[NSG Senate] Senate Chamber: Do We Have Work?

[Belmaria]

"Mr Speaker, the purpose of this bill is obviously, among others, to recognize a quasi-religious state that has been responsible for the institution of theocracy. I am opposed to that section of the bill, and I will hope that ill-conceived arguments such as those regarding the supposed purpose of a bill, when said purpose is debatable at best, be left unspoken in the future."

"Again Mr. Speaker, do the blithering troglodytes that oppose this bill believe we would be better off not recognizing a substantial portion of UN member nations?"

"I've had enough of these logical fallacies. It's quite obvious that my opposition to the bill lies in its recognition of the oppressive regime of Palestine. Granted, there are some oppressive regimes within the United Nations. However, with the speculative nature of the very existence of Palestine as a nation, it is best of us to blockade the wannabe nation until it can prove itself on the issue of human rights."

[Wolfmanne2]

"Again Mr. Speaker, do the blithering troglodytes that oppose this bill believe we would be better off not recognizing a substantial portion of UN member nations?"

"I've had enough of these logical fallacies. It's quite obvious that my opposition to the bill lies in its recognition of the oppressive regime of Palestine. Granted, there are some oppressive regimes within the United Nations. However, with the speculative nature of the very existence of Palestine as a nation, it is best of us to blockade the wannabe nation until it can prove itself on the issue of human rights."

Hear hear.

[Skyviolia]

"Again Mr. Speaker, do the blithering troglodytes that oppose this bill believe we would be better off not recognizing a substantial portion of UN member nations?"

"I've had enough of these logical fallacies. It's quite obvious that my opposition to the bill lies in its recognition of the oppressive regime of Palestine. Granted, there are some oppressive regimes within the United Nations. However, with the speculative nature of the very existence of Palestine as a nation, it is best of us to blockade the wannabe nation until it can prove itself on the issue of human rights."

"Let's recognize the oppressive state of Israel but let not recognize the people who have been persecuted for sixty years, that is your logic."

[MERIZoC]

"Again Mr. Speaker, do the blithering troglodytes that oppose this bill believe we would be better off not recognizing a substantial portion of UN member nations?"

"I've had enough of these logical fallacies. It's quite obvious that my opposition to the bill lies in its recognition of the oppressive regime of Palestine. Granted, there are some oppressive regimes within the United Nations. However, with the speculative nature of the very existence of Palestine as a nation, it is best of us to blockade the wannabe nation until it can prove itself on the issue of human rights."

"Mr speaker, given the honorable member hasn't even a sufficient brain cell count to understand what a logical fallacy is, I'm sure we'd all be keen to going back to when he was barred from the chamber. Sadly, I believe we'll have to settle for merely making fun of him."

[Nariterrr]

"Again Mr. Speaker, do the blithering troglodytes that oppose this bill believe we would be better off not recognizing a substantial portion of UN member nations?"

"I've had enough of these logical fallacies. It's quite obvious that my opposition to the bill lies in its recognition of the oppressive regime of Palestine. Granted, there are some oppressive regimes within the United Nations. However, with the speculative nature of the very existence of Palestine as a nation, it is best of us to blockade the wannabe nation until it can prove itself on the issue of human rights."

"Have you the slightest idea of what a logic fallacy is? We do know one thing isn't logical in this chamber, and that's you."

[Belmaria]

"I've had enough of these logical fallacies. It's quite obvious that my opposition to the bill lies in its recognition of the oppressive regime of Palestine. Granted, there are some oppressive regimes within the United Nations. However, with the speculative nature of the very existence of Palestine as a nation, it is best of us to blockade the wannabe nation until it can prove itself on the issue of human rights."

"Let's recognize the oppressive state of Israel but let not recognize the people who have been persecuted for sixty years, that is your logic."

"It would be much more difficult to refuse recognition of Israel, or other oppressive regimes which are already well established. If we could conceivably get away with it, I would support the refusal of recognition of many other regimes as well. Sadly, we would stand alone if we were to advance such a policy."

[MERIZoC]

"Let's recognize the oppressive state of Israel but let not recognize the people who have been persecuted for sixty years, that is your logic."

"It would be much more difficult to refuse recognition of Israel, or other oppressive regimes which are already well established. If we could conceivably get away with it, I would support the refusal of recognition of many other regimes as well. Sadly, we would stand alone if we were to advance such a policy."

"We would stand alone, Mr. Speaker, because it's about as comparable to the foreign policy strategy of a stoned salamander."

