NSG Senate Lobby: No Hacks Here

[Malgrave]

Your kid with a Russian RPG would have to get close enough to the cruise ship (like right on the pier) to even accidentally hit it, and that's not going to happen with thousands of people around. At best, he died trying walk down the street with an RPG. Ignore cannoned.

Your right. Nobody can shoot the cruise ships. Because they didn't sail into a potential warzone.

Yep. As I said earlier all airliners and cruise liners are just going to ignore Pochenti.

[Malgrave]

I thought you said that your self-declared republic had snipers and other armed officers patrolling the streets and "protecting" government buildings? Or did you just change that when you realised that your PMC is going to get classified as a paramilitary organisation.

You also clearly offered a letter of marque (piracy/terrorism). It doesn't matter if nobody accepted the offer just that you offered to support international piracy in the heart of the Mediterranean. You'll just have to deal with the consequences and that involves getting your sovereign wealth fund seized and your tourism industry blockaded.

*If* the international community even takes either party seriously, which is at best laughably doubtful. Pochenti broke away mostly because the time was ripe to do so.

Galatea is an internationally recognised country that recently held fair and free elections. Pochenti is an unrecognised seperatist republic formed by eccentric libertarians. It's not hard to say that the international community would take Galatea's side.

[Nulla Bellum]

Your kid with a Russian RPG would have to get close enough to the cruise ship (like right on the pier) to even accidentally hit it, and that's not going to happen with thousands of people around. At best, he died trying walk down the street with an RPG. Ignore cannoned.

Your right. Nobody can shoot the cruise ships. Because they didn't sail into a potential warzone.

Except there is no potentisl warzone ofher than one the Galatean gov is trying to create.

[Tectonix]

*If* the international community even takes either party seriously, which is at best laughably doubtful. Pochenti broke away mostly because the time was ripe to do so.

Galatea is an internationally recognised country that recently held fair and free elections. Pochenti is an unrecognised seperatist republic formed by eccentric libertarians. It's not hard to say that the international community would take Galatea's side.

^this. I find it the height of ridiculousness to even suggest that international entities of any kind will take a renegade state seriously enough to support it against a democratic nation that has recently held free and open elections. Cruise liners would never go to such a place, and even by some miracle that they did, the administration would be prosecuted for endangering the lives of their citizens. It doesn't matter whether NB thinks that he lives in a hippy libertarian wonderland of peace and prosperity, knowingly sending tourists into a separatist territory of a democratic state that is already facing blockades would be criminally negligent.

[Nulla Bellum]

Galatea is an internationally recognised country that recently held fair and free elections. Pochenti is an unrecognised seperatist republic formed by eccentric libertarians. It's not hard to say that the international community would take Galatea's side.

^this. I find it the height of ridiculousness to even suggest that international entities of any kind will take a renegade state seriously enough to support it against a democratic nation that has recently held free and open elections. Cruise liners would never go to such a place, and even by some miracle that they did, the administration would be prosecuted for endangering the lives of their citizens. It doesn't matter whether NB thinks that he lives in a hippy libertarian wonderland of peace and prosperity, knowingly sending tourists into a separatist territory of a democratic state that is already facing blockades would be criminally negligent.

What blockades? What navy? What laws? What free elections? Galatea doesn't even have voter registration (yet) lol. No census to even lay the groundwork for taxation progressive or otherwise. Assuming even international recognition at this point is a massive godmod. Galatea has a history going back decades of brutal repression. And lately, more of the same, with apparently open markets for military equipment to get into civvie / terrorist hands. The only thing the Galatean gov should realistically be expecting from the international community is airstrikes on its uncontrolled military assets and ammo dumps.

[The Sarian]

International Relations student here, Galatea has the right of territorial integrity.

[Nulla Bellum]

International Relations student here, Galatea has the right of territorial integrity.

With one, perhaps two political parties (CHU, ITJ) seeking reunification with different countries, lots of factions, a miltant insurgency movement (FAoG), and less we forget, no national unified legal code or judicial system in place. Galatea has a lot of smoldering and simmering fires to put out that its thin veneer of "national government" doesn't seem to have a grip on, municipalties have been left to run themselves, etc. and despite the charade, the central government isn't really governing dick. Dionysika / Isle of Ponchenti has just extended its already de facto city-state status into a full fledged move for self-determination and independence. Realistically speaking, Galatea can't smash and bash itself to unity, and can't handwave away the very real disunity. Why do Galateans really care if Dionysika / IoP splits off and does its own thing? It's the small thing writ large. The current Galatean gov is more concerned with international status than if its military assets are in some looter's garage sale, more concerned about its hubristic declaration of absolute sovereignty than the consent of the governed, more concerned with hierarchy than liberty. I'm not here to RP a serf.

International law affords certain rights to non-violent seperatist movements, and gives them special consideration if they are oppressed. That is the tightrope the Pochenti separatists are walking, risking even more oppression for the condemnation it will bring Galatea, which by game history wasn't exactly Utopia to begin with. Galatea has a nationwide unity problem that Pochenti isn't currently and perhaps other provinces down the road aren't going to be interested in solving. It would seem Galatea needs Ponchentian obedience more than Ponchenti needs Galatean dictatorship. Que sera. Now we have a nice RP, if we can keep it.

