The Senate Lobby: Fake News Lives Here

[Lykens]

Bit late ike

[Roosevetania]

Bit late ike

shhh

[Paketo]

I believe the live ammunition part is justified to ignore. Suddenly they were using live ammunition giving no chance for RP on crowds dispersing in reaction to the riot control or other such reactions. It was much too sudden.

It was a reasonable response to a bunch of random gunmen appearing literally out of someone's rear end and taking over half the city. If people won't reasonably RP the riots forming, then they shouldn't expect the police response to follow every step of escalation. And it remains that ignoring the police is fundamentally forbidden.

He did not make a distinction on using live ammo on gunmen. He simply stated the police used live ammo on everyone. There should obviously be a chance given for rioters to respond to the police's riot control tactics prior to the use of live ammunition and the main body of rioters also should be able to respond to the gangs turning on each other.

[Ainin]

Let's just say that everything about these riots have been poorly roleplayed. I can't speak for Costa, but I won't be responding to any more magical rioters taking over half the city with no prior mobilisation and no apparent justification. This isn't The Purge, that's not how riots work.

[Paketo]

Let's just say that everything about these riots have been poorly roleplayed. I can't speak for Costa, but I won't be responding to any more magical rioters taking over half the city with no prior mobilisation and no apparent justification. This isn't The Purge, that's not how riots work.

I totally agree with that would've wanted to give a paragraph or two on my thing but there was little to go with what was happening with the riots beside they were occurring.

[Roosevetania]

People don't dissolve into anarchy just because they can

Mass looting and vandalism just because the power was out.

[Western Pacific Territories]

Okay, so... we're impeaching the President now?

[Anere]

Okay, so... we're impeaching the President now?

Which President?

[House of Judah]

Constitutional Assembly App
Candidate Name: Abraham Sands
Bio: Abraham Sands, son of Joshua Sands and Chandra Bhattacharya, is a native of Maabara. His parents, a third generation British-Jew expat and a second generation Bengali immigrant, were both educators (chemistry and mathematics, respectively). Following the coup in 1982, his father was arrested for being a dissident during the repression of intellectuals while Chandra took Abraham and the two went into hiding. His father would die three years later.

Abraham grew to maturity in a village where his mother became the local school teacher. When civil war broke out in 1994, he acquiesced to his mother’s begging that he not join in with the fighting and became another teacher in the village. He was unwilling to watch the fighting without his aid, however, and he began discreetly funneling supplies and providing hiding places for anti-government guerillas. In 1996 he married the daughter of the village rabbi, Rebecca Lytle.

In 2004, he took over administration of the village school as head teacher. Since the ceasefire in 2014, he has become an advocate for education spending, particularly in maths and sciences.
1-2 Paragraph Platform: The creation of a constitution is our chance to ensure that our nation will be ruled by laws enacted through careful consideration, supported by facts, and motivated by a strong moral code. It is paramount that we ensure that in our new constitution, the rights of our people are protected by law and that protection is enforced by a strong judiciary. We must ensure that the law is applied equally and evenly across all peoples within our nation and any constitution that I put before our nation will have language specifically ensuring this.

Every system has its flaws, but the presidential system’s predilection for falling into paralysis and inaction is in my opinion the far more dangerous situation. It is my intention to advocate that a parliamentary democracy be established in Fernão, both on a national and state level, with a proportional electoral system that ensures the will of our people determines the composition of our parliaments.

[Paketo]

Might as well have a local government advocate added to the constitutional assembly

Constitutional Assembly App
Candidate Name: Noah Johansson
Bio: Noah Johansson, born 1969 to Fernoãn exiles, is a native of Rhodesia. They would flee Rhodesia to South Africa in 1975 to escape the end of the bush war and possible execution of whites. His father, a veteran of Korean War serving in her majesty's armed forces, taught him how to handle weapons and defend himself at a early age.

At 18, he joined the military serving for 7 years before the ANC took power in South Africa. He would leave the Army in that year of 1994 and join the PMC executive outcomes. He would take part in operations in Sierra Leone in 1995 helping the government fight rebel forces until International pressure forced Sierra Leone to cancel the contract. During this time, he would attend courses at a local university earning a degree in political Science. After the dissolution of EO in 1998, Noah would come to the homeland of his parents as a hired gun for several western backed rebel groups. He would continue his work until the eventual peace deal over a decade later.

After the civil war, he would settle down in a small fishing village in Caroliza, Ferdinand and marry a local woman. His experience over the years had taught him one thing, absolute power corrupts absolutely. He become a very strong supporter of Local government decreasing the power of a federal government and giving it to the states and free cities.
1-2 Paragraph Platform: Johansson is running on a platform to establish a confederal republic where the powers of the Federal government will be clearly outlined and the states granted more power to do what is needed for their residents. Johannson supports establishing term limits of the higher offices of Fernão where a President can not hold office for three consecutive terms.

[Roosevetania]

Okay, so... we're impeaching the President now?

Why would we? Oh, if you mean Beta, not Sarian, I'm not opposed.

