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Roosevetania
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Postby Roosevetania » Mon Jun 19, 2017 12:30 pm

New World Oceania wrote:After spending a while lurking and helping manage the spreadsheet, I'll be returning to the Senate. My main character is Vienna Eliot, lame duck Governor of Maabara and CTA member, and you can find his yellow pages app. I'll also have a nameless backbench Senator, who's going to be nominally in the RGA. I won't participate in RGA politics though, since they won't be my primary character.

We RP elections now, we're actually going to have a campaign for governor of Maabara next month.
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Postby Lykens » Mon Jun 19, 2017 12:35 pm

Roosevetania wrote:
New World Oceania wrote:After spending a while lurking and helping manage the spreadsheet, I'll be returning to the Senate. My main character is Vienna Eliot, lame duck Governor of Maabara and CTA member, and you can find his yellow pages app. I'll also have a nameless backbench Senator, who's going to be nominally in the RGA. I won't participate in RGA politics though, since they won't be my primary character.

We RP elections now, we're actually going to have a campaign for governor of Maabara next month.

Oh boy oh fucking boy.
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Postby New World Oceania » Mon Jun 19, 2017 1:08 pm

Roosevetania wrote:
New World Oceania wrote:After spending a while lurking and helping manage the spreadsheet, I'll be returning to the Senate. My main character is Vienna Eliot, lame duck Governor of Maabara and CTA member, and you can find his yellow pages app. I'll also have a nameless backbench Senator, who's going to be nominally in the RGA. I won't participate in RGA politics though, since they won't be my primary character.

We RP elections now, we're actually going to have a campaign for governor of Maabara next month.

I know, I designed the spreadsheet. I chose Maabara since I knew we hadn't had an election for it (much like Buddha Gonzaga was Governor of Ferdinand before his unfortunate political demise, or I think Collatis was Mayor of Babri).

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Postby Roosevetania » Mon Jun 19, 2017 1:57 pm

New World Oceania wrote:
Roosevetania wrote:We RP elections now, we're actually going to have a campaign for governor of Maabara next month.

I know, I designed the spreadsheet. I chose Maabara since I knew we hadn't had an election for it (much like Buddha Gonzaga was Governor of Ferdinand before his unfortunate political demise, or I think Collatis was Mayor of Babri).

Oh yeah, I forgot you designed the model.
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Postby Roosevetania » Tue Jun 20, 2017 1:52 pm

I supported a parliamentary government at the beginning of the incarnation, I'm glad we've abandoned the presidential system to the more fun parliamentary system.

Will current laws remain in effect?
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Postby Department of Elections » Tue Jun 20, 2017 2:06 pm

If you would like to run for the Constitutional Assembly, which the president has tasked with rewriting the Constitution, fill out the app below. Elections will be by STV and I'll publish the exact regulations and vote rules later tonight. Admins might take this over though, but for now use this app.

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-STV will be used; specifics later tonight

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Postby Maklohi Vai » Tue Jun 20, 2017 2:08 pm

*admin hat on*

Constitutional changes like these are of course entirely IC, but because they can be considered a major and important undertaking on the order of presidential elections, we may take this over. I don't know, and I'm also not the final decision maker, because that's not my job anymore. I'll pass it on to the rest of the team and see what they think.
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Postby The Sarian » Tue Jun 20, 2017 2:11 pm

My two cents is that as the Constitutional Assembly is purely an advisory body, with no basis in law, it should remain out of the remit of the admins - with the referendum at the end of the process in the hands of the admin team.
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House of Judah
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Postby House of Judah » Tue Jun 20, 2017 2:29 pm

Given that this could lead to a major restructuring of the RP, this should be handled by the admins.

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Postby Paketo » Tue Jun 20, 2017 8:29 pm

With the coup that seems to be happening, how big is it? Is it like the Chilean coup where the majority of the military is involved or is it a small portion of the army?
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Postby Lykens » Tue Jun 20, 2017 8:30 pm

We have no army.

Wait until the Admins rule before responding.
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Postby Costa Fierro » Tue Jun 20, 2017 8:47 pm

Lykens wrote:We have no army.

Wait until the Admins rule before responding.


We kinda do, otherwise there wouldn't be any real need for a defence department.
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Postby Paketo » Tue Jun 20, 2017 8:48 pm

Costa Fierro wrote:
Lykens wrote:We have no army.

Wait until the Admins rule before responding.


We kinda do, otherwise there wouldn't be any real need for a defence department.


