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Postby Socialist Nordia » Sat Feb 17, 2018 9:19 pm

Holy shit what did I miss?
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Postby Costa Fierro » Sat Feb 17, 2018 9:26 pm

Not going to sponsor because it could be construed as harassment.
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Postby NSG Senate Administrators » Sat Feb 17, 2018 10:01 pm

It appears the message has not sunk in.

Soviet Canuckistan, Juniklub, Galendia, and Van Hool Islands, you are all hereby WARNED for disobeying explicit admin instructions to cease discussion on this topic. It has gotten far beyond the point where it constitutes harassment and the NS mods have said so as well. We will continue to hand out warnings to anyone, on either side of the topic, who continues to press it.

Disclaimer: This decision is that solely of the NSG Senate Administrators, and its implications fall only within this RP. This decision does not reflect any stated opinion of the NS Moderation staff.

In case anyone needs a fresher-up on the warning system:
Warning Levels
Green - Level 1, equivalent to one warning
Blue - Level 2, equivalent to two warnings
Yellow - Level 3, denoting 1-3 days of suspension time total
Orange - Level 4, denoting 4+ days of suspension time total, and also denoting that the next offence will likely result in a ban
Black - banned from Senate

Further points:
After being suspended once, each subsequent infraction results in more suspensions (not necessarily of more time), not further warnings.
Posting past suspension results in an automatic upgrade to the next level of delinquency
Warning levels can decrease over time:
From Green to None: 2 weeks
From Blue to Green: 3 weeks
From Yellow to Blue: 5 weeks
From Orange to Yellow: 6 weeks
From Black to Orange: Admin discretion after 8 weeks

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Nulla Bellum
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Postby Nulla Bellum » Sat Feb 17, 2018 10:09 pm

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Replying to posts addressed to you is harrassment.

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Ikania
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Postby Ikania » Sat Feb 17, 2018 10:12 pm

I sponsor. I don't care for talk. A motion has been made and as to the effects that motion would have if carried out, I support those, nothing more and nothing less.
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Postby Kyrusia » Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:26 am

[violet] wrote:Harassment/Griefing: Harassing/griefing a nation or region because of their words or actions is forbidden regardless - in telegrams, Regional Messageboard (RMB) posts, and on the forums.
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Accusations of misconduct that may bring real world repercussions outside of NationStates do not belong in public spaces on NationStates and will be punished as harassment. Players may post, in general terms, about factual repercussions taken in response (I.e. removal from a region or regional position), but may not go into details or link to material that does.

Soviet Canuckistan: For one, you have no Mod-recognized authority to ban anyone from this thread. You are not the OP account (NSG Senate Administrators). Thread OPs - and only thread OPs - have the power to ban players from their threads; Moderation does not care if there is (or isn't) some thread- or player-group created protocol for how thread bans occur. If the OP wants them gone, they are gone; if they don't - "player-group protocol" or not - they're not.

Given it is absolutely no secret that people just got punished for this sort of behavior, and yet you went ahead here with identical behavior, we're going to be escalating straight to bans. *** 1-day ban for harassment. ***

Lamaredia: Similarly, we'll be escalating straight to bans: *** 1-day ban for harassment ***.

If you have any evidence that a player has committed an egregious offense against another player on NationStates, file a Getting Help Request. Do not discuss it on the forums. Do not discuss it on regional message boards. Do not field around accusations via telegrams. Fielding accusations of such serious offenses is harassment - be it one post or ten. Do not do it. If you wish to submit evidence of wrongdoing by a player on NationStates, again: file a GHR. Otherwise? There is no venue that is appropriate on this website to levy such egregious accusations, be they explicit or oblique, against another player.

Beyond this, if NSG Senate Administrators wishes to ban someone from their threads, NSG Senate Administrators can post such. Not an account by a user with access to it. The account "NSG Senate Administrators" explicitly. If you are a player who does not wish to be here and participate with another player for whatever reason, you don't have to participate in this thread at all; either way, this sort of behavior will not continue. If a ban against a player is executed by NSG Senate Administrators, they don't need to provide a reason, and any reason that might be posted most certainly will not include any content in it such as the removed posts, which is harassment.

This thread will be unlocked once the paperwork is done.
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Eleftheria i Thanatos
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Postby Eleftheria i Thanatos » Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:29 am

Bye Bye Senate.

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Coconut Isle
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Founded: Jun 15, 2014
Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Coconut Isle » Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:38 am

Hello, Electrum here.

I should firstly apologise that since my nomination to the NSGS admin team that I have disappeared out of nowhere, so I thought I should take the time to explain it. As I alluded to in my nomination thread, my brother is very sick, in ICU in fact, and has been since Jan 8. Added onto the fact that I've had to lug my laptop into the hospital waiting room to help run the Winter Olympics over on NS Sports (due to a pre-existing commitment I made in Dec), and helping my sister in law deal with social workers and doctors regarding forms that she needs to fill out for insurance/welfare/cutting utilities has meant that I have had little to no time for administration matters except for basically posting the threads that we're writing on right now. Again, I'm sorry that I made my inactivity unclear.

I feel like I don't have enough time or willpower at the moment to deal with the kerfluffle that has happened in these past few pages, so I recuse myself from decision making about this issue and let the other three or potentially four senate admins to deal with the matter. I trust that they will do a good job, and I support them in their actions, whatever it may be. I have a feeling though, positive times will be ahead for both this roleplay and my personal life, and I 100% fully intend to come back to a more active role and position when my brother's health improves (there are encouraging signs). Thank you.

PS: I will still be on discord and IRC, as well as telegram on Electrum, so please message me if you need me there.
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Ainin
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Postby Ainin » Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:45 am

I believe that Merizoc should recuse himself from the admin discussions since they are essentially appeals of his unilateral decisions.