[Tectonix]

^this. I find it the height of ridiculousness to even suggest that international entities of any kind will take a renegade state seriously enough to support it against a democratic nation that has recently held free and open elections. Cruise liners would never go to such a place, and even by some miracle that they did, the administration would be prosecuted for endangering the lives of their citizens. It doesn't matter whether NB thinks that he lives in a hippy libertarian wonderland of peace and prosperity, knowingly sending tourists into a separatist territory of a democratic state that is already facing blockades would be criminally negligent.

What blockades? What navy? What laws? What free elections? Galatea doesn't even have voter registration (yet) lol. No census to even lay the groundwork for taxation progressive or otherwise. Assuming even international recognition at this point is a massive godmod. Galatea has a history going back decades of brutal repression. And lately, more of the same, with apparently open markets for military equipment to get into civvie / terrorist hands. The only thing the Galatean gov should realistically be expecting is airstrikes on its uncontrolled military assets and ammo dumps.

Godmodding is the practice of using OOC knowledge to influence IC occurrences. You usage of it here is flat-out-wrong. Our early-game elections have always been assumed to be free (unless there is a direct usurpation to the system by a player) — it's only after the federal government has begun considering electoral legislation that such actions are seen taking place with any sort of legitimacy.

International Relations student here, Galatea has the right of territorial integrity.

^Excuse me, aren't you aware that libertarianism is superior to international law?

[House of Judah]

What blockades? What navy? What laws? What free elections? Galatea doesn't even have voter registration (yet) lol. No census to even lay the groundwork for taxation progressive or otherwise. Assuming even international recognition at this point is a massive godmod. Galatea has a history going back decades of brutal repression. And lately, more of the same, with apparently open markets for military equipment to get into civvie / terrorist hands. The only thing the Galatean gov should realistically be expecting is airstrikes on its uncontrolled military assets and ammo dumps.

Godmodding is the practice of using OOC knowledge to influence IC occurrences. You usage of it here is flat-out-wrong. Our early-game elections have always been assumed to be free (unless there is a direct usurpation to the system by a player) — it's only after the federal government has begun considering electoral legislation that such actions are seen taking place with any sort of legitimacy.

International Relations student here, Galatea has the right of territorial integrity.

^Excuse me, aren't you aware that libertarianism is superior to international law?

Actually, that's metagaming. Godmodding is stuff like claiming massive cruise liners are put into port on your tiny island.

[Tectonix]

Godmodding is the practice of using OOC knowledge to influence IC occurrences. You usage of it here is flat-out-wrong. Our early-game elections have always been assumed to be free (unless there is a direct usurpation to the system by a player) — it's only after the federal government has begun considering electoral legislation that such actions are seen taking place with any sort of legitimacy.


^Excuse me, aren't you aware that libertarianism is superior to international law?

Actually, that's metagaming. Godmodding is stuff like claiming massive cruise liners are put into port on your tiny island.

Hm, guess I was wrong. However, I do remember the term 'godmod' being used with that definition a while back...oh well. My separate point stands.

[The Sarian]

International Relations student here, Galatea has the right of territorial integrity.

With one, perhaps two political parties (CHU, ITJ) seeking reunification with different countries, lots of factions, a miltant insurgency movement (FAoG), and less we forget, no national unified legal code or judicial system in place. Galatea has a lot of smoldering and simmering fires to put out that its thin veneer of "national government" doesn't seem to have a grip on, municipalties have been left to run themselves, etc. and despite the charade, the central government isn't really governing dick. Dionysika / Isle of Ponchenti has just extended its already de facto city-state status into a full fledged move for self-determination and independence. Realistically speaking, Galatea can't smash and bash itself to unity, and can't handwave away the very real disunity. Why do Galateans really care if Dionysika / IoP splits off and does its own thing? It's the small thing writ large. The current Galatean gov is more concerned with international status than if its military assets are in some looter's garage sale, more concerned about its hubristic declaration of absolute sovereignty than the consent of the governed, more concerned with hierarchy than liberty. I'm not here to RP a serf.

International law affords certain rights to non-violent seperatist movements, and gives them special consideration if they are oppressed. That is the tightrope the Pochenti separatists are walking, risking even more oppression for the condemnation it will bring Galatea, which by game history wasn't exactly Utopia to begin with. Galatea has a nationwide unity problem that Pochenti isn't currently and perhaps other provinces down the road aren't going to be interested in solving. It would seem Galatea needs Ponchentian obedience more than Ponchenti needs Galatean dictatorship. Que sera. Now we have a nice RP, if we can keep it.

What you have said is factually incorrect.

[Nulla Bellum]

What blockades? What navy? What laws? What free elections? Galatea doesn't even have voter registration (yet) lol. No census to even lay the groundwork for taxation progressive or otherwise. Assuming even international recognition at this point is a massive godmod. Galatea has a history going back decades of brutal repression. And lately, more of the same, with apparently open markets for military equipment to get into civvie / terrorist hands. The only thing the Galatean gov should realistically be expecting is airstrikes on its uncontrolled military assets and ammo dumps.

Godmodding is the practice of using OOC knowledge to influence IC occurrences. You usage of it here is flat-out-wrong. Our early-game elections have always been assumed to be free (unless there is a direct usurpation to the system by a player) — it's only after the federal government has begun considering electoral legislation that such actions are seen taking place with any sort of legitimacy.

International Relations student here, Galatea has the right of territorial integrity.

^Excuse me, aren't you aware that libertarianism is superior to international law?