[New World Oceania]

Constitutional Assembly App
Candidate Name: Caterina Benitez
Bio: Caterina Benitez is a Fernãoan economist. Benitez was born in Babri and studied macroeconomics and econometrics in the US and UK. In 2002, she quit her job as an investment banker to focus on academic economics. In 2009, Benitez returned to Fernão. She currently reviews the Fernão Econometrics Journal.

1-2 Paragraph Platform: Benitez will work for a Constitution better geared toward Fernão's diverse nature. She intends to seek strong state governments, a bicameral legislature, and a semi-presidential executive. She firmly believes that states should have more control over the court system.

[Socialist Nordia]

Since we're a bit short on constitutional assembly apps, I'll submit one.

Constitutional Assembly App
Candidate Name: Patricía Garcia
Bio: Patricía Garcia was a college activist at the University of Mococa when the regime had solidified its power. She quite often ran into trouble with authorities, and once spent the night in jail following an anti-government protest. It was clear she was not safe after publishing an anti-government editorial in the school newspaper, so she fled, and was granted refugee status in France. She continued to be a critic of the government from abroad until the peace that arrived in 2015. She swiftly returned to Fernão, celebrating the liberation of her country. Soon enough, she managed to receive employment as a journalist for Fernão Today.
1-2 Paragraph Platform: The ideal government structure is one which the legislature is in control. A parliamentary system would be optimal. A unicameral legislature would be preferred, and proportional representation, specifically MMP, would be the ideal voting system. New Guernsey and other distinct regions should be given a degree of autonomy.

Voting rights should be granted to every Fernãoan over the age of 16 (excluding anyone who served in the regime's military or government), and the constitution must make voting as easy as possible, with early voting, vote by mail, and automatic voter registration. In addition, a bill of rights should not just include negative, but also positive rights. Rights to basic healthcare and standard of living should be guaranteed.

[All Lukania]

Constitutional Assembly App
Candidate Name: Domingos Magalhães
Bio: Domingos Magalhães (b. 6th April, 1976), was born in Ferdinand and lived through the tail end of Communism in Fernão, the Soetoro regime, the civil war and the reconstruction. He kept his head down and quietly studied law at the University of Novo Sagres in Tâmega district, later teaching the same subject at the same university. He served as a judge in the court system of the local relatively democratic regime during the civil war, but since the end of the civil war the judges have yet to be appointed and Domingos has been working as a public speaker.
1-2 Paragraph Platform: Magalhães is a centralist, who seeks to establish a strong government at the national level for Fernão. He supports a unicameral parliamentary legislative elected by a proportional system of some kind. He does not support the existence of a figurehead president, calling it a waste of resources. Instead, Magalhães seeks to combine head of government and head of state in the position of Prime Minister. Magalhães hopes to have a number of civil rights enshrined in the new constitution, including freedom of marriage, though he is a controversial proponent of the death penalty in extreme cases and will seek to make this possible in the new constitution.

[Lykens]

You know what, I'm quite sick and fucking tired of it.

There was a communication error between Presidents of the Senate and the President of Fernão, and a mistake was fucking made.

I was told that I was a nominee, I went through the proper procedures of the nomination.

I'm not going to let this be an IC and OOC cudgel that Heraklea and Co can whip around whenever they feel like opposing whatever the fuck I do. It's disgusting behavior and it's just the type of behavior he claims to be above, and yet continues to make the environment which we RP toxic by allowing IC issues to bleed into OOC behavior towards one another.

It's sickening and as an someone who is so high and mighty about defending the environment of the Senate from 'toxic' individuals like NWO, it's hypocritical and I've had more than fucking enough.

[House of Judah]

Oh please, that's just heckling and a lot more mild than the way you've been treating anyone who hasn't done your bidding throughout this iteration. You started complaining about obstructionism OOCly because Collatis was no longer willing to blindly go along with expediting every single bill. When he stepped down and SocNord replaced him, we went along with proceeding to executive session without the committee hearings because we agreed we had fallen down on that front and should have had our act together, then voted down the most out there nominees and approving other more reasonably candidates and you started bitching again. You've refused anyone access to your election scorinator, even when it was giving vastly unreasonable results and a number of people asked you to let them poke around and see how it works. To make matters worse on that front, you've run your own campaign using the system, despite having a unique advantage of understanding all the mechanics behind the system. So what that you were not actively judging your own contest. You still have intimate knowledge of how the system works that no one else had an opportunity to look at. When questioned, you've only ever responded with hostility and sarcasm, proclaimed that allowing us to see the inner workings would allows us to game the system. Then hypocritically participated in your own game even though, as you yourself noted, knowing the inner workings of the scorinator would allow you to game the system and ensure your own victory.

And you have the damn gall to say that we are the ones you making the environment toxic?

[Lykens]

If you can't separate my IC complaints about obstruction which are more than likely overblown for IC and political reasons, then you really need to figure out how an RP works.

And post from the Department of Elections has never been from me, and never have I ever inputted data into the spreadsheet. There are posts about how the formula works, and you won't even participate in the god damn thing because NWO is apart of it, so please save me the obligatory we as a community must exclude her bullshit please.

[Roosevetania]

You know what, I'm quite sick and fucking tired of it.

