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Yes, a presidential recommendation.

Ainin wrote:Yes, a presidential recommendation.

Oh, because of the silly clause that stops bills from actually being submitted. Great. Guess we'll neither have an armed forces or a police force.

Also, the National Police Service has already been established by the Justice Department Act.

Costa Fierro wrote:

Ainin wrote:Yes, a presidential recommendation.

Oh, because of the silly clause that stops bills from actually being submitted. Great. Guess we'll neither have an armed forces or a police force.

If you don't want to play by the rules you can leave the RP.

Costa Fierro wrote:

Ainin wrote:Yes, a presidential recommendation.

Oh, because of the silly clause that stops bills from actually being submitted. Great. Guess we'll neither have an armed forces or a police force.

Yes, because it is obviously such a large effort to contact Ainin to get assent

Van Hool Islands wrote:

Costa Fierro wrote:
Oh, because of the silly clause that stops bills from actually being submitted. Great. Guess we'll neither have an armed forces or a police force.

If you don't want to play by the rules you can leave the RP.

No, you do what I tell you to do.

Lamaredia wrote:

Costa Fierro wrote:
Oh, because of the silly clause that stops bills from actually being submitted. Great. Guess we'll neither have an armed forces or a police force.

Yes, because it is obviously such a large effort to contact Ainin to get assent

I don't need assent. You need to pass it.

Need to pass a bill that reestablishes an already reestablished national police?

House of Judah wrote:Need to pass a bill that reestablishes an already reestablished national police?

Perhaps then it should clarify the powers and responsibilities of police?

Costa Fierro wrote:

House of Judah wrote:Need to pass a bill that reestablishes an already reestablished national police?

Perhaps then it should clarify the powers and responsibilities of police?

That is a bill we could use.

In light of recent developments, here is the still under construction "Police Powers and Responsibilities Act":

Police Powers and Responsibilities Act
Author: Antonis Pallis (GAP)
Sponsors:

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An Act to delineate the powers, rules and responsibilities of the National Police of Galatea.

BE IT THEREFORE ENACTED, as follows:

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§1 - Powers of Detention

1. Hereby allows the National Police of Galatea to detain individuals who have been suspected of committing a crime, reported to have committed a crime by a member of the public or who have been witnessed by an active duty police officer committing a crime.
2. The National Police of Galatea shall detain individuals for a maximum of 72 hours without being charged of a crime.
3. The National Police of Galatea may detain a person the maximum detention period through a court declaration allowing them to do so.
4. The National Police of Galatea must present a convincing argument that they have credible reason to do so, i.e they are close to obtaining evidence that may lead to criminal charges being laid.
5. The National Police of Galatea may not arbitrarily detain individuals who have not committed crimes, who have not been reported to have committed a crime, or an active duty officer has not witnessed them commiting a crime.
6. Officers who are detaining individuals must state why the individual is being detained.
7. Officers who are detaining individuals must state that the individual being detained is not under arrest.
8. Records of detention must be kept by the National Police of Galatea. Detentions must not be added to the criminal record of individuals.

§2 - Powers of Arrest

1. Hereby allows the National Police of Galatea to arrest individuals who have committed a crime or on reasonable grounds that a person has committed a crime, or is about to commit a crime.
2. Clarifies reasonable suspicion as "a reasonable amount of suspicion, supported by circumstances sufficiently strong to justify a prudent and cautious person's belief that certain facts are probably true".
3. Furthermore allows active duty officers of the National Police of Galatea to arrest individuals in possession of illegal contraband, narcotics, weapons or other property in contravention of relevant laws within the Civil Code.
4. Active duty officers who are arresting individuals who have committed a crime, are arresting individuals on reasonable grounds of committing a crime or individuals who are in possession of illegal, dangerous or otherwise offensive property and other such articles must read the individual their rights, including the right to remain silent and the right to legal representation.
5. Active duty officers who are making an arrest of an individual are required to verbally state what crime the individual has committed.
6. Active duty officers who are making an arrest of an individual may use physical and non-lethal force if an individual is resisting arrest within reason.
7. Clarifies within reason as "force that does not unduly cause injury or other harm to the individual".

§3 - Powers of Custody

1. Hereby creates the legal ability for the National Police of Galatea to place individuals in their custody.
2. Active duty police officers may place individuals into their custody if the individual is a legally-defined child who is lost, an individual who is about to cause injury to themselves or others outside of committing criminal activity and other instances where an individual may be put at risk to health and life.
3. Active duty police officers have full discretion to make the decision to place someone in custody independent of court-issued permission.
4. Individuals in the custody of the National Police of Galatea may be permitted to be kept in the custody of the National Police of Galatea for up to 48 hours before being released from custody.

§4 - Powers of Search

1. Hereby grants permission for the National Police of Galatea to search individuals and the property of individuals, companies, and institutions for evidence that links inviduals, companies, orgqanisations, and institutions to a crime, further evidence proving their culpability, or to search for illegal property, contrabant and other such offensive items, property and articles.
2. An active duty police officer may search an individual's clothing on the grounds of reasonable suspicion that an individual has committed a crime, that an individual is about to commit a crime or that an individual has been witnessed by an active duty officer committing a crime.
3. An active duty police officer may search an individual's vehicle on the grounds of reasonable suspicion that an individual has committed a crime, that an individual is about to commit a crime, or that an individual has been witnessed by an active duty officer committing a crime.
4. Any items of interest to the active duty police officer conducting the search may be seized immediately.
5. Furthermore adds to the above that no court-issued search warrants are required for an individual to have themselves or their vehicle searched.
6. The National Police of Galatea may search the property of an individual, company, organisation or institution in order to find evidence of a crime being committed, to further an ongoing investigation into an individual, company or institution suspected of having committed a crime, or to seize property and finances of individuals, companies and institutions known to be committed crimes or have committed crimes.
7. Searches of property belonging to an individual, company, organisation, and institution must be legally carried out with a search warrant obtained from a court of law.
8. The National Police of Galatea must justify the search and present a compelling case to the court explaining why they are conducting the search and how it will benefit the prosecution of an individual, company, organisation, or institution or contribute to the safety of the citizens of Galatea.
9. Any items of interest or targeted property and finances of interest to the National Police of Galatea may be seized immediately.