1. What a particularly damning definition of godmodding you have laid out for yourself and others. Anti-NightWatch laws proposed in the Coffee Shop long before they in accepted canon actually did anything (and they still haven't done anything but hire unemployed soldiers and cops...), sudden appearance of a fully trained commando squad to attack my character's home and his constituents in place and ready to strike within literally minutes of the announced independence of Ponchenti, the Discord discussions of "anti-NB laws," yeah, lots of dirty, underhanded, GODMOD bullshit. Sorry I kicked your pigeon coop over, but y'all advertised yourself as a roleplay welcome to new players. Everything I've done has been above board and on the level. I absolutely love your definition of godmodding because I'm shown totally innocent by it. You'd howl at the moon if I had a throwaway NPC serial killer taking advantage of the lack of real law enforcement, or even a NPC burglar caught stealing the President's underwear to illustrate the lack of laws protecting privacy and property in the wake of such liberties being shot down repeatedly in game play. I prefer to RP with what I'm given. A nation with a history of decades of tyranny and angry survivors of the same exasperated over the lack of rights and the concerted efforts to deny those rights while the so-called national government tilts at the pressing issues of what flag the dogcatcher should fly or which Senator brings the pizza next time. Seriously? No wonder the Junta and Triumvirate lasted so long. Apparently nobody realized they were being oppressed lol. I get that there's a Forum 7 clown aspect to this game, but after 7 iterations of this game you gotta wonder why the 1st iteration failed to continue to mature.

2. International law has more to do with neutral, libertarian thought than it doesn't. No country ever signed on to international agreements because they wanted more tyranny than the locals could provide. Galatea has to break the international agreements it is signing up for to enforce the aforementioned godmodded "anti-NB" diktats and hamfisted in-character announcements Roose has made as PM. That's fine, as long the admins govern real in-game consequences and effects to the actions the "government" of Galatea is taking to enforce its clumsy will upon a people with over half a century of being goddamn sick of that. Yes, there will be radical commie class warriors and their hardcore libertarian counterparts creating and ripping seams in this jigsaw puzzle country of no laws and bafflingly monopoly government.

Maybe Merizoc was right and this game is doomed to fail. I'd like to think we, individually and collectively, can debunk that notion. I don't want to be your best friend. I want to RP in a challenging and rewarding game that none of us wants to end. Is that to much to ask?

[Nulla Bellum]

Godmodding is the practice of using OOC knowledge to influence IC occurrences. You usage of it here is flat-out-wrong. Our early-game elections have always been assumed to be free (unless there is a direct usurpation to the system by a player) — it's only after the federal government has begun considering electoral legislation that such actions are seen taking place with any sort of legitimacy.


^Excuse me, aren't you aware that libertarianism is superior to international law?

Actually, that's metagaming. Godmodding is stuff like claiming massive cruise liners are put into port on your tiny island.

No, godmodding is pretending Galatea has a government that can tell the international community what to do with air traffic, financial systems, trade, travel, etc. and not get a reaction somewhere between being laughed at and being told to go f*** itself and how, especially given the history laid out of Galatea that presumably the internatuonal community is keenly aware of. "Help shut down a peaceful separatist because the Junta isn't around to do it anymore? Sure, let's get right on that. Sorry ISIS hang on, those f***ing Galatean libertarians are getting uppity..." Please. Just stop.

Besides, there are other Galatean cities in the National Database listing themselves as cruiseliner ports. The only big deal? I guess I meant it when I wrote it. I'm sorry I'm not your obedient drone. You may notice that nobody else in the real world is either.

[The Miaphysite Church of Coptic Archism]

You have a fundamental misunderstanding in that you think Galatea's government is somehow un-established with the international community. The EU was very involved in preventing a Galatean civil war. Secondarily, no matter how you try to excuse it, the minute you announce you will be issuing letters of marque (regardless of whether you follow through) in the middle of the Mediterranean, you lose any legitimacy as a peaceful separatist. Who would the international community support, an island in the Mediterranean that declares independence and says it will conduct piracy, defended by PMCs? Or a government that has had two successful democratic elections, drafted a democratic constitution and is now going about the technicalities of joining international bodies?

[Tectonix]

Godmodding is the practice of using OOC knowledge to influence IC occurrences. You usage of it here is flat-out-wrong. Our early-game elections have always been assumed to be free (unless there is a direct usurpation to the system by a player) — it's only after the federal government has begun considering electoral legislation that such actions are seen taking place with any sort of legitimacy.


^Excuse me, aren't you aware that libertarianism is superior to international law?

1. What a particularly damning definition of godmodding you have laid out for yourself and others. Anti-NightWatch laws proposed in the Coffee Shop long before they in accepted canon actually did anything (and they still haven't done anything but hire unemployed soldiers and cops...), sudden appearance of a fully trained commando squad to attack my character's home and his constituents in place and ready to strike within literally minutes of the announced independence of Ponchenti, the Discord discussions of "anti-NB laws," yeah, lots of dirty, underhanded, GODMOD bullshit. Sorry I kicked your pigeon coop over, but y'all advertised yourself as a roleplay welcome to new players. Everything I've done has been above board and on the level. I absolutely love your definition of godmodding because I'm shown totally innocent by it. You'd howl at the moon if I had a throwaway NPC serial killer taking advantage of the lack of real law enforcement, or even a NPC burglar caught stealing the President's underwear to illustrate the lack of laws protecting privacy and property in the wake of such liberties being shot down repeatedly in game play. I prefer to RP with what I'm given. A nation with a history of decades of tyranny and angry survivors of the same exasperated over the lack of rights and the concerted efforts to deny those rights while the so-called national government tilts at the pressing issues of what flag the dogcatcher should fly or which Senator brings the pizza next time. Seriously? No wonder the Junta and Triumvirate lasted so long. Apparently nobody realized they were being oppressed lol. I get that there's a Forum 7 clown aspect to this game, but after 7 iterations of this game you gotta wonder why the 1st iteration failed to continue to mature.

