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by Milagro » Wed Oct 30, 2013 6:12 pm

by Santheres » Wed Oct 30, 2013 6:15 pm

by Themiclesia » Wed Oct 30, 2013 6:17 pm
The Akasha Colony wrote:Vaxon wrote:
Bad Idea. Multiple small militaries that govern themselves tend to be a bad idea.
My advice - have one big military, a joint one, from all of your colonies and owned planets. Take about 3% of each planet's population and throw it into your military. When you're done, depending on the territory and size you are, you'd end up with 5-10% of your population being in the military. More or less.
Small regional militaries, so long as they are subordinated to the national command, are not a bad idea. That's basically the idea behind the National Guard, which remains at the disposal of state governors unless called up by the federal government for duty.
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by Milagro » Wed Oct 30, 2013 6:20 pm
Santheres wrote:I would honestly change your national character enough that you have explorers or something that can get you interacting with everyone else. Even if it's just a rare thing that sometimes a ship will decide "you know what's cool? That place over there" and check stuff out.

by Santheres » Wed Oct 30, 2013 6:22 pm
Milagro wrote:Santheres wrote:I would honestly change your national character enough that you have explorers or something that can get you interacting with everyone else. Even if it's just a rare thing that sometimes a ship will decide "you know what's cool? That place over there" and check stuff out.
Hm... I may have to go that route. I'll definitely consider it if nothing better comes to mind. Once I'm ready to start RPing with this nation that is. I'm still working through some of the REALLY important stuff, like basic history, culture, system of government, and a world map. I want to have those four down before doing anything.

by Milagro » Wed Oct 30, 2013 6:23 pm
Santheres wrote:Milagro wrote:Hm... I may have to go that route. I'll definitely consider it if nothing better comes to mind. Once I'm ready to start RPing with this nation that is. I'm still working through some of the REALLY important stuff, like basic history, culture, system of government, and a world map. I want to have those four down before doing anything.
Makes sense. Just remember that writing yourself into near-total isolation is a very bad thing.


by StellarGate » Wed Oct 30, 2013 6:28 pm
Milagro wrote:Oh, one thing I'd like to ask about RPing, rather than tech.
Milagro isn't HUGE on exploration. They're perfectly content to stay in their corner of the galaxy, maybe colonize a moon or two in their solar system. Possibly terraform another planet. The population isn't massive and they aren't draining the resources like no tomorrow (but they do harvest resources from other uninhabitable planets, you know so that if resources become scarce on the homeplanet their isn't this huge scramble to build space ships to get off planet and get more/colonize, because that step is already done).
However, without this massive urge to explore it kinda leaves me somewhat stuck in my little solar system. Any ideas to go about interacting with the larger NSFT community as a whole?
I had one idea, involving the concept of "word of mouth". Basically we'd have to have some kind of first contact scenario (for the purpose of that specific RP, I'd have to look for a benevolent civilization). Afterwards, if said civilization enjoyed their time in Milagro, then perhaps they would spread the word (among nations that aren't looking for a planet to conquer) of this neat little friendly nation. It could easily be mentioned as something casual (i.e. "Speaking of that part of the galaxy, we meet a nice little nation named Milagro around there. Fun people") or perhaps brought up as the topic of some important meeting. Either or works.
Of course, I realize that does kinda require some effort on the part of the other RPer to help expand my nation's "contact list", so to speak. If that is too much of a burden then I have another plan: just send probes out into space with an invitation for nations to come, as long as they present the probe as proof of invitation (so we know it isn't some random invader). Then we set there and wait for intelligent life... kinda like Earth.
However the main thing that concerns me is that, ICly, a nation looking for easy prey could easily get the invitation, find out where it came from, go pretending to come in peace and then attempt to conquer the planet. Not sure how avoid that possibly, unless totally ignoring that possibility (OOCly) is a legitimate response?

