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I can sort out a fancy OP later, but this thread can sort out the negotiation of a coalition between the Labour Party and the National Workers' Party. It is clear this coalition is needed to combat both the other main blocs in the senate when the provisional government's term comes to an end.

Party links:
Labour Party
National Workers' Party

Obviously any agreement will have to be ratified by both parties but we need to come to an agreement on the principle of cooperating together.

Senate composition:

You've already been invited to a coalition with the NWP and two other parties, which would have more electoral strength. This is unnecessary.

Belmaria wrote:You've already been invited to a coalition with the NWP and two other parties, which would have more electoral strength. This is unnecessary.

This thread is really just a formality - a Labour-NWP coalition has practically been in place (in an unofficial and temporary capacity) since the first round of the presidential vote. I don't know about my fellow Labour members, but personally I'd rather negotiate an agreement with the NWP before talking to other parties. Labour and the NWP seem like the most natural partners.

Britanno 2 wrote:

Belmaria wrote:You've already been invited to a coalition with the NWP and two other parties, which would have more electoral strength. This is unnecessary.

This thread is really just a formality - a Labour-NWP coalition has practically been in place (in an unofficial and temporary capacity) since the first round of the presidential vote. I don't know about my fellow Labour members, but personally I'd rather negotiate an agreement with the NWP before talking to other parties. Labour and the NWP seem like the most natural partners.

ALDE and EPF are Social Democratic parties and are very similar to Labour. Do you object to Labour forming a coalition with our parties?

Britanno 2 wrote:

Belmaria wrote:You've already been invited to a coalition with the NWP and two other parties, which would have more electoral strength. This is unnecessary.

This thread is really just a formality - a Labour-NWP coalition has practically been in place (in an unofficial and temporary capacity) since the first round of the presidential vote. I don't know about my fellow Labour members, but personally I'd rather negotiate an agreement with the NWP before talking to other parties. Labour and the NWP seem like the most natural partners.

What about a coalition merger?

Belmaria wrote:ALDE and EPF are Social Democratic parties and are very similar to Labour. Do you object to Labour forming a coalition with our parties?

Personally, yes. But only for the moment. I'm sure we can be strong partners in the future, but I would rather focus on an agreement with the NWP first. If other Labour members or some NWP members suggest negotiating an agreement with both the EPF and ALDE at the same time, then we will of course invite you to talks. This is, however, the current position of the Labour leadership.

Belmaria wrote:You've already been invited to a coalition with the NWP and two other parties, which would have more electoral strength. This is unnecessary.

I do find it funny that you're trying to decide for us what's necessary and what isn't, in two different threads for that matter.

Nariterrr wrote:What about a coalition merger?

That doesn't sound like a bad idea for the future, but right now Labour and the NWP haven't even sorted out our own coalition.

Britanno 2 wrote:

Belmaria wrote:ALDE and EPF are Social Democratic parties and are very similar to Labour. Do you object to Labour forming a coalition with our parties?

Personally, yes. But only for the moment. I'm sure we can be strong partners in the future, but I would rather focus on an agreement with the NWP first. If other Labour members or some NWP members suggest negotiating an agreement with both the EPF and ALDE at the same time, then we will of course invite you to talks. This is, however, the current position of the Labour leadership.

It sounds like you're telling us to shove off in an incredibly formal, British fashion. If that's the case, ALDE is prepared to take a hardline stance against any Labour Party policies, considering its unwillingness to work with us at present.

Belmaria wrote:It sounds like you're telling us to shove off in an incredibly formal, British fashion. If that's the case, ALDE is prepared to take a hardline stance against any Labour Party policies, considering its unwillingness to work with us at present.

If I wanted to tell you to fuck off, you'd know about it

I hope you reconsider your stance against us, because I think it would be in both of our interests if we are allied, and then we can talk about a coalition as soon as the Labour-NWP agreement is formalised. We're not saying we don't want to work with you, just that we want to sort out a coalition with the NWP first seen as that has been practically in the works since the election.

Britanno 2 wrote:

Belmaria wrote:It sounds like you're telling us to shove off in an incredibly formal, British fashion. If that's the case, ALDE is prepared to take a hardline stance against any Labour Party policies, considering its unwillingness to work with us at present.

If I wanted to tell you to fuck off, you'd know about it

I hope you reconsider your stance against us, because I think it would be in both of our interests if we are allied, and then we can talk about a coalition as soon as the Labour-NWP agreement is formalised. We're not saying we don't want to work with you, just that we want to sort out a coalition with the NWP first seen as that has been practically in the works since the election.

If the Labour party doesn't prioritize working with social democrats before working with communist nationalists, that's a bad omen of things to come. I believe it's quite obvious that the Labour party cares more about far-leftists than it does about being in a strong electoral coalition, considering the fact that our proposed coalition has nearly 25% more members.

Belmaria wrote:

Britanno 2 wrote:If I wanted to tell you to fuck off, you'd know about it

I hope you reconsider your stance against us, because I think it would be in both of our interests if we are allied, and then we can talk about a coalition as soon as the Labour-NWP agreement is formalised. We're not saying we don't want to work with you, just that we want to sort out a coalition with the NWP first seen as that has been practically in the works since the election.

