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Postby House of Judah » Fri Jun 23, 2017 5:19 pm

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House of Judah wrote:I get that, but we could be preparing right now and possibly get things done faster if we have the actual list and the applicable reports now, rather than later.


that is a valid point

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Postby Roosevetania » Fri Jun 23, 2017 5:26 pm

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Roosevetania wrote:By the way, the Watts riots are different from the Rodney King riots.


Okay, I have always heard that riot as the Watts Riot. I did not know it was actually the Rodney King Riots

That's fine, the Watts riots were in '65 and were incited by the arrest of black people and rumors that police had "roughed up" the people they arrested. The '92 LA riots were incited by the police beating of Rodney King.
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Postby Paketo » Fri Jun 23, 2017 5:49 pm

okay, isn't this too early to start rping using live ammo on the rioters??? Also again, we don't have a military.
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Postby Ainin » Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:46 pm

Lykens wrote:If we're going to riot please make the posts of better quality than a paragraph or a single line. Not talking to anyone in particular, but I know because we're in F7 and attention spans are fleeting we're more inclined to do the bare minimum. If you guys want to go further with the lack of judges and stuff, be my guest, but make it enjoyable for people by putting in the effort, don't make it not fun by burning down a city in a two line post and ruin everything for everyone.


Please and thank you.

Agreed. I'm going to start ignoring poorly-RPed giant mobs that suddenly appear out of nowhere and take over the entire city.
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Postby Malgrave » Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:02 pm

Ainin wrote:Agreed. I'm going to start ignoring poorly-RPed giant mobs that suddenly appear out of nowhere and take over the entire city.


same here.
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Postby Ainin » Fri Jun 23, 2017 8:01 pm

You can't ignore-cannon the police, according to precedent that dates all the way back to Aurentina.
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Postby Malgrave » Fri Jun 23, 2017 8:08 pm

Ainin wrote:You can't ignore-cannon the police, according to precedent that dates all the way back to Aurentina.


but you can ignore-cannon the non-existent military.
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Postby Paketo » Fri Jun 23, 2017 8:14 pm

Ainin wrote:You can't ignore-cannon the police, according to precedent that dates all the way back to Aurentina.


I believe the live ammunition part is justified to ignore. Suddenly they were using live ammunition giving no chance for RP on crowds dispersing in reaction to the riot control or other such reactions. It was much too sudden.
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Postby Natanians and Nosts » Fri Jun 23, 2017 9:05 pm

I am new here and may look like a fool asking:why do we have to nominate the judges,shouldn't the Judiciary be independent and the Legislative just act with the Justice Department and the like?
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Postby Lykens » Fri Jun 23, 2017 9:07 pm

Natanians and Nosts wrote:I am new here and may look like a fool asking:why do we have to nominate the judges,shouldn't the Judiciary be independent and the Legislative just act with the Justice Department and the like?

The judiciary is an independent branch in our system or checks and balances.
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Candidate Name: Patricio Magrina
Bio: Patricio Magrina (Born 30 September 1982) is a prominent Fernese medial practitioner who has served as the chief doctor of St Leo’s War Memorial Hospital since 2006. Born in Senet, Ferdinand, Magrina studied at Kings College before graduating, where he moved to Fortaleza to study medicine and surgery at the University of Fernao. Whilst he studied at the University of Fernao, Magrina stayed at St Emmanuel’s College as a resident, where he began to experiment with his sexuality and his core personal values. Magrina came out as a homosexual and was in a same-sex relationship with another boarder during his residence at St Emmanuel’s but kept his sexual orientation a close kept secret between his closest circles.

After graduating from the University of Fernao, Magrina found employment working for St Leo’s War Memorial Hospital as a resident doctor, where he would work up the hospital’s ranks whilst assisting the Indian led United Nations intervention. In 2012, Magrina met his now partner Emmanuel Carvallo, who at the time was a corporate lawyer and economist who graduated from the University of Cambridge with a Bachelor of Economics and a Juris Doctor. It is said that the pair met each other at a gentlemen’s club in upper Fortaleza through an arranged date by mutual friends.

In 2016, Carvallo proposed to Magrina despite same-sex marriage being outlawed in the country. After saying yes, Magrina promised Carvallo that they will be together forever and that they will marry if legislation is enacted to permit same-sex marriage in the nation. Magrina was a vital part of Carvallo’s campaign to become the Senator for Cordogena and President of the Federal Republic, with the pair both being card carrying members to this current day.

After the election of Princilla Krishnan as President of the Federal Republic in 2017, Magrinia was nominated to become the Secretary of Health and Labour whilst his fiancé Emmanuel Carvallo remains in the legislature as the Chief Whip of Civic Union.
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Candidate Name: Alberte Paus dos Reis (née Nielsen-Aaen)
Bio: Alberte Paus dos Reis (b. 10 July 1993, Melbourne) is a Fernãoense law student and housewife. Born in Australia to Danish-Fernãoense expatriates of the former colonial élite, she did not visit Fernão until coming of age, but has nevertheless professed a lifelong affection for her parents’ native landscapes, as revealed by her discreet involvement in literary circles encouraging the use of the Danish language in Fernão. She has, furthermore, exhibited a penchant for Christian traditionalism, marrying the reactionary patrician Frederik Paus dos Reis at the age of 19; but this marriage, along with undisclosed ‘cardiac issues’, has relegated her to the private realm. She is expected to conclude her LLB in 2018.