by The Akasha Colony » Wed Oct 30, 2013 6:31 pm
StellarGate wrote:Milagro wrote:Oh, one thing I'd like to ask about RPing, rather than tech.
Milagro isn't HUGE on exploration. They're perfectly content to stay in their corner of the galaxy, maybe colonize a moon or two in their solar system. Possibly terraform another planet. The population isn't massive and they aren't draining the resources like no tomorrow (but they do harvest resources from other uninhabitable planets, you know so that if resources become scarce on the homeplanet their isn't this huge scramble to build space ships to get off planet and get more/colonize, because that step is already done).
However, without this massive urge to explore it kinda leaves me somewhat stuck in my little solar system. Any ideas to go about interacting with the larger NSFT community as a whole?
I had one idea, involving the concept of "word of mouth". Basically we'd have to have some kind of first contact scenario (for the purpose of that specific RP, I'd have to look for a benevolent civilization). Afterwards, if said civilization enjoyed their time in Milagro, then perhaps they would spread the word (among nations that aren't looking for a planet to conquer) of this neat little friendly nation. It could easily be mentioned as something casual (i.e. "Speaking of that part of the galaxy, we meet a nice little nation named Milagro around there. Fun people") or perhaps brought up as the topic of some important meeting. Either or works.
Of course, I realize that does kinda require some effort on the part of the other RPer to help expand my nation's "contact list", so to speak. If that is too much of a burden then I have another plan: just send probes out into space with an invitation for nations to come, as long as they present the probe as proof of invitation (so we know it isn't some random invader). Then we set there and wait for intelligent life... kinda like Earth.
However the main thing that concerns me is that, ICly, a nation looking for easy prey could easily get the invitation, find out where it came from, go pretending to come in peace and then attempt to conquer the planet. Not sure how avoid that possibly, unless totally ignoring that possibility (OOCly) is a legitimate response?
Word of mouth might not work in space. My own nation currently has only two allies and while it has contacted many more (a lot of them CTEd nations) none of them have ever tried to get in contact with my long time RP partner Terra Reborn, I think only one did, and he CTEd eventually too.
Explorers tend to be your best bet, having someone actively probing around for planets to settle or systems to mine, you're bound to run into people eventually.
that's what my FT nation does, though usually with military ships.


by Milagro » Wed Oct 30, 2013 6:50 pm
StellarGate wrote:Milagro wrote:Oh, one thing I'd like to ask about RPing, rather than tech.
Milagro isn't HUGE on exploration. They're perfectly content to stay in their corner of the galaxy, maybe colonize a moon or two in their solar system. Possibly terraform another planet. The population isn't massive and they aren't draining the resources like no tomorrow (but they do harvest resources from other uninhabitable planets, you know so that if resources become scarce on the homeplanet their isn't this huge scramble to build space ships to get off planet and get more/colonize, because that step is already done).
However, without this massive urge to explore it kinda leaves me somewhat stuck in my little solar system. Any ideas to go about interacting with the larger NSFT community as a whole?
I had one idea, involving the concept of "word of mouth". Basically we'd have to have some kind of first contact scenario (for the purpose of that specific RP, I'd have to look for a benevolent civilization). Afterwards, if said civilization enjoyed their time in Milagro, then perhaps they would spread the word (among nations that aren't looking for a planet to conquer) of this neat little friendly nation. It could easily be mentioned as something casual (i.e. "Speaking of that part of the galaxy, we meet a nice little nation named Milagro around there. Fun people") or perhaps brought up as the topic of some important meeting. Either or works.
Of course, I realize that does kinda require some effort on the part of the other RPer to help expand my nation's "contact list", so to speak. If that is too much of a burden then I have another plan: just send probes out into space with an invitation for nations to come, as long as they present the probe as proof of invitation (so we know it isn't some random invader). Then we set there and wait for intelligent life... kinda like Earth.
However the main thing that concerns me is that, ICly, a nation looking for easy prey could easily get the invitation, find out where it came from, go pretending to come in peace and then attempt to conquer the planet. Not sure how avoid that possibly, unless totally ignoring that possibility (OOCly) is a legitimate response?
Word of mouth might not work in space. My own nation currently has only two allies and while it has contacted many more (a lot of them CTEd nations) none of them have ever tried to get in contact with my long time RP partner Terra Reborn, I think only one did, and he CTEd eventually too.
Explorers tend to be your best bet, having someone actively probing around for planets to settle or systems to mine, you're bound to run into people eventually.
that's what my FT nation does, though usually with military ships.

by SquareDisc City » Wed Oct 30, 2013 6:53 pm
Agreed. It's worth bearing in mind that there's more to a nation than its government. Even if the government tends to keep itself to itself, there's corporations, universities, wealthy individuals and more who might head out into the wider galaxy.Santheres wrote:I would honestly change your national character enough that you have explorers or something that can get you interacting with everyone else. Even if it's just a rare thing that sometimes a ship will decide "you know what's cool? That place over there" and check stuff out.