2. International law has more to do with neutral, libertarian thought than it doesn't. No country ever signed on to international agreements because they wanted more tyranny than the locals could provide. Galatea has to break the international agreements it is signing up for to enforce the aforementioned godmodded "anti-NB" diktats and hamfisted in-character announcements Roose has made as PM. That's fine, as long the admins govern real in-game consequences and effects to the actions the "government" of Galatea is taking to enforce its clumsy will upon a people with over half a century of being goddamn sick of that. Yes, there will be radical commie class warriors and their hardcore libertarian counterparts creating and ripping seams in this jigsaw puzzle country of no laws and bafflingly monopoly government.

Maybe Merizoc was right and this game is doomed to fail. I'd like to think we, individually and collectively, can debunk that notion. I don't want to be your best friend. I want to RP in a challenging and rewarding game that none of us wants to end. Is that to much to ask?

I never participated in any such notion as an "anti-NB" law, nor will I remain as silent as I have been if you continue to disparage the Senate community and myself in this manner. I had no involvement in the commando squad, and if you have a problem with some of the backdoor negotiations we do, get used to it — they are in every political simulation, from Model United Nations to NS. As for the coffee shop, it is considered both OOC and IC, so there is leeway in terms of what is accepted there.

[Ainin]

I called DORA the anti-NB law as a joking shorthand to Van Hool and I don't see how it's underhanded when you're literally in the channel and it was never meant to be hidden from you.

[Bigoted]

MOTION:

I move that the RP Admins take actions to either end the incessant "ignore-cannon" BS done by NB in order to invalidate literally any response to his actions within the RP. He has godmodded, created OP defenses, and is literally everything Dragomere was but probably worse because at least Drago responded to attempts to RP with him. He needs to be forced to respond, this situation needs to be retconed, or he needs to be removed from the RP.

[Nulla Bellum]

Letters of marque actually don't violate international law, per se. Sure, lots of countries have signed treaties not to issue them (and even more nations haven't signed those treaties at all, including Galatea and Pochenti) and notably the US still claims the right to issue them in irs Constitution, and has openly considered doing so in both its wars on terrorism and drug interdiction, without loss of legitimacy. It's a fundamentally bad idea, but amounted to in game play a warning that Pochenti will not be subjegated once more without a fight. Galatea can organize a military response with conscripts faster than Pochenti can with money, or sex, or whatever. I'm not much interested in why Galatea would crack down on separatists (that "why" is Pochenti's argument for leaving the authoritarian hellhole) as much as how. No laws, no military, no concern for human or civil rights, yeah draft me to go fight for that. Break out Galatea's mindless flying monkey ninja robots. Oh wait, you ain't got any of those either.

Do I really have to repeat myself again? Night Watch Security Services is a PMC. It screens, hires, and trains law enforcement and military security personnel for profit, just as the real world PMCs I modeled it on do. It's entirely plausible they're backed by the American CIA, but I didn't want to push that angle in the game just yet, if at all, because I didn't want to pretend the governments of the world are at my beckoned call as other players seem to believe they have the power to do. Anyway, it screened, hired, and trained Pochenti's law enforcement and security personnel, all recruited from Galatea's idle and unemployed former national police and military personnel. These are now Pochenti's military and police personnel. They aren't mercenaries. They're how Pochenti secured itself with an organized military personnel and police, while the Galatean government was decidedly not doing the same. Two senators of the provisional government were attacked by a suicide bomber. Does the government move to find culprits and conspirators in an attack on them?

Fuck no, let's pretend crass homophobia and bird shit jokes are fun.

When does the Galatean government decide oh maybe it ought to start tackling the basic functions of law and order and securing all the apparent military hardware laying around for kids to play with? Somewhere between stabbing each other for pizza slices and oh shit someone's actually RP worldbuilding in his small neck of the game.

FFS if I'm leading the parade to everything that happens in the game, follow me to actually building the muhfugga.

I have a secured island of seperatists that I've quite openly fleshed out from the day I picked it out on the map, as well as character histories, backstories, revealed motivations in dialogue, you name it, I've tried to immerse my contribution and participation into the game as detailed and as interactive as possible. I'm playing a character that has a leg blown off by a bomb. Screw your absurd ideas that I won't let anything affect my characters or their stuff. That's patently false. I've even worked with Archism to keep my character just shy of getting kicked out of the Senate with his smart mouth lol.

I have already stated, several times already, that I'm willing and enthusiastic to collaborate on any game actions or events that involve things that would affect what I control in the game, negatively or positively. My only hoop to jump through is realism. Archism can attest that I sought permission to use or mention Celestia Aerospace stuff. Should I have without permission or consultation just had a truck bomb blow up a rocket fuel reservoir and have some neo-Luddite cult start killing Celestia Aerospace scientists and yelled HAHA DONE DEAL WITH IT! No? Snipers take out President Mann? Random drunk driver mows down Senators coming out of the Olive Branch? Kidnap Senator So-and-So's children from their schools and scatter their body parts across the countryside?