§5 - Powers of Seizure

1. Hereby allows the National Police of Galatea to seize property and finances of individuals, companies, organisations and institutions during searches of an individual's body and vehicle, or searches of property belonging to an individual, company, organisation or institution.
2. Property and finances that are seized may be used as evidence in a court of law.
3. Property and finances that are not used in a court of law but are otherwise illegal may be sold on by the National Police of Galatea or disposed of in an appropriate manner.
4. Individuals, companies, organisations, and instututions may forfeit property to the National Police of Galatea if that property is seized.
5. Forfeiture of seized property may be granted by court ruling or if an individual that was in possession of, or had property seized that belonged to them, is sentenced to prison.

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Costa Fierro wrote:

Van Hool Islands wrote:If you don't want to play by the rules you can leave the RP.

No, you do what I tell you to do.

Lamaredia wrote:Yes, because it is obviously such a large effort to contact Ainin to get assent

I don't need assent. You need to pass it.

Or maybe, just maybe, you can take your head out of your ass and follow the rules that the other members here have all agreed upon when voting for the GEA? I don't care about your overblown ego, but you're not above the rules no matter what you want to think.

Lamaredia wrote:

Costa Fierro wrote:
No, you do what I tell you to do.



I don't need assent. You need to pass it.

Or maybe, just maybe, you can take your head out of your ass and follow the rules that the other members here have all agreed upon when voting for the GEA? I don't care about your overblown ego, but you're not above the rules no matter what you want to think.

It's a simple request.

Costa Fierro wrote:

Lamaredia wrote:Or maybe, just maybe, you can take your head out of your ass and follow the rules that the other members here have all agreed upon when voting for the GEA? I don't care about your overblown ego, but you're not above the rules no matter what you want to think.

It's a simple request.

A simple request that you've been informed, time and time again, not only by me but by other members of the RP, won't be realized. There are rules, you are not exempt from them simply because you want to be.

Either do it right, or don't. I won't table any money bill that hasn't been given assent by the current president, Ainin.

The supply in confidence and supply stands for appropriations. You need a presidential recommendation for a bill that appropriates money because the failure of such a bill would be a vote of no confidence in the government. If anyone could submit an appropriations bill, the government would literally be unable to vote against without removing itself from office, which would make no sense.

Lamaredia wrote:

Costa Fierro wrote:
It's a simple request.

A simple request that you've been informed, time and time again, not only by me but by other members of the RP, won't be realized. There are rules, you are not exempt from them simply because you want to be.

Either do it right, or don't. I won't table any money bill that hasn't been given assent by the current president, Ainin.

My request is simple and reasonable. Yours is not.

Costa Fierro wrote:

Lamaredia wrote:A simple request that you've been informed, time and time again, not only by me but by other members of the RP, won't be realized. There are rules, you are not exempt from them simply because you want to be.

Either do it right, or don't. I won't table any money bill that hasn't been given assent by the current president, Ainin.

My request is simple and reasonable. Yours is not.

My request that you follow the rules is not reasonable? The rules are there because the rest of the RP decided that they would be. You are not above the rules that we decided upon.

Costa Fierro wrote:

Lamaredia wrote:A simple request that you've been informed, time and time again, not only by me but by other members of the RP, won't be realized. There are rules, you are not exempt from them simply because you want to be.

Either do it right, or don't. I won't table any money bill that hasn't been given assent by the current president, Ainin.

My request is simple and reasonable. Yours is not.

You are just wasting time now with no real purpose. The bill will not be brought to the floor in its current form.

Not the right place for this

Martune wrote:Not the right place for this

We're discussing a bill before it's in the Chamber, so it definitely is.

Tectonix wrote:

Costa Fierro wrote:
My request is simple and reasonable. Yours is not.

You are just wasting time now with no real purpose. The bill will not be brought to the floor in its current form.

Then accept that we have a standing armed forces.

Just remove the funding clause. We're not going to change how parliamentary government works because of your personal incredulity.

Ainin wrote:The supply in confidence and supply stands for appropriations. You need a presidential recommendation for a bill that appropriates money because the failure of such a bill would be a vote of no confidence in the government. If anyone could submit an appropriations bill, the government would literally be unable to vote against without removing itself from office, which would make no sense.

No. Accept that we have a standing armed forces.

Literally all precedent says the opposite.

Even if we did, I would be the commander in chief. I hereby dissolve it.

Ainin wrote:Literally all precedent says the opposite.

Even if we did, I would be the commander in chief. I hereby dissolve it.

Precedents are a terrible excuse. And that would be godmodding.

Costa Fierro wrote:

Ainin wrote:Literally all precedent says the opposite.

Even if we did, I would be the commander in chief. I hereby dissolve it.

Precedents are a terrible excuse. And that would be godmodding.

I think unilaterally ignoring the laws would be godmodding.