[Wolfmanne2]

"We appear to be in the amusing situation where we have two SLP leadership contenders engaged in a verbal war of words".

"I've had enough of these logical fallacies. It's quite obvious that my opposition to the bill lies in its recognition of the oppressive regime of Palestine. Granted, there are some oppressive regimes within the United Nations. However, with the speculative nature of the very existence of Palestine as a nation, it is best of us to blockade the wannabe nation until it can prove itself on the issue of human rights."

"Mr speaker, given the honorable member hasn't even a sufficient brain cell count to understand what a logical fallacy is, I'm sure we'd all be keen to going back to when he was barred from the chamber. Sadly, I believe we'll have to settle for merely making fun of him."

"Point of Order Mr Speaker, I find this to be immensely unparliamentary language. The honourable member is insinuating that the right honourable Leader of the Social Liberal Party is in fact stupid. I would request that he be asked to withdraw that statement".

[Belmaria]

"It would be much more difficult to refuse recognition of Israel, or other oppressive regimes which are already well established. If we could conceivably get away with it, I would support the refusal of recognition of many other regimes as well. Sadly, we would stand alone if we were to advance such a policy."

"We would stand alone, Mr. Speaker, because it's about as comparable to the foreign policy strategy of a stoned salamander."

"Which is why I would never support such an outrageous position. However, there are still many nations that do not recognize the existence of Palestine as a state, and we would not be standing alone in joining them."

"I've had enough of these logical fallacies. It's quite obvious that my opposition to the bill lies in its recognition of the oppressive regime of Palestine. Granted, there are some oppressive regimes within the United Nations. However, with the speculative nature of the very existence of Palestine as a nation, it is best of us to blockade the wannabe nation until it can prove itself on the issue of human rights."

"Have you the slightest idea of what a logic fallacy is? We do know one thing isn't logical in this chamber, and that's you."

"Here we go again, Mr. Speaker. Yet another personal attack lobbed against one of his own party members by the honorable gentleman. I'm beginning to wonder when, if ever, he will actually stand up and support a fellow party member in this chamber."

[MERIZoC]

"We would stand alone, Mr. Speaker, because it's about as comparable to the foreign policy strategy of a stoned salamander."

"Which is why I would never support such an outrageous position. However, there are still many nations that do not recognize the existence of Palestine as a state, and we would not be standing alone in joining them."

"Mr. Speaker, we all know the SLP desires to be pasty white westerners, there's no need for the honorable member to spell it out like that."

[Belmaria]

"Which is why I would never support such an outrageous position. However, there are still many nations that do not recognize the existence of Palestine as a state, and we would not be standing alone in joining them."

"Mr. Speaker, we all know the SLP desires to be pasty white westerners, there's no need for the honorable member to spell it out like that."

"Mr. Speaker, I'm appalled at the blatant racism of the honorable member's comments. The SLP stands firmly committed to the principles of individual liberty and social justice. If the honorable member believes these principles to be unfit, perhaps he should convey that message to the voters that elected us to this house in the first place."

[Wolfmanne2]

"Which is why I would never support such an outrageous position. However, there are still many nations that do not recognize the existence of Palestine as a state, and we would not be standing alone in joining them."

"Mr. Speaker, we all know the SLP desires to be pasty white westerners, there's no need for the honorable member to spell it out like that."

"Mr Speaker, I am absolutely appalled by the behaviour of this parliamentarian. How can anyone here see this as constructive debate? If he does not cease his behaviour, than perhaps you may need to consider taking action beyond asking for his statements to be withdrawn".

[Argentarino]

"Mr. Speaker, I'd like to clarify things for some of my colleagues. The State of Palestine recognizes the independence of Israel, and has done so since 1993, when Yasser Arafat led the PLO. These arguments that Palestine must recognize Israel are moot, as the Palestinian government has already recognized Israel. Granted, not all Palestinians support that not recognize Israel, but then again, there are Israelis who do not recognize Palestine's sovereignty nor wish to."

[Wolfmanne2]

"Mr. Speaker, I'd like to clarify things for some of my colleagues. The State of Palestine recognizes the independence of Israel, and has done so since 1993, when Yasser Arafat led the PLO. These arguments that Palestine must recognize Israel are moot, as the Palestinian government has already recognized Israel. Granted, not all Palestinians support that not recognize Israel, but then again, there are Israelis who do not recognize Palestine's sovereignty nor wish to."

"I thank my fellow parliamentarian for this, and to amend my previous statement, whilst I am already aware of the recognition of Israel by Palestine on paper, in practice there seems to be more of a desire for 'justice' rather than 'peace' among the populace and within the political establishment. For this reason, I can not endorse the recognition of Palestine at this point in time. I hope this clarifies my stance".