I'm ready, willing, and able to adapt my RP narrative to whatever serious RP ideas any player wants to accomplish with or against the people, places, and things I control. Just TG me. Godmodders need not apply.

[Paketo]

International Relations student here, Galatea has the right of territorial integrity.

With one, perhaps two political parties (CHU, ITJ) seeking reunification with different countries, lots of factions, a miltant insurgency movement (FAoG), and less we forget, no national unified legal code or judicial system in place. Galatea has a lot of smoldering and simmering fires to put out that its thin veneer of "national government" doesn't seem to have a grip on, municipalties have been left to run themselves, etc. and despite the charade, the central government isn't really governing dick. Dionysika / Isle of Ponchenti has just extended its already de facto city-state status into a full fledged move for self-determination and independence. Realistically speaking, Galatea can't smash and bash itself to unity, and can't handwave away the very real disunity. Why do Galateans really care if Dionysika / IoP splits off and does its own thing? It's the small thing writ large. The current Galatean gov is more concerned with international status than if its military assets are in some looter's garage sale, more concerned about its hubristic declaration of absolute sovereignty than the consent of the governed, more concerned with hierarchy than liberty. I'm not here to RP a serf.

International law affords certain rights to non-violent seperatist movements, and gives them special consideration if they are oppressed. That is the tightrope the Pochenti separatists are walking, risking even more oppression for the condemnation it will bring Galatea, which by game history wasn't exactly Utopia to begin with. Galatea has a nationwide unity problem that Pochenti isn't currently and perhaps other provinces down the road aren't going to be interested in solving. It would seem Galatea needs Ponchentian obedience more than Ponchenti needs Galatean dictatorship. Que sera. Now we have a nice RP, if we can keep it.

We don’t seek unification with Greece. Believing Constantine II to be the true and rightful king of the Hellenes doesn’t mean a Union with Greece.

[Irona]

Letters of marque actually don't violate international law, per se. Sure, lots of countries have signed treaties not to issue them (and even more nations haven't signed those treaties at all, including Galatea and Pochenti) and notably the US still claims the right to issue them in irs Constitution, and has openly considered doing so in both its wars on terrorism and drug interdiction, without loss of legitimacy. It's a fundamentally bad idea, but amounted to in game play a warning that Pochenti will not be subjegated once more without a fight. Galatea can organize a military response with conscripts faster than Pochenti can with money, or sex, or whatever. I'm not much interested in why Galatea would crack down on separatists (that "why" is Pochenti's argument for leaving the authoritarian hellhole) as much as how. No laws, no military, no concern for human or civil rights, yeah draft me to go fight for that. Break out Galatea's mindless flying monkey ninja robots. Oh wait, you ain't got any of those either.

Do I really have to repeat myself again? Night Watch Security Services is a PMC. It screens, hires, and trains law enforcement and military security personnel for profit, just as the real world PMCs I modeled it on do. It's entirely plausible they're backed by the American CIA, but I didn't want to push that angle in the game just yet, if at all, because I didn't want to pretend the governments of the world are at my beckoned call as other players seem to believe they have the power to do. Anyway, it screened, hired, and trained Pochenti's law enforcement and security personnel, all recruited from Galatea's idle and unemployed former national police and military personnel. These are now Pochenti's military and police personnel. They aren't mercenaries. They're how Pochenti secured itself with an organized military personnel and police, while the Galatean government was decidedly not doing the same. Two senators of the provisional government were attacked by a suicide bomber. Does the government move to find culprits and conspirators in an attack on them?

Fuck no, let's pretend crass homophobia and bird shit jokes are fun.

When does the Galatean government decide oh maybe it ought to start tackling the basic functions of law and order and securing all the apparent military hardware laying around for kids to play with? Somewhere between stabbing each other for pizza slices and oh shit someone's actually RP worldbuilding in his small neck of the game.

FFS if I'm leading the parade to everything that happens in the game, follow me to actually building the muhfugga.

I have a secured island of seperatists that I've quite openly fleshed out from the day I picked it out on the map, as well as character histories, backstories, revealed motivations in dialogue, you name it, I've tried to immerse my contribution and participation into the game as detailed and as interactive as possible. I'm playing a character that has a leg blown off by a bomb. Screw your absurd ideas that I won't let anything affect my characters or their stuff. That's patently false. I've even worked with Archism to keep my character just shy of getting kicked out of the Senate with his smart mouth lol.

I have already stated, several times already, that I'm willing and enthusiastic to collaborate on any game actions or events that involve things that would affect what I control in the game, negatively or positively. My only hoop to jump through is realism. Archism can attest that I sought permission to use or mention Celestia Aerospace stuff. Should I have without permission or consultation just had a truck bomb blow up a rocket fuel reservoir and have some neo-Luddite cult start killing Celestia Aerospace scientists and yelled HAHA DONE DEAL WITH IT! No? Snipers take out President Mann? Random drunk driver mows down Senators coming out of the Olive Branch? Kidnap Senator So-and-So's children from their schools and scatter their body parts across the countryside?

