "I am valuable"; "it is inherently valuable"; "God said human life is valuable".

Extraterrestrial and, more generally, non-human societies and civilizations may not, in any form, have these forms or basis of morality or ethics. In fact, their ethics may be entirely contradictory or, amazingly, alien to our own. To say "democracy is necessary to have a sense of morality" not only completely erases the concept of other forms of governmental execution and philosophy, but also intrinsically erases the concept that one can be "alien" and still be "good". It is narrow and, simply put, a very, very poor presupposition from which to exacerbate and argue-for in the realm of creativity and roleplaying.

In science-fiction, by benefit of the genre, you are very much likely to run across societies that, for one, are not democratic or even antagonistic to democratic principles but, still, from their perspective, are morally just. Even amongst human civilizations in science-fiction (not to mention in reality), democracy might not equal moral justice and "rightness". By working from the perspective that "democracy = good exclusively", you're limiting yourself creatively and without reason.

I would heavily advise against cornering yourself in any way based on philosophical presuppositions or due to reality-based beliefs. This is fiction; personal philosophy need not apply to the execution of In-Character civilizations, societies, etc. Especially because FT - the science-fiction setting itself - is far from an ideal world, what with planet-consuming spider-gods, rampant starvation in the largest of empires, god-knows how much slavery and genocide, and various other horrific things which make it far from "ideal".
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Postby Auman » Thu Oct 31, 2013 1:59 pm

Translating that into Galactic Standard... What he is saying is that your moral outlook is based on your upbringing, the culture you grew up in and what you, as an individual have come to understand. Your political and economic structures are in no way a measuring stick of anything.

An example of differing morality in alien society in media would be the Reapers from Mass Effect... Believing that turning sentient species into paste after an allotted time period was a good thing and morally justified.
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Postby Laurasia » Thu Oct 31, 2013 2:41 pm

Hello, I do have a question. I am the Galactic Empire of Laurasia, formerly the United Kingdom of Bristain and Ireland. As Bristain and Ireland, I originally posted some questions here, concerning my ambitions to enter the Future Teach realm of NationStates. My concept was of a galaxy-spanning empire (which I have developed at Creative Sci-Fi Wiki as the Laurasian Empire) which establishes a colony in the Milky Way Galaxy and makes contact with the powers of that galaxy. However, others said that I would not be considered a serious contender if I just suddenly appeared with a galactic-spanning empire. They then suggested that I either make that galaxy over which my empire rules extremely small, or that I have the colony in the Milky Way cut off from it wormhole of contact, so that it is roughly equal to the other nations of Future Tech. I have issues with this, and eventually dropped my ideas of a science fiction empire. However, I have decided to firmly embark on that course. I have labored over the past year and a half to develop my science fiction project, and it is still very much a work in progress. However, I am fearful that the work will still not be enough to cut it in the Future Tech of this website. Some of my work can be found here:

http://creativesci-fi.wikia.com/wiki/Laurasian_Empire

http://creativesci-fi.wikia.com/wiki/Ge ... 400-800_BH

http://creativesci-fi.wikia.com/wiki/Ge ... ia_Part_II (extremely outdated: the Early Laurasian Space Age is going to be heavily revised)

http://creativesci-fi.wikia.com/wiki/Pa ... f_Laurasia

http://creativesci-fi.wikia.com/wiki/Ge ... a,_Part_IV

http://creativesci-fi.wikia.com/wiki/Ge ... ia,_Part_V

http://creativesci-fi.wikia.com/wiki/Ge ... a,_Part_VI (in progress)

http://creativesci-fi.wikia.com/wiki/Ti ... ian_Galaxy (Tentative timeline to replace earlier parts of Part II of the General History)

Besides these, the Factbook entries for the Galactic Empire of Laurasia in the gameplay section of this website also derive from my work on Creative Sci-Fi Wiki.