If the Labour party doesn't prioritize working with social democrats before working with communist nationalists, that's a bad omen of things to come. I believe it's quite obvious that the Labour party cares more about far-leftists than it does about being in a strong electoral coalition, considering the fact that our proposed coalition has nearly 25% more members.

Considering that this is your rhetoric when my colleague tells you that we want to finalise an essentially already existing coalition and then discuss a possible partnership with you in the future, I think that, personally, I would rather have slightly less members in the coalition so that it can work together harmoniously.

The Licentian Isles wrote:

Belmaria wrote:If the Labour party doesn't prioritize working with social democrats before working with communist nationalists, that's a bad omen of things to come. I believe it's quite obvious that the Labour party cares more about far-leftists than it does about being in a strong electoral coalition, considering the fact that our proposed coalition has nearly 25% more members.

Considering that this is your rhetoric when my colleague tells you that we want to finalise an essentially already existing coalition and then discuss a possible partnership with you in the future, I think that, personally, I would rather have slightly less members in the coalition so that it can work together harmoniously.

Well said.

We're absolutely looking forward to working with other social democrats, but we've been working on a Labour-NWP for a while now and want to get it formalized before going further.

The Licentian Isles wrote:

Belmaria wrote:If the Labour party doesn't prioritize working with social democrats before working with communist nationalists, that's a bad omen of things to come. I believe it's quite obvious that the Labour party cares more about far-leftists than it does about being in a strong electoral coalition, considering the fact that our proposed coalition has nearly 25% more members.

Considering that this is your rhetoric when my colleague tells you that we want to finalise an essentially already existing coalition and then discuss a possible partnership with you in the future, I think that, personally, I would rather have slightly less members in the coalition so that it can work together harmoniously.

I don't understand why you couldn't simultaneously finalize the pre-existing alliance you have with the NWP and talk about allying with our parties. This seems like an excuse to brush us off, which doesn't bode well with me.

Belmaria wrote:

The Licentian Isles wrote:
Considering that this is your rhetoric when my colleague tells you that we want to finalise an essentially already existing coalition and then discuss a possible partnership with you in the future, I think that, personally, I would rather have slightly less members in the coalition so that it can work together harmoniously.

I don't understand why you couldn't simultaneously finalize the pre-existing alliance you have with the NWP and talk about allying with our parties. This seems like an excuse to brush us off, which doesn't bode well with me.

You clearly aren't going to be convinced whatever I say, so I'm not going to bother. I suggest that you consider your words towards others before you alienate potential political partners.

The Licentian Isles wrote:

Belmaria wrote:I don't understand why you couldn't simultaneously finalize the pre-existing alliance you have with the NWP and talk about allying with our parties. This seems like an excuse to brush us off, which doesn't bode well with me.

You clearly aren't going to be convinced whatever I say, so I'm not going to bother. I suggest that you consider your words towards others before you alienate potential political partners.

OOC: Alan is depending on the politics of necessity.

IC: Regardless of your personal feelings towards me, I think you'll find that with close elections such as the most recent one, you'll need all the support you can get. Considering our political similarities, working together should be a no-brainer.

Belmaria wrote:

The Licentian Isles wrote:
You clearly aren't going to be convinced whatever I say, so I'm not going to bother. I suggest that you consider your words towards others before you alienate potential political partners.

OOC: Alan is depending on the politics of necessity.

IC: Regardless of your personal feelings towards me, I think you'll find that with close elections such as the most recent one, you'll need all the support you can get. Considering our political similarities, working together should be a no-brainer.

Regardless of our political similarities, given the way you have charged into these talks like a bull in a china shop and tried to tell us what is better/necessary for our party, I'm not going to be in any rush to work with you in the future. A government needs to be stable and harmonious, and you would put that at risk, as you have proven here.

Better dead than red.

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Ok, ok, I don't want this to get to out of control.

We would love to work with you guys in securing a major coalition. By all means figure out your own coalition and check us out. Let us not be enemies. We need to work with each other.

In the interest of unity, I will bite my tongue. But I still have a bad feeling about this.

Belmaria wrote:OOC: Alan is depending on the politics of necessity.

IC: Regardless of your personal feelings towards me, I think you'll find that with close elections such as the most recent one, you'll need all the support you can get. Considering our political similarities, working together should be a no-brainer.

A coalition isn't required for cooperation. Any policy overlaps we have can be pushed through the senate by legislative cooperation. Anyway, nobody is ruling out a coalition in the future. But you don't seem like you'll ever be satisfied, so if you could leave us to sort out the coalition we have decided we want at the moment it would be appreciated.

Britanno 2 wrote:

Belmaria wrote:OOC: Alan is depending on the politics of necessity.

IC: Regardless of your personal feelings towards me, I think you'll find that with close elections such as the most recent one, you'll need all the support you can get. Considering our political similarities, working together should be a no-brainer.

A coalition isn't required for cooperation. Any policy overlaps we have can be pushed through the senate by legislative cooperation. Anyway, nobody is ruling out a coalition in the future. But you don't seem like you'll ever be satisfied, so if you could leave us to sort out the coalition we have decided we want at the moment it would be appreciated.

Thank you for appreciating our requests.

Pinkos

Coalition and cooperation is very important, I would be open to discussions in terms of a Labour-NWP coalition as well as Labour-NWP in a larger coalition context.

I'm quite open to the establishment of a coalition between the NWP and the Labour Party.