I'm ready, willing, and able to adapt my RP narrative to whatever serious RP ideas any player wants to accomplish with or against the people, places, and things I control. Just TG me. Godmodders need not apply.

Your rhetoric and your actions are not aligned. Lots of people have tried to RP with you. But anything that doesn’t go perfectly for you is ‘ignore cannoned’ because it doesn’t fit your MarySue. Worse, to achieve your MarySue you’ve pushed incredibly unrealistic things though and ignored people’s criticism.

Your RPing with yourself. Your not letting anyone else RP with you. It’s boring and it’s absurd.

[Nulla Bellum]

Letters of marque actually don't violate international law, per se. Sure, lots of countries have signed treaties not to issue them (and even more nations haven't signed those treaties at all, including Galatea and Pochenti) and notably the US still claims the right to issue them in irs Constitution, and has openly considered doing so in both its wars on terrorism and drug interdiction, without loss of legitimacy. It's a fundamentally bad idea, but amounted to in game play a warning that Pochenti will not be subjegated once more without a fight. Galatea can organize a military response with conscripts faster than Pochenti can with money, or sex, or whatever. I'm not much interested in why Galatea would crack down on separatists (that "why" is Pochenti's argument for leaving the authoritarian hellhole) as much as how. No laws, no military, no concern for human or civil rights, yeah draft me to go fight for that. Break out Galatea's mindless flying monkey ninja robots. Oh wait, you ain't got any of those either.

Do I really have to repeat myself again? Night Watch Security Services is a PMC. It screens, hires, and trains law enforcement and military security personnel for profit, just as the real world PMCs I modeled it on do. It's entirely plausible they're backed by the American CIA, but I didn't want to push that angle in the game just yet, if at all, because I didn't want to pretend the governments of the world are at my beckoned call as other players seem to believe they have the power to do. Anyway, it screened, hired, and trained Pochenti's law enforcement and security personnel, all recruited from Galatea's idle and unemployed former national police and military personnel. These are now Pochenti's military and police personnel. They aren't mercenaries. They're how Pochenti secured itself with an organized military personnel and police, while the Galatean government was decidedly not doing the same. Two senators of the provisional government were attacked by a suicide bomber. Does the government move to find culprits and conspirators in an attack on them?

Fuck no, let's pretend crass homophobia and bird shit jokes are fun.

When does the Galatean government decide oh maybe it ought to start tackling the basic functions of law and order and securing all the apparent military hardware laying around for kids to play with? Somewhere between stabbing each other for pizza slices and oh shit someone's actually RP worldbuilding in his small neck of the game.

FFS if I'm leading the parade to everything that happens in the game, follow me to actually building the muhfugga.

I have a secured island of seperatists that I've quite openly fleshed out from the day I picked it out on the map, as well as character histories, backstories, revealed motivations in dialogue, you name it, I've tried to immerse my contribution and participation into the game as detailed and as interactive as possible. I'm playing a character that has a leg blown off by a bomb. Screw your absurd ideas that I won't let anything affect my characters or their stuff. That's patently false. I've even worked with Archism to keep my character just shy of getting kicked out of the Senate with his smart mouth lol.

I have already stated, several times already, that I'm willing and enthusiastic to collaborate on any game actions or events that involve things that would affect what I control in the game, negatively or positively. My only hoop to jump through is realism. Archism can attest that I sought permission to use or mention Celestia Aerospace stuff. Should I have without permission or consultation just had a truck bomb blow up a rocket fuel reservoir and have some neo-Luddite cult start killing Celestia Aerospace scientists and yelled HAHA DONE DEAL WITH IT! No? Snipers take out President Mann? Random drunk driver mows down Senators coming out of the Olive Branch? Kidnap Senator So-and-So's children from their schools and scatter their body parts across the countryside?

I'm ready, willing, and able to adapt my RP narrative to whatever serious RP ideas any player wants to accomplish with or against the people, places, and things I control. Just TG me. Godmodders need not apply.

Your rhetoric and your actions are not aligned. Lots of people have tried to RP with you. But anything that doesn’t go perfectly for you is ‘ignore cannoned’ because it doesn’t fit your MarySue. Worse, to achieve your MarySue you’ve pushed incredibly unrealistic things though and ignored people’s criticism.

Your RPing with yourself. Your not letting anyone else RP with you. It’s boring and it’s absurd.

Nonsense.

I've RPed with Martune, Van Hool Islands, Roose, Archism, HoJ, and others in chamber debates, mock Twitter feuds, Daily Life dialogue, etc. I've allowed plausible things to happen, such as Ainin's shutdown of the telephony connection between my island and Galatea. I ran my character for the Tribunes with limited public appearances because his leg was blown off in a bombing pushed out by another player. I've even let other things affect my character, incrementally, such as the absolute lack of government response to a suicide bomber trying to kill two Senators, the discovery that there (still) isn't any laws or law enforcement, the absurdity of the efforts put into killing bills of righhts measures, and the absolutely toxic in game media environment of my character being constantly libeled and slandered as a homosexual WITH NOTHING OF THE KIND directed at Roose's openly gay Prime Minister character. Ever. Whatsover. Yep, My character has to put up with Truman Show level agitations at every step. I asked admins and players alike to stop using the game to harass me. When that didn't work, I took it in stride. I am interested in RP, with whoever wants to. I've been all take in that regard, from my character getting a leg blown off in a bombing, to having to debate mendacious word-twisters on the Senate floor, to realizing my character lives in a fucked-up nation that has quite many legitimate reasons to have a seperatist movement. Your attention span may vary.