I'll also have some additional information about the election process for the upper house available in this thread soon.
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Malgrave
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Postby Malgrave » Sun Feb 18, 2018 4:52 am

NSG Senate Administrators wrote:It appears the message has not sunk in.

Soviet Canuckistan, Juniklub, Galendia, and Van Hool Islands, you are all hereby WARNED for disobeying explicit admin instructions to cease discussion on this topic. It has gotten far beyond the point where it constitutes harassment and the NS mods have said so as well. We will continue to hand out warnings to anyone, on either side of the topic, who continues to press it.

Disclaimer: This decision is that solely of the NSG Senate Administrators, and its implications fall only within this RP. This decision does not reflect any stated opinion of the NS Moderation staff.

In case anyone needs a fresher-up on the warning system:
Warning Levels
Green - Level 1, equivalent to one warning
Blue - Level 2, equivalent to two warnings
Yellow - Level 3, denoting 1-3 days of suspension time total
Orange - Level 4, denoting 4+ days of suspension time total, and also denoting that the next offence will likely result in a ban
Black - banned from Senate

Further points:
After being suspended once, each subsequent infraction results in more suspensions (not necessarily of more time), not further warnings.
Posting past suspension results in an automatic upgrade to the next level of delinquency
Warning levels can decrease over time:
From Green to None: 2 weeks
From Blue to Green: 3 weeks
From Yellow to Blue: 5 weeks
From Orange to Yellow: 6 weeks
From Black to Orange: Admin discretion after 8 weeks


Who made this decision? I thought all Admins were supposed to sign off on their posts? :eyebrow:
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House of Judah
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Postby House of Judah » Sun Feb 18, 2018 4:58 am

I think we need to start making confidence votes for admins. The appointment until I resign started has not been working well. At a minimum, I say at the beginning of an iteration each admin gets voted on and there after, one every month on a rotating basis.

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Malgrave
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Postby Malgrave » Sun Feb 18, 2018 5:01 am

House of Judah wrote:I think we need to start making confidence votes for admins. The appointment until I resign started has not been working well. At a minimum, I say at the beginning of an iteration each admin gets voted on and there after, one every month on a rotating basis.


I agree.
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Martune
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Postby Martune » Sun Feb 18, 2018 6:40 am

House of Judah wrote:I think we need to start making confidence votes for admins. The appointment until I resign started has not been working well. At a minimum, I say at the beginning of an iteration each admin gets voted on and there after, one every month on a rotating basis.

Agreed.
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Founded: Jan 20, 2011
Anarchy

Postby Zurkerx » Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:35 am

Alright, there are several things that we are discussing on what has transpired over the last several days and what has been proposed. We understand there is distrust and anger towards the admin, and we hope to alleviate that when we post addressing these underlining issues. We'll get back to you as soon as we have reached our decision.


Also, the vote to confirm the next admin has started. Please go and cast your vote!

Edit: I will mention that Merizoc posted the warnings. It was only discussed by me and Merizoc, with MV contributing after the warnings were posted. I was the one that allowed the go ahead for the warnings, a move I realize was a mistake, a fault I will take the blame for. In this regard, we'll look into overturning these warnings given it fails to surpass 50-50.
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Postby Maklohi Vai » Sun Feb 18, 2018 7:44 pm

Brief update: admins are nearing a decision and a longer explanation. This hopefully will be posted within 48 hours but I can't make any guarantees. Some of you have messaged us to express your concerns or thoughts, and we welcome any and all who wish to do so.
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Postby Roosevetania » Mon Feb 19, 2018 9:38 am

Maklohi Vai wrote:Brief update: admins are nearing a decision and a longer explanation. This hopefully will be posted within 48 hours but I can't make any guarantees. Some of you have messaged us to express your concerns or thoughts, and we welcome any and all who wish to do so.

48 hours. . . hmm, by admin time, that's about a week. :p
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Postby Martune » Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:47 pm

Did that man blow up the restaurant or is he waiting
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Postby Collatis » Mon Feb 19, 2018 1:30 pm

Martune wrote:Did that man blow up the restaurant or is he waiting

Malgrave wrote:in the spur of the moment he just decided to detonate the explosives in his backpack and wrapped around his body

Sounds like your senator just went boom.

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Postby Nulla Bellum » Mon Feb 19, 2018 2:03 pm

Martune wrote:Did that man blow up the restaurant or is he waiting


Can survive if you wish, my character did. Woohoo we're famous now ;)
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Postby Malgrave » Mon Feb 19, 2018 2:25 pm

I don't think you can survive two explosions by hiding behind a desk.
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Postby Nulla Bellum » Mon Feb 19, 2018 2:40 pm

Malgrave wrote:I don't think you can survive two explosions by hiding behind a desk.


That's the spirit. Get the press calling it a miracle.
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Postby Martune » Mon Feb 19, 2018 3:02 pm

Malgrave wrote:I don't think you can survive two explosions by hiding behind a desk.

We’re talking real authentic thick wood. I’m think I’m good. Quit tryna kill us
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Postby MERIZoC » Mon Feb 19, 2018 3:26 pm

Malgrave wrote:I don't think you can survive two explosions by hiding behind a desk.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/20_July_plot

close enough
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Postby Nulla Bellum » Mon Feb 19, 2018 4:22 pm

Martune wrote:
Malgrave wrote:I don't think you can survive two explosions by hiding behind a desk.

We’re talking real authentic thick wood. I’m think I’m good. Quit tryna kill us


Surviving assassination attempts is better than actually paying for the press coverage of your political beliefs. A thug from the old regime tried to kill two Senators that were working on codifying the rights of the people. Get in front of the cameras man
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Postby Martune » Mon Feb 19, 2018 9:22 pm

Fake news media trying to bring me down. Sad!
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