by -The Unified Earth Governments- » Wed Oct 30, 2013 7:25 pm
Milagro wrote:Oh, one thing I'd like to ask about RPing, rather than tech.
Milagro isn't HUGE on exploration. They're perfectly content to stay in their corner of the galaxy, maybe colonize a moon or two in their solar system. Possibly terraform another planet. The population isn't massive and they aren't draining the resources like no tomorrow (but they do harvest resources from other uninhabitable planets, you know so that if resources become scarce on the homeplanet their isn't this huge scramble to build space ships to get off planet and get more/colonize, because that step is already done).
However, without this massive urge to explore it kinda leaves me somewhat stuck in my little solar system. Any ideas to go about interacting with the larger NSFT community as a whole?
I had one idea, involving the concept of "word of mouth". Basically we'd have to have some kind of first contact scenario (for the purpose of that specific RP, I'd have to look for a benevolent civilization). Afterwards, if said civilization enjoyed their time in Milagro, then perhaps they would spread the word (among nations that aren't looking for a planet to conquer) of this neat little friendly nation. It could easily be mentioned as something casual (i.e. "Speaking of that part of the galaxy, we meet a nice little nation named Milagro around there. Fun people") or perhaps brought up as the topic of some important meeting. Either or works.
Of course, I realize that does kinda require some effort on the part of the other RPer to help expand my nation's "contact list", so to speak. If that is too much of a burden then I have another plan: just send probes out into space with an invitation for nations to come, as long as they present the probe as proof of invitation (so we know it isn't some random invader). Then we set there and wait for intelligent life... kinda like Earth.
However the main thing that concerns me is that, ICly, a nation looking for easy prey could easily get the invitation, find out where it came from, go pretending to come in peace and then attempt to conquer the planet. Not sure how avoid that possibly, unless totally ignoring that possibility (OOCly) is a legitimate response?
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by StellarGate » Wed Oct 30, 2013 7:26 pm
The Akasha Colony wrote:StellarGate wrote:
Word of mouth might not work in space. My own nation currently has only two allies and while it has contacted many more (a lot of them CTEd nations) none of them have ever tried to get in contact with my long time RP partner Terra Reborn, I think only one did, and he CTEd eventually too.
Explorers tend to be your best bet, having someone actively probing around for planets to settle or systems to mine, you're bound to run into people eventually.
that's what my FT nation does, though usually with military ships.
I still have that relay...

by StellarGate » Wed Oct 30, 2013 7:31 pm
Milagro wrote:StellarGate wrote:
Word of mouth might not work in space. My own nation currently has only two allies and while it has contacted many more (a lot of them CTEd nations) none of them have ever tried to get in contact with my long time RP partner Terra Reborn, I think only one did, and he CTEd eventually too.
Explorers tend to be your best bet, having someone actively probing around for planets to settle or systems to mine, you're bound to run into people eventually.
that's what my FT nation does, though usually with military ships.
Explorers looking for resources would make the most sense for my nation, but I 'd really rather not have to write up "ships appears, military ships are all around it". It seems like everyone is doing that.
But if I must, I suppose I will. I suppose that means that in addition to the four things I wanted to write up, I'll have to have a basic military outline.
Maybe I'll just have some sort of ship specifically meant for exploration, able to defend itself but not this "UBERMEGA SHIP OF DOOM".
Any ideas? Or is is actually just better to have "one resource gathering ship, multiple military ships". If that's the case, then I suppose my resource gathering ships outside of my solar system would have to be few and far between.

by Milagro » Wed Oct 30, 2013 7:54 pm
-The Unified Earth Governments- wrote:Milagro wrote:Oh, one thing I'd like to ask about RPing, rather than tech.
Milagro isn't HUGE on exploration. They're perfectly content to stay in their corner of the galaxy, maybe colonize a moon or two in their solar system. Possibly terraform another planet. The population isn't massive and they aren't draining the resources like no tomorrow (but they do harvest resources from other uninhabitable planets, you know so that if resources become scarce on the homeplanet their isn't this huge scramble to build space ships to get off planet and get more/colonize, because that step is already done).
However, without this massive urge to explore it kinda leaves me somewhat stuck in my little solar system. Any ideas to go about interacting with the larger NSFT community as a whole?
I had one idea, involving the concept of "word of mouth". Basically we'd have to have some kind of first contact scenario (for the purpose of that specific RP, I'd have to look for a benevolent civilization). Afterwards, if said civilization enjoyed their time in Milagro, then perhaps they would spread the word (among nations that aren't looking for a planet to conquer) of this neat little friendly nation. It could easily be mentioned as something casual (i.e. "Speaking of that part of the galaxy, we meet a nice little nation named Milagro around there. Fun people") or perhaps brought up as the topic of some important meeting. Either or works.
Of course, I realize that does kinda require some effort on the part of the other RPer to help expand my nation's "contact list", so to speak. If that is too much of a burden then I have another plan: just send probes out into space with an invitation for nations to come, as long as they present the probe as proof of invitation (so we know it isn't some random invader). Then we set there and wait for intelligent life... kinda like Earth.
However the main thing that concerns me is that, ICly, a nation looking for easy prey could easily get the invitation, find out where it came from, go pretending to come in peace and then attempt to conquer the planet. Not sure how avoid that possibly, unless totally ignoring that possibility (OOCly) is a legitimate response?
Thats basically how I play this nation. Can you tell me more about yourself?