So, I didn't allow you to fire a rocket propelled grenade with a 700 meter effective range over a hill, over a city and into a cruiseliner. You can't even draw that shell trajectory on paper without revealing the stupid in it.

Learn how to RP already. Seriously, I'm not stopping you. Need some tips?

[Irona]

Your rhetoric and your actions are not aligned. Lots of people have tried to RP with you. But anything that doesn’t go perfectly for you is ‘ignore cannoned’ because it doesn’t fit your MarySue. Worse, to achieve your MarySue you’ve pushed incredibly unrealistic things though and ignored people’s criticism.

Your RPing with yourself. Your not letting anyone else RP with you. It’s boring and it’s absurd.

Nonsense.

I've RPed with Martune, Van Hool Islands, Roose, Archism, HoJ, and others in chamber debates, mock Twitter feuds, Daily Life dialogue, etc. I've allowed plausible things to happen, such as Ainin's shutdown of the telephony connection between my island and Galatea. I ran my character for the Tribunes with limited public appearances because his leg was blown off in a bombing pushed out by another player. I've even let other things affect my character, incrementally, such as the absolute lack of government response to a suicide bomber trying to kill two Senators, the discovery that there (still) isn't any laws or law enforcement, the absurdity of the efforts put into killing bills of righhts measures, and the absolutely toxic in game media environment of my character being constantly libeled and slandered as a homosexual WITH NOTHING OF THE KIND directed at Roose's openly gay Prime Minister character. Ever. Whatsover. Yep, My character has to put up with Truman's World level agitations at every step. I asked admins and players alike to stop using the game to harass me. When that didn't work, I took it in stride. I am interested in RP, with whoever wants to. I've been all take in that regard, from my character getting a leg blown off in a bombing, to having to debate mendacious word-twisters on the Senate floor, to realizing my character lives in a fucked-up nation that has quite many legitimate reasons to have a seperatist movement. Your attention span may vary.

So, I didn't allow you to fire a rocket propelled grenade with a 700 meter effective range over a hill, over a city and into a cruiseliner. You can't even draw that shell trajectory on paper without revealing the stupid in it.

Learn how to RP already. Seriously, I'm not stopping you. Need some tips?

1) The cruise liner was never stated to be in the city
2) Cruise liners typically don’t dock on ‘piers’ but in port. Non-industrial ports almost always are close to residential areas. EDIT: Even the photo for the port shows it right next to housing.
3) If you don’t want your ship sank you can just say. Ultimately it is your ship, but claiming ‘realism’ is false.
4) For the same reason OOC reason as you get to control your ship, I can control my characters.
5) But really the ships weren’t there in the first place anyway. If you want realism you can address that. And your hypocrisy on that issue is part of the problem.

[Malgrave]

^this. I find it the height of ridiculousness to even suggest that international entities of any kind will take a renegade state seriously enough to support it against a democratic nation that has recently held free and open elections. Cruise liners would never go to such a place, and even by some miracle that they did, the administration would be prosecuted for endangering the lives of their citizens. It doesn't matter whether NB thinks that he lives in a hippy libertarian wonderland of peace and prosperity, knowingly sending tourists into a separatist territory of a democratic state that is already facing blockades would be criminally negligent.

What blockades? What navy? What laws? What free elections? Galatea doesn't even have voter registration (yet) lol. No census to even lay the groundwork for taxation progressive or otherwise. Assuming even international recognition at this point is a massive godmod. Galatea has a history going back decades of brutal repression. And lately, more of the same, with apparently open markets for military equipment to get into civvie / terrorist hands. The only thing the Galatean gov should realistically be expecting from the international community is airstrikes on its uncontrolled military assets and ammo dumps.

Galatea has held free elections to appoint representatives to the House of Representatives and the House of Tribunes, so unless you want to claim that your own FIRE Party took part in rigged elections I don't know why you are contesting that we don't have free elections. Galatea's current situation was also negotiated by the European Union and the United Nations, and our international recognition is included in part of the history that was agreed upon by the players. You can't say that Galatea wouldn't be respected by the international community or that it would face military action because that flies against our established history.

Your right. Nobody can shoot the cruise ships. Because they didn't sail into a potential warzone.

Except there is no potentisl warzone ofher than one the Galatean gov is trying to create.

It would be viewed as an active or potential warzone by the international community and private industry because the succession of Pochenti is currently being disputed by the Galatean government. It's why no tourist company would travel to Pochenti because they don't want to put their customers and assets at risk.

No, godmodding is pretending Galatea has a government that can tell the international community what to do with air traffic, financial systems, trade, travel, etc. and not get a reaction somewhere between being laughed at and being told to go f*** itself and how, especially given the history laid out of Galatea that presumably the internatuonal community is keenly aware of. "Help shut down a peaceful separatist because the Junta isn't around to do it anymore? Sure, let's get right on that. Sorry ISIS hang on, those f***ing Galatean libertarians are getting uppity..." Please. Just stop.

Besides, there are other Galatean cities in the National Database listing themselves as cruiseliner ports. The only big deal? I guess I meant it when I wrote it. I'm sorry I'm not your obedient drone. You may notice that nobody else in the real world is either.