My question centers around adapting all of my exhaustive and intensive work into a empire which could maintain the specifications that I have established, yet reasonably conduct relations with the powers already established in the Future Tech world of NationStates.
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Postby Dreadful Sagittarius » Thu Oct 31, 2013 2:46 pm

Laurasia wrote:Hello, I do have a question. I am the Galactic Empire of Laurasia, formerly the United Kingdom of Bristain and Ireland. As Bristain and Ireland, I originally posted some questions here, concerning my ambitions to enter the Future Teach realm of NationStates. My concept was of a galaxy-spanning empire (which I have developed at Creative Sci-Fi Wiki as the Laurasian Empire) which establishes a colony in the Milky Way Galaxy and makes contact with the powers of that galaxy. However, others said that I would not be considered a serious contender if I just suddenly appeared with a galactic-spanning empire. They then suggested that I either make that galaxy over which my empire rules extremely small, or that I have the colony in the Milky Way cut off from it wormhole of contact, so that it is roughly equal to the other nations of Future Tech. I have issues with this, and eventually dropped my ideas of a science fiction empire. However, I have decided to firmly embark on that course. I have labored over the past year and a half to develop my science fiction project, and it is still very much a work in progress. However, I am fearful that the work will still not be enough to cut it in the Future Tech of this website. Some of my work can be found here:

http://creativesci-fi.wikia.com/wiki/Laurasian_Empire

http://creativesci-fi.wikia.com/wiki/Ge ... 400-800_BH

http://creativesci-fi.wikia.com/wiki/Ge ... ia_Part_II (extremely outdated: the Early Laurasian Space Age is going to be heavily revised)

http://creativesci-fi.wikia.com/wiki/Pa ... f_Laurasia

http://creativesci-fi.wikia.com/wiki/Ge ... a,_Part_IV

http://creativesci-fi.wikia.com/wiki/Ge ... ia,_Part_V

http://creativesci-fi.wikia.com/wiki/Ge ... a,_Part_VI (in progress)

http://creativesci-fi.wikia.com/wiki/Ti ... ian_Galaxy (Tentative timeline to replace earlier parts of Part II of the General History)

Besides these, the Factbook entries for the Galactic Empire of Laurasia in the gameplay section of this website also derive from my work on Creative Sci-Fi Wiki.

My question centers around adapting all of my exhaustive and intensive work into a empire which could maintain the specifications that I have established, yet reasonably conduct relations with the powers already established in the Future Tech world of NationStates.


I know of two, count them, two players still active who have nations with their own galaxies. Both players use cut-off expeditionary forces, instead of having full contact with their own galaxy. Sorry, but in my opinion anyone who wants to have a galactic empire and use it in RP will not fit in with FT. PTTM might be a better fit.
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Postby Vaxon » Thu Oct 31, 2013 2:48 pm

Dreadful Sagittarius wrote:
Laurasia wrote:Hello, I do have a question. I am the Galactic Empire of Laurasia, formerly the United Kingdom of Bristain and Ireland. As Bristain and Ireland, I originally posted some questions here, concerning my ambitions to enter the Future Teach realm of NationStates. My concept was of a galaxy-spanning empire (which I have developed at Creative Sci-Fi Wiki as the Laurasian Empire) which establishes a colony in the Milky Way Galaxy and makes contact with the powers of that galaxy. However, others said that I would not be considered a serious contender if I just suddenly appeared with a galactic-spanning empire. They then suggested that I either make that galaxy over which my empire rules extremely small, or that I have the colony in the Milky Way cut off from it wormhole of contact, so that it is roughly equal to the other nations of Future Tech. I have issues with this, and eventually dropped my ideas of a science fiction empire. However, I have decided to firmly embark on that course. I have labored over the past year and a half to develop my science fiction project, and it is still very much a work in progress. However, I am fearful that the work will still not be enough to cut it in the Future Tech of this website. Some of my work can be found here:

http://creativesci-fi.wikia.com/wiki/Laurasian_Empire

http://creativesci-fi.wikia.com/wiki/Ge ... 400-800_BH

http://creativesci-fi.wikia.com/wiki/Ge ... ia_Part_II (extremely outdated: the Early Laurasian Space Age is going to be heavily revised)

http://creativesci-fi.wikia.com/wiki/Pa ... f_Laurasia

http://creativesci-fi.wikia.com/wiki/Ge ... a,_Part_IV

http://creativesci-fi.wikia.com/wiki/Ge ... ia,_Part_V

http://creativesci-fi.wikia.com/wiki/Ge ... a,_Part_VI (in progress)

http://creativesci-fi.wikia.com/wiki/Ti ... ian_Galaxy (Tentative timeline to replace earlier parts of Part II of the General History)

Besides these, the Factbook entries for the Galactic Empire of Laurasia in the gameplay section of this website also derive from my work on Creative Sci-Fi Wiki.