by Arthropoda Ingens » Wed Oct 30, 2013 8:31 pm
Well. Survived, yes. But concentrating all the land in a relatively limited area is going to cut significantly into species diversity (Whether terrestrial or marine). Likelyhood of desertification increases, and last but not least, the sea actually serves as a temperature-moderating factor which would be lacking for the inner parts of continents, consequently turning them into ovens during the day, and refrigerators during the night.Milagro wrote:So... I've elected to just have no real poles. Note sure if that's a massive issue, but Earth survived when all the land mass was just Pangaea around the equator, right?
Is the government not huge on exploration, or everyone in the society?Milagro wrote:Oh, one thing I'd like to ask about RPing, rather than tech.
Milagro isn't HUGE on exploration. They're perfectly content to stay in their corner of the galaxy, maybe colonize a moon or two in their solar system. Possibly terraform another planet. The population isn't massive and they aren't draining the resources like no tomorrow (but they do harvest resources from other uninhabitable planets, you know so that if resources become scarce on the homeplanet their isn't this huge scramble to build space ships to get off planet and get more/colonize, because that step is already done).
However, without this massive urge to explore it kinda leaves me somewhat stuck in my little solar system. Any ideas to go about interacting with the larger NSFT community as a whole?
I had one idea, involving the concept of "word of mouth". Basically we'd have to have some kind of first contact scenario (for the purpose of that specific RP, I'd have to look for a benevolent civilization). Afterwards, if said civilization enjoyed their time in Milagro, then perhaps they would spread the word (among nations that aren't looking for a planet to conquer) of this neat little friendly nation. It could easily be mentioned as something casual (i.e. "Speaking of that part of the galaxy, we meet a nice little nation named Milagro around there. Fun people") or perhaps brought up as the topic of some important meeting. Either or works.
Of course, I realize that does kinda require some effort on the part of the other RPer to help expand my nation's "contact list", so to speak. If that is too much of a burden then I have another plan: just send probes out into space with an invitation for nations to come, as long as they present the probe as proof of invitation (so we know it isn't some random invader). Then we set there and wait for intelligent life... kinda like Earth.
However the main thing that concerns me is that, ICly, a nation looking for easy prey could easily get the invitation, find out where it came from, go pretending to come in peace and then attempt to conquer the planet. Not sure how avoid that possibly, unless totally ignoring that possibility (OOCly) is a legitimate response?

by Milagro » Wed Oct 30, 2013 9:16 pm
Hm.... What I really want out of the geography of the planet is an really dry inside, like the drier parts of Mexico. I'm not too sure how to go about that. Could massive lakes also serve to regulate temperature?Arthropoda Ingens wrote:Well. Survived, yes. But concentrating all the land in a relatively limited area is going to cut significantly into species diversity (Whether terrestrial or marine). Likelyhood of desertification increases, and last but not least, the sea actually serves as a temperature-moderating factor which would be lacking for the inner parts of continents, consequently turning them into ovens during the day, and refrigerators during the night.Milagro wrote:So... I've elected to just have no real poles. Note sure if that's a massive issue, but Earth survived when all the land mass was just Pangaea around the equator, right?
Which you may be perfectly happy with. But if not, I'd suggest a larger number of smaller continents. Don't have to sit straight on the poles, of course. Just not one or two hueg landmasses.
It isn't really the most important thing on the minds of the general population of Milagros. Or at least I should say it isn't the biggest thing on their minds right now. There isn't a shortage of resources right now, and they've become accustomed to a lax pace of space exploration since they were all alone in their solar system and there weren't any huge international "space races" (Milagro became a unified nation before proceeding to go into space).Arthropoda Ingens wrote:Is the government not huge on exploration, or everyone in the society?
Just because the state agencies aren't keen on exploring the galaxy doesn't mean the common man can't go on a galactic tour to celebrate graduation or some such thing.
:DArthropoda Ingens wrote:And yes, it is a legitimate response. Nobody can force you to play out something you don't want. This isn't to say the concept of ignoring people can't be used to do silly things (We've actually had a player who used to randomly invade people by starting 'Invite Only' threads as a reason to ignore the invaded people's friends), but a case of 'Actually, I explicitly want a peaceful thread. You aren't peaceful. Fuck off.' is perfectly legitimate.