The minutiæ of her convictions are not known; she is merely the wife of a senator, not a lawmaker in her own right. But it is believed that her views are, in general terms, close to those of her husband, who has been variously caricatured as a ‘Nordo-Iberian supremacist’, ‘insufferable poet-deacon’, and ‘hapless defender of “civilising” missions’; a profound aversion to secularism ― or, in broad terms, anything non-Christian ― is an acknowledged predisposition of the clan in question, and Mrs Paus dos Reis’ only public statements of political importance have been understood as meek defences of her spouse’s declarations.

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Postby Ainin » Sat Jun 24, 2017 3:29 am

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Ainin wrote:You can't ignore-cannon the police, according to precedent that dates all the way back to Aurentina.


I believe the live ammunition part is justified to ignore. Suddenly they were using live ammunition giving no chance for RP on crowds dispersing in reaction to the riot control or other such reactions. It was much too sudden.

It was a reasonable response to a bunch of random gunmen appearing literally out of someone's rear end and taking over half the city. If people won't reasonably RP the riots forming, then they shouldn't expect the police response to follow every step of escalation. And it remains that ignoring the police is fundamentally forbidden.
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Postby Costa Fierro » Sat Jun 24, 2017 4:28 am

The fact that we have "no military" is hugely restrictive on how, in an RP sense, the people who control the authorities can actively respond in RP situations in which military personnel would realistically be deployed or mobilised.

The fact that we have random rioters and armed groups on the streets plus apparently now a group of armed socialists and only what is essentially a paramilitary to deal with them is ridiculous in of itself but at least it'd be semi-bearable if there was some way that a government with apparently enough money and enough resources (as Fernao is apparently a developed country) could actually respond to them.
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Postby Lykens » Sat Jun 24, 2017 4:39 am

I think we would still have the various militias around. I wouldn't be opposed to the Secretary of Defense using those militias to do things, but as police commissioner I really don't see the need for you to control the military at all.

There is a bill in the pipeline somewhere, it'll pass eventually.
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Postby Costa Fierro » Sat Jun 24, 2017 4:45 am

The Sec. of Defence shouldn't have to resort to using militias because we don't have an "official military". Fernao would have a military regardless. That's the point I am trying to make. As for control, seeing as I haven't seen a list of replacement candidates for cabinet positions, I still technically control both the military and the police.
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Postby Lykens » Sat Jun 24, 2017 4:47 am

Costa Fierro wrote:The Sec. of Defence shouldn't have to resort to using militias because we don't have an "official military". Fernao would have a military regardless. That's the point I am trying to make. As for control, seeing as I haven't seen a list of replacement candidates for cabinet positions, I still technically control both the military and the police.

Well we started as a blank slate, I don't think so.

And no, you don't. You were fired.
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Postby Costa Fierro » Sat Jun 24, 2017 5:45 am

Lykens wrote:
Costa Fierro wrote:The Sec. of Defence shouldn't have to resort to using militias because we don't have an "official military". Fernao would have a military regardless. That's the point I am trying to make. As for control, seeing as I haven't seen a list of replacement candidates for cabinet positions, I still technically control both the military and the police.

Well we started as a blank slate, I don't think so.

And no, you don't. You were fired.


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Postby Lykens » Sat Jun 24, 2017 5:49 am

Costa Fierro wrote:
Lykens wrote:Well we started as a blank slate, I don't think so.

And no, you don't. You were fired.


Do I have a replacement? No.

Regardless, you don't have anything to do with the Department of Defense anymore. You served at the pleasure of the President, and now you dont.
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Postby Costa Fierro » Sat Jun 24, 2017 5:54 am

Lykens wrote:
Costa Fierro wrote:
Do I have a replacement? No.

Regardless, you don't have anything to do with the Department of Defense anymore. You served at the pleasure of the President, and now you dont.


Well seeing as I haven't been replaced, I kinda do. I'm not going to argue the point any further with you.
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Postby Malgrave » Sat Jun 24, 2017 5:58 am

Costa Fierro wrote:
Lykens wrote:Regardless, you don't have anything to do with the Department of Defense anymore. You served at the pleasure of the President, and now you dont.


Well seeing as I haven't been replaced, I kinda do. I'm not going to argue the point any further with you.


walk into a place you've recently been fired from and try and order people around.
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Postby Costa Fierro » Sat Jun 24, 2017 6:00 am

Malgrave wrote:
Costa Fierro wrote:
Well seeing as I haven't been replaced, I kinda do. I'm not going to argue the point any further with you.


walk into a place you've recently been fired from and try and order people around.


It would work if no replacement exists.
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Postby Roosevetania » Sat Jun 24, 2017 6:47 am

Costa Fierro wrote:
Lykens wrote:Regardless, you don't have anything to do with the Department of Defense anymore. You served at the pleasure of the President, and now you dont.


Well seeing as I haven't been replaced, I kinda do. I'm not going to argue the point any further with you.

Even if you were Secretary of Defense (WHICH YOU'RE NOT), you wouldn't control the police. While you are police commissioner and you control the police, live ammunition all of a sudden is ridiculous and unrealistic. The live ammo is going to be ignored. And to Ainin and Lykens's point about post length, I see your point. I'll try to improve my posts.
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Postby Lykens » Sat Jun 24, 2017 7:04 am

He is federal police commissioner.
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Postby Ainin » Sat Jun 24, 2017 7:05 am

Costa controls the police through a second character that I appointed Chief of the Federal Police a while back.
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