You are the only one that believes that your independence movement is peaceful, the fact that you have armed men roaming the streets and snipers on top of buildings presents an entirely different picture. Galatea is perfectly entitled to inform the international community of how to deal with a separatist movement that has threatened international shipping in the Mediterranean and threatened to plunge the region into violence once again. You are just going to have to deal with the fact that the Galatean government has seized your sovereign wealth fund and garnered the support of it's allies in the European Union.

[Nulla Bellum]

Nonsense.

I've RPed with Martune, Van Hool Islands, Roose, Archism, HoJ, and others in chamber debates, mock Twitter feuds, Daily Life dialogue, etc. I've allowed plausible things to happen, such as Ainin's shutdown of the telephony connection between my island and Galatea. I ran my character for the Tribunes with limited public appearances because his leg was blown off in a bombing pushed out by another player. I've even let other things affect my character, incrementally, such as the absolute lack of government response to a suicide bomber trying to kill two Senators, the discovery that there (still) isn't any laws or law enforcement, the absurdity of the efforts put into killing bills of righhts measures, and the absolutely toxic in game media environment of my character being constantly libeled and slandered as a homosexual WITH NOTHING OF THE KIND directed at Roose's openly gay Prime Minister character. Ever. Whatsover. Yep, My character has to put up with Truman's World level agitations at every step. I asked admins and players alike to stop using the game to harass me. When that didn't work, I took it in stride. I am interested in RP, with whoever wants to. I've been all take in that regard, from my character getting a leg blown off in a bombing, to having to debate mendacious word-twisters on the Senate floor, to realizing my character lives in a fucked-up nation that has quite many legitimate reasons to have a seperatist movement. Your attention span may vary.

So, I didn't allow you to fire a rocket propelled grenade with a 700 meter effective range over a hill, over a city and into a cruiseliner. You can't even draw that shell trajectory on paper without revealing the stupid in it.

Learn how to RP already. Seriously, I'm not stopping you. Need some tips?

1) The cruise liner was never stated to be in the city
2) Cruise liners typically don’t dock on ‘piers’ but in port. Non-industrial ports almost always are close to residential areas. EDIT: Even the photo for the port shows it right next to housing.

The Scandinavian Cruise Liners Amazing and Nova port at Dionysika, offloading some 11,000 international tourists and crews on to the Isle of Pochenti, indifferent to unenforced travel bans.

Your attention span may vary.

3) If you don’t want your ship sank you can just say. Ultimately it is your ship, but claiming ‘realism’ is false.
4) For the same reason OOC reason as you get to control your ship, I can control my characters.
5) But really the ships weren’t there in the first place anyway. If you want realism you can address that. And your hypocrisy on that issue is part of the problem.

If you're referring to the photo used in the database entry for Pochenti, you're describing what you see through a coffee straw. Yeah, a nice shot of beachhouses and nightclubs, yachts and schooners on the water. Wow, a two-dimensional view of a part of one side of city that doesn't show the cruiseliner port facilities. You know, with long causeways and piers to facilitate the boarding and offloading of thousands of tourists? The fueling depot? You're going to describe what my city looks like, what is where, and crimp it all into the max range of an RPG, fired in a parabolic arc even. Speaking of that apt definition of godmodding from earlier, why did you want to blow up a foreign cruiseliner exactly?

You couldn't TG me and say "Hey Nulla. I got this super crazy idea. Imagine there's this retard that's rich enough to live right on the resort section of Dionysika. I mean at least within 600 to 1400 feet from where cruise ships dock. No, no, it's okay maybe he's staying in a hotel there, right? So this wealthy retard lugs an RPG launcher into his high-price hotel room and..."

I could have spared you the public embarassment of pointing out the stupid.

[Irona]

1) The cruise liner was never stated to be in the city
2) Cruise liners typically don’t dock on ‘piers’ but in port. Non-industrial ports almost always are close to residential areas. EDIT: Even the photo for the port shows it right next to housing.

The Scandinavian Cruise Liners Amazing and Nova port at Dionysika, offloading some 11,000 international tourists and crews on to the Isle of Pochenti, indifferent to unenforced travel bans.

Your attention span may vary.

3) If you don’t want your ship sank you can just say. Ultimately it is your ship, but claiming ‘realism’ is false.
4) For the same reason OOC reason as you get to control your ship, I can control my characters.
5) But really the ships weren’t there in the first place anyway. If you want realism you can address that. And your hypocrisy on that issue is part of the problem.

If you're referring to the photo used in the database entry for Pochenti, you're describing what you see through a coffee straw. Yeah, a nice shot of beachhouses and nightclubs, yachts and schooners on the water. Wow, a two-dimensional view of a part of one side of city that doesn't show the cruiseliner port facilities. You know, with long causeways and piers to facilitate the boarding and offloading of thousands of tourists? The fueling depot? You're going to describe what my city looks like, what is where, and crimp it all into the max range of RPG. Speaking of that apt definition of godmodding from earlier, why did you want to blow up a foreign cruiseliner exactly?

You couldn't TG me and say "Hey Nulla. I got this super crazy idea. Imagine there's this retard that's rich enough to live right on the resort section of Dionysika. I mean at least within 600 to 1400 feet from where cruise ships dock. No, no, it's okay maybe he's staying in a hotel there, right? So this wealthy retard lugs an RPG launcher into his high-price hotel room and..."

I could have spared you the public embarassment of pointing out the stupid.

The irony is overwhelming