We do if we passed Judah's defense bill. I think we voted to approve it.
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Postby Paketo » Tue Jun 20, 2017 8:52 pm

Paketo wrote:
Costa Fierro wrote:
We kinda do, otherwise there wouldn't be any real need for a defence department.


We do if we passed Judah's defense bill. I think we voted to approve it.


Looks like we never got around to voting on it so I think Lykens is actually right in that we have no official military. The closest thing would be the Capitol police.
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Postby Costa Fierro » Tue Jun 20, 2017 8:54 pm

Well it's not an official military but it's still exists as a functional armed force that is under the nominal control of the government. Or was, mainly because militaries of governments who have fought civil wars generally don't disband and reform the army after said civil wars. Fernao still has a de facto armed forces even if it's not officially one de jure.
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Postby Paketo » Tue Jun 20, 2017 8:59 pm

Costa Fierro wrote:Well it's not an official military but it's still exists as a functional armed force that is under the nominal control of the government. Or was, mainly because militaries of governments who have fought civil wars generally don't disband and reform the army after said civil wars. Fernao still has a de facto armed forces even if it's not officially one de jure.


True but our prior military was loyal to the old dictator and there were many armed rebel groups. How much of that military would left after fighting rebel groups and a UN intervention?
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Postby Beta Test » Tue Jun 20, 2017 9:29 pm

The understanding of the Administrators is that the government of Fernao currently does not have a standing functional military. Until such time as there is one, any actions claiming to have been performed on behalf of the military can be ignored.

Armed actions performed by non-military groups are allowed, but must remain realistic to their capacities.
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House of Judah
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Postby House of Judah » Tue Jun 20, 2017 11:40 pm

Alright, I'm seriously fed up with this stupid "obstruction" accusation bullshit. It's not constructive, it's not good RP, and it's not true. I love Collatis to death, but he was simply not able to keep up with the demands of being the minority leader. That's fine, and he stood aside when he realized that. We now have a leader who has been meeting that commitment and has tried to work with Lykens to get shit done.

If this was kept purely to the RP portion, I might find it tolerable, but it bleeds over to the OOC as well and I am out of patience with it. It's a lie, and the worst part is that Lykens knows it's a lie but continues to push it anyways, to the point that Sarian and Ainin have started parroting it. It's not true, it's not helpful and it needs to stop.

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Postby Lykens » Wed Jun 21, 2017 12:01 am

I don't appreciate your attempts to obstruct this by complaining in the lobby.

It's obstruction plain and simple.
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Postby House of Judah » Wed Jun 21, 2017 12:19 am

Lykens wrote:I don't appreciate your attempts to obstruct this by complaining in the lobby.

It's obstruction plain and simple.

It actually isn't. An unwillingness to rush through things certainly is not the same as a campaign of obstruction.

I understand Sarian's frustration. Collatis should have been more on top of things but he wasn't able to. When Socialist Nordia took over as minority leader, he went along with Lykens to go straight to the executive session without the committees so that we could get stuff done. He's named people to the committees for the remainder of the nominees so that we can move forward. Which is exactly what we're doing.

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Postby Lykens » Wed Jun 21, 2017 12:34 am

Oi cunt lighten up it's a forum game
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Postby House of Judah » Wed Jun 21, 2017 12:42 am

Lykens wrote:Oi cunt lighten up it's a forum game

That bit of advice can apply to you. You don't need to treat every obstacle as though it is a personal declaration of war on you.

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Postby Lykens » Wed Jun 21, 2017 12:51 am

House of Judah wrote:
Lykens wrote:Oi cunt lighten up it's a forum game

That bit of advice can apply to you. You don't need to treat every obstacle as though it is a personal declaration of war on you.

Pardon me if I think that's extremely hypocritical of you.
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Postby House of Judah » Wed Jun 21, 2017 1:00 am

Lykens wrote:
House of Judah wrote:That bit of advice can apply to you. You don't need to treat every obstacle as though it is a personal declaration of war on you.

Pardon me if I think that's extremely hypocritical of you.

It really isn't. I can take the frustration of a loss, but the way you in particular have treated anyone who has been on the opposite side of a debate this entire iteration.

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Postby Lykens » Wed Jun 21, 2017 1:01 am

House of Judah wrote:
Lykens wrote:Pardon me if I think that's extremely hypocritical of you.

It really isn't. I can take the frustration of a loss, but the way you in particular have treated anyone who has been on the opposite side of a debate this entire iteration.

If you aren't able to separate IC from OOC, I really can't help you.
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