There was a communication error between Presidents of the Senate and the President of Fernão, and a mistake was fucking made.

I was told that I was a nominee, I went through the proper procedures of the nomination.

I'm not going to let this be an IC and OOC cudgel that Heraklea and Co can whip around whenever they feel like opposing whatever the fuck I do. It's disgusting behavior and it's just the type of behavior he claims to be above, and yet continues to make the environment which we RP toxic by allowing IC issues to bleed into OOC behavior towards one another.

It's sickening and as an someone who is so high and mighty about defending the environment of the Senate from 'toxic' individuals like NWO, it's hypocritical and I've had more than fucking enough.

Oh please, that's just heckling and a lot more mild than the way you've been treating anyone who hasn't done your bidding throughout this iteration. You started complaining about obstructionism OOCly because Collatis was no longer willing to blindly go along with expediting every single bill. When he stepped down and SocNord replaced him, we went along with proceeding to executive session without the committee hearings because we agreed we had fallen down on that front and should have had our act together, then voted down the most out there nominees and approving other more reasonably candidates and you started bitching again. You've refused anyone access to your election scorinator, even when it was giving vastly unreasonable results and a number of people asked you to let them poke around and see how it works. To make matters worse on that front, you've run your own campaign using the system, despite having a unique advantage of understanding all the mechanics behind the system. So what that you were not actively judging your own contest. You still have intimate knowledge of how the system works that no one else had an opportunity to look at. When questioned, you've only ever responded with hostility and sarcasm, proclaimed that allowing us to see the inner workings would allows us to game the system. Then hypocritically participated in your own game even though, as you yourself noted, knowing the inner workings of the scorinator would allow you to game the system and ensure your own victory.

And you have the damn gall to say that we are the ones you making the environment toxic?

Guys, come on. Everyone knows that the environment in this iteration has been quite toxic. But no single person is to blame for this. We've all contributed to this. We've all let IC bleed into OOC way too much. (INCLUDING MYSELF!) Both sides have made mistakes, and both sides are guilty of making a big deal out of everything. Can we please, please, stop this bickering, and leave all these accusations behind. This is making the RP not fun. Let's just stop, and put it behind us. Please.

[House of Judah]

Your complaints have been all over the IRC and the Lobby, so spare please spare us the protestations of IC behavior. It hasn't been exclusively IC. It has permeated everything, and you've had your puppets parrot the bullshit often enough throughout.

And I did participate in the Department of Elections until YOU, yes you, declared that no one could be allowed to see the scorinator because it would allow them to game the system. Then participated in the game yourself.

[Lykens]

Any complaints about obstruction on the IRC to collatis were made in jest and he is aware. Thank you for being the clairvoyant no one asked for.

And no, I did not. Again the post was made from the Department of Elections account, and was not made by me.

[House of Judah]

It was made by you but since that thread was for the local municipality election thread which has since been auto-pruned, it is now gone. Bully for you.

[New World Oceania]

It was made by you but since that thread was for the local municipality election thread which has since been auto-pruned, it is now gone. Bully for you.

Lykens only assists in elections in an advisory role. He is effectively a one-man focus group. I'm currently the only one with access to the Department of Elections account, and Lykens has never had access to it. So, Lykens has never known how the spreadsheet works anymore than has been posted on the forums. People who have any nominal knowledge of the spreadsheet — which is being decommissioned, by the way — either don't participate in competetive races or don't participate in the Senate anymore. I take the blame for any confusion and apologize.

On a different note, I'd like to ask the Admins to appoint a head admin other than Zurk. I'm sure he's effective at being a regular admin, but he isn't active enough to resolve disputes like the ones ongoing right now in the same way MV could.

[MERIZoC]

Zurk is the only person, for a number of reasons, who could reasonably be head admin. That's not changing.

That said, let's try to work out some of these issues.

Lykens, Judah, I see no reason why these spats have to happen, but please just take them to TG if they do. I'm not sure what Lykens' "sick and tired" post is in response to, but in any case, it should be a moot point. There was a communication error and there's really no need to bring up that vote again, ICly and OOCly.

DoE is also pretty irrelevant, as it has no actual impact on the RP, beyond what you choose. Personally, in the past I've just fire my own personal little ignore cannon at the decisions it's made and carry on with how I want to RP my character. If you don't like how its scored, or that Lykens has "inside knowledge", don't pay attention to it

[New World Oceania]

DoE is being archived, by the way. It's too difficult to reliably manage and in my opinion we'd do better with an interactive map and people claiming constituencies as usual.

[The Sarian]

I'm sorry Lykens. I honestly believe it was deliberate. There were four occasions - three very explicit - before the vote started and two before the debate started. And the entire debate happened whilst I was sleeping, something you would have known. If I hadn't been freakishly awake at 4 am, you would have gotten away with it. I know we don't let our IC feuds mess with our OOC relationship, but I honestly believe that this was deliberate and malicious.

And on the admin ruling that we can't bring the vote up again - there was real, legitimate OOC misunderstanding during the first Presidential election and me attempting election fraud is ICly allowed. Why is there one rule for one person and another rule for someone else?