by Arthropoda Ingens » Wed Oct 30, 2013 9:56 pm
They could and do, yes. Of course, getting said massive lakes can be difficult-ish - you need mountain ranges or snowy snow snow winters that trap precipitation and force it into a fitting basin. Works for the great lakes and the caspian sea, but there's not that many such locations. And where they are, the area is usually a little less dry than what you're imagining because, well... Shitton of water right next door, and the rivers that supply the lake are around there somewhere, too. Central Asia with the Caspian sea, the Aral sea and the Baikal lake is pretty close, though - yay steppe.Milagro wrote:Hm.... What I really want out of the geography of the planet is an really dry inside, like the drier parts of Mexico. I'm not too sure how to go about that. Could massive lakes also serve to regulate temperature?Arthropoda Ingens wrote:Well. Survived, yes. But concentrating all the land in a relatively limited area is going to cut significantly into species diversity (Whether terrestrial or marine). Likelyhood of desertification increases, and last but not least, the sea actually serves as a temperature-moderating factor which would be lacking for the inner parts of continents, consequently turning them into ovens during the day, and refrigerators during the night.
Which you may be perfectly happy with. But if not, I'd suggest a larger number of smaller continents. Don't have to sit straight on the poles, of course. Just not one or two hueg landmasses.
I'd rather keep the landmasses to a minimum however. No landmasses at the poles though.

by Milagro » Wed Oct 30, 2013 10:23 pm
Well I heard that air currents have something to do with deserts as well. These things called "cells", which are Polar, Ferrel, and Hadley. Hadley being the air circulation at the equator and Polar being the air circulation at the poles.Arthropoda Ingens wrote:They could and do, yes. Of course, getting said massive lakes can be difficult-ish - you need mountain ranges or snowy snow snow winters that trap precipitation and force it into a fitting basin. Works for the great lakes and the caspian sea, but there's not that many such locations. And where they are, the area is usually a little less dry than what you're imagining because, well... Shitton of water right next door, and the rivers that supply the lake are around there somewhere, too. Central Asia with the Caspian sea, the Aral sea and the Baikal lake is pretty close, though - yay steppe.Milagro wrote:Hm.... What I really want out of the geography of the planet is an really dry inside, like the drier parts of Mexico. I'm not too sure how to go about that. Could massive lakes also serve to regulate temperature?
I'd rather keep the landmasses to a minimum however. No landmasses at the poles though.
Mind, there's other ways to get really dry areas. A significant part of Chile is pretty dry despite being right at the coast - the Humbold stream is so fucking cold it loses barely any water to evaporation, and as a consequence, the relevant parts of Chile are somewhat on the dry side. Now, of course, the Humbold stream is cold because its origin is cooled by Antarctica, so this concept may not be quite what you're looking for.
Ultimately - a wholly uniform environment isn't really doable. Still - with some mid-sized continents and some conveniently placed mountain ranges, large interior steppe areas and the odd desert where it doesn't quite work out for the lakes are very possible. Close enough, I'd say.

by Arthropoda Ingens » Wed Oct 30, 2013 10:39 pm

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by Milagro » Wed Oct 30, 2013 11:28 pm
The Alwon wrote:How should I RP as a pacifist nation?

by The Alwon » Wed Oct 30, 2013 11:36 pm
Milagro wrote:The Alwon wrote:How should I RP as a pacifist nation?
I'm trying to do the same thing (basically since Milagro is not big on war).
What I'm doing is my people are going to be friendly, caring, and generally open minded about other cultures. Not sure if that's where you want to go with it, but I figure that is a good way to make friends rather than enemies.

by Milagro » Wed Oct 30, 2013 11:46 pm
The Alwon wrote:Milagro wrote:I'm trying to do the same thing (basically since Milagro is not big on war).
What I'm doing is my people are going to be friendly, caring, and generally open minded about other cultures. Not sure if that's where you want to go with it, but I figure that is a good way to make friends rather than enemies.
The Alwon are stone cold set on not fighting anyone, at least with the intent to harm and kill.
Centuries of terrible war against Humans and then the Xeyed and Kysillus invaded.
My concept so far is that we live in a fleet of 5 planet sized worldships with a fleet of ships designed to create defense stuff around the fleet.
I am wondering if there was any weapons I could make that don't kill or harm the enemy directly, but stop them and slow them.
If there isn't any realistic way of doing this, would it be alright to handwave ideas?
And if not, are there anything I can do to at least not kill people who attack me if that was to ever occur?

by Vernii » Thu Oct 31, 2013 2:22 am
The Alwon wrote:How should I RP as a pacifist nation?
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