My question centers around adapting all of my exhaustive and intensive work into a empire which could maintain the specifications that I have established, yet reasonably conduct relations with the powers already established in the Future Tech world of NationStates.


I know of two, count them, two players still active who have nations with their own galaxies. Both players use cut-off expeditionary forces, instead of having full contact with their own galaxy. Sorry, but in my opinion anyone who wants to have a galactic empire and use it in RP will not fit in with FT. PTTM might be a better fit.


Two Players? I know one player who is extra-universal/from another universe. Not sure if he owns it or not.
I own my own universe, as well as three and a half galaxies in this one. And it's II, not P2TM.
P2TM is for non-canon, fake things that are Non-NS related. II is for anything and everything to do with your nation, especially if it's Canon.
Greetings, If you're reading this, YOU ARE A STALKER!
Now, in all seriousness, I am an American Male.
Greater Mackonia wrote:"A car carrying a Communist a Capitalist and a Fascist breaks down, the Communist implores for the three to unite and push the car forward, though it may take significant time and misery. The Capitalist declares that the three should hire a taxi, though it will be costly and the taxi only has room for two. The Fascist gets in the car, sounds the horn and pretends the car is still moving."

-A Mack Saying.

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Laurasia
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Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Laurasia » Thu Oct 31, 2013 2:50 pm

Dreadful Sagittarius wrote:
Laurasia wrote:Hello, I do have a question. I am the Galactic Empire of Laurasia, formerly the United Kingdom of Bristain and Ireland. As Bristain and Ireland, I originally posted some questions here, concerning my ambitions to enter the Future Teach realm of NationStates. My concept was of a galaxy-spanning empire (which I have developed at Creative Sci-Fi Wiki as the Laurasian Empire) which establishes a colony in the Milky Way Galaxy and makes contact with the powers of that galaxy. However, others said that I would not be considered a serious contender if I just suddenly appeared with a galactic-spanning empire. They then suggested that I either make that galaxy over which my empire rules extremely small, or that I have the colony in the Milky Way cut off from it wormhole of contact, so that it is roughly equal to the other nations of Future Tech. I have issues with this, and eventually dropped my ideas of a science fiction empire. However, I have decided to firmly embark on that course. I have labored over the past year and a half to develop my science fiction project, and it is still very much a work in progress. However, I am fearful that the work will still not be enough to cut it in the Future Tech of this website. Some of my work can be found here:

http://creativesci-fi.wikia.com/wiki/Laurasian_Empire

http://creativesci-fi.wikia.com/wiki/Ge ... 400-800_BH

http://creativesci-fi.wikia.com/wiki/Ge ... ia_Part_II (extremely outdated: the Early Laurasian Space Age is going to be heavily revised)

http://creativesci-fi.wikia.com/wiki/Pa ... f_Laurasia

http://creativesci-fi.wikia.com/wiki/Ge ... a,_Part_IV

http://creativesci-fi.wikia.com/wiki/Ge ... ia,_Part_V

http://creativesci-fi.wikia.com/wiki/Ge ... a,_Part_VI (in progress)

http://creativesci-fi.wikia.com/wiki/Ti ... ian_Galaxy (Tentative timeline to replace earlier parts of Part II of the General History)

Besides these, the Factbook entries for the Galactic Empire of Laurasia in the gameplay section of this website also derive from my work on Creative Sci-Fi Wiki.

My question centers around adapting all of my exhaustive and intensive work into a empire which could maintain the specifications that I have established, yet reasonably conduct relations with the powers already established in the Future Tech world of NationStates.


I know of two, count them, two players still active who have nations with their own galaxies. Both players use cut-off expeditionary forces, instead of having full contact with their own galaxy. Sorry, but in my opinion anyone who wants to have a galactic empire and use it in RP will not fit in with FT. PTTM might be a better fit.


What does PTTM represent?
The Galactic Empire of Laurasia
Emperor: Lysimachus II
FT nation (or at least trying)
Originally the nations of Royal Calathonia and Bristain & Ireland: on this game since August 29, 2010

Factbook: http://fiction.wikia.com/wiki/Laurasian_Empire

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Zepplin Manufacturers
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Ex-Nation

Postby Zepplin Manufacturers » Thu Oct 31, 2013 3:00 pm

Vaxon ..shush you do not help the matter.

Laurasia you are to be very commended for the very in depth setting you have written, it shows large amounts of drive and interest in detail and energy investment it seems to be set as an external setting for multiple others to operate in rather than to interact with.

Unfortunately while you have written a huge amount you have created a veritable mountainous data dump of reference content suitable for setting up your own source book for an RP setting you have not actually created said source book or fact book index level material and the data dump would require any players in your settings to invest an unrealistic amount of time reading your entire wiki before entering your cultural milieu.

I would suggest you try and write and edit a public article version of this in a source book fashion rather than this almost unmanageable wiki (whos lack of subdivision and article control is painful, not even specifically useful for internal reference given the lack of indexing points within articles) and as you RP those internal reference points will become more and more important as you bounce between chars and viewpoints if you get in depth enough and you certainly seem to have the energy to do so.
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Vaxon
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Ex-Nation

Postby Vaxon » Thu Oct 31, 2013 3:03 pm

Zepplin Manufacturers wrote:Vaxon...


Let me stop you right there - I am not trying to be a bad guy or start a fight.
I am trying to stop someone from saying that this person has to leave II and go to p2tm to RP as his nation.
No, he doesn't.
Greetings, If you're reading this, YOU ARE A STALKER!
Now, in all seriousness, I am an American Male.
Greater Mackonia wrote:"A car carrying a Communist a Capitalist and a Fascist breaks down, the Communist implores for the three to unite and push the car forward, though it may take significant time and misery. The Capitalist declares that the three should hire a taxi, though it will be costly and the taxi only has room for two. The Fascist gets in the car, sounds the horn and pretends the car is still moving."

-A Mack Saying.

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-The Unified Earth Governments-
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Ex-Nation

Postby -The Unified Earth Governments- » Thu Oct 31, 2013 3:22 pm

Auman wrote:In order to be a pacifist, you need to not believe in violence under any circumstances. That rules out weaponry of any kind. If pirates are attacking you, so be it... Let them. As a pacifist, you will go to your grave knowing that you did no wrong and died with a clean conscience.

As far as being the good guys... This applies to you too, Milagro... Just because you are nice does not mean other people are. You need to prepare yourselves to role play the inevitable military assaults that your nations will suffer. If you aren't neutral pacifists, sign defense arrangements with nations willing to protect you. If that doesn't interest you, be ready to write about an occupation government. Have the doomsday scenario ready, like every player should, whether they are like you or not.

Reasonable nations will leave you guys alone, deal with you amicably and get along famously... But the galaxy is a dark and wondrous place. A dangerous place. A realm of horror and tragedy.


If their tools have no harm upon someone, then it isn't really violence if you ask me.

behavior involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something.
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Ex-Nation

Postby Avenio » Thu Oct 31, 2013 3:29 pm

Oppressorion wrote:
Avenio wrote:
Pacifism could be coupled with another strategy in order to deter invasion, like a massive pan-galactic banking sector.

Then, if they threaten to invade, you revoke their loans and let loose their creditors.

Pax Morporkia, eh?
When dragons belch and hippos flee


My thoughts, Ankh-Morpork, are of thee
Let others boast of martial dash
For we have boldly fought with cash
We own all your helmets, we own all your shoes.
We own all your generals - touch us and you'll lose.
Morporkia! Morporkia!
Morporkia owns the day!
We can rule you wholesale,
Touch us and you'll pay.


Absolutely.

"If you fight, we'll call in your mortgages. And incidentally that's my pike you're pointing at me. I paid for that shield you're holding. And take my helmet off when you speak to me, you horrible little debtor."

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