[Nariterrr]

"Which is why I would never support such an outrageous position. However, there are still many nations that do not recognize the existence of Palestine as a state, and we would not be standing alone in joining them."

"Mr. Speaker, we all know the SLP desires to be pasty white westerners, there's no need for the honorable member to spell it out like that."

Belmaria doesn't equal the SLP or its beliefs.

How many times to I have to explain that.

[Argentarino]

"Mr. Speaker, I'd like to clarify things for some of my colleagues. The State of Palestine recognizes the independence of Israel, and has done so since 1993, when Yasser Arafat led the PLO. These arguments that Palestine must recognize Israel are moot, as the Palestinian government has already recognized Israel. Granted, not all Palestinians support that not recognize Israel, but then again, there are Israelis who do not recognize Palestine's sovereignty nor wish to."

"I thank my fellow parliamentarian for this, and to amend my previous statement, whilst I am already aware of the recognition of Israel by Palestine on paper, in practice there seems to be more of a desire for 'justice' rather than 'peace' among the populace and within the political establishment. For this reason, I can not endorse the recognition of Palestine at this point in time. I hope this clarifies my stance".

"Mr. Speaker, the Senator cannot honestly expect that the populace of Palestine, which feels slighted after nearly a century of perceived and legitimate wrongs committed by the Israelis, will simply bury the hatchet when they constantly feel oppressed by the Israeli Defense Forces. In order for there to be peace, it requires trust from both sides, it requires concessions that the Israeli government will never offer as long as it is headed by Netanyahu. I simply believe the Senator doesn't care about the plight of the Palestinian people, Mr. Speaker."

[Belmaria]

"I thank my fellow parliamentarian for this, and to amend my previous statement, whilst I am already aware of the recognition of Israel by Palestine on paper, in practice there seems to be more of a desire for 'justice' rather than 'peace' among the populace and within the political establishment. For this reason, I can not endorse the recognition of Palestine at this point in time. I hope this clarifies my stance".

"Mr. Speaker, the Senator cannot honestly expect that the populace of Palestine, which feels slighted after nearly a century of perceived and legitimate wrongs committed by the Israelis, will simply bury the hatchet when they constantly feel oppressed by the Israeli Defense Forces. In order for there to be peace, it requires trust from both sides, it requires concessions that the Israeli government will never offer as long as it is headed by Netanyahu. I simply believe the Senator doesn't care about the plight of the Palestinian people, Mr. Speaker."

"Mr. Speaker, peace will never be possible when either side in this conflict is headed by a radical theocrat. We must voice our opposition to the violence and injustice of both sides."

[Davincia]

"Mr Speaker, the purpose of this bill is obviously, among others, to recognize a quasi-religious state that has been responsible for the institution of theocracy. I am opposed to that section of the bill, and I will hope that ill-conceived arguments such as those regarding the supposed purpose of a bill, when said purpose is debatable at best, be left unspoken in the future."

"Again Mr. Speaker, do the blithering troglodytes that oppose this bill believe we would be better off not recognizing a substantial portion of UN member nations?"

"Yes."

"I've had enough of these logical fallacies. It's quite obvious that my opposition to the bill lies in its recognition of the oppressive regime of Palestine. Granted, there are some oppressive regimes within the United Nations. However, with the speculative nature of the very existence of Palestine as a nation, it is best of us to blockade the wannabe nation until it can prove itself on the issue of human rights."

"Let's recognize the oppressive state of Israel but let not recognize the people who have been persecuted for sixty years, that is your logic."

"Does Israel practice Sharia Law? No? Well, it seems we know which country is less oppressive."

[Collatis]

"Surely we can all agree that injustices have been committed by both sides? A two-state solution is the only one, and anti-Israeli or anti-Palestinian rhetoric will do nothing to solve this long lasting conflict. I share the concerns of my honorable colleague, Mr. Kamassi. Although I fully believe in a Palestinian state, and support the Palestinian people and the PLO, I'm not sure if it would be prudent to recognize the State of Palestine in its current form, considering the nature of Hamas. I am unsure of how I plan to vote on this otherwise flawless bill."

[Nariterrr]

"Surely we can all agree that injustices have been committed by both sides? A two-state solution is the only one, and anti-Israeli or anti-Palestinian rhetoric will do nothing to solve this long lasting conflict. I share the concerns of my honorable colleague, Mr. Kamassi. Although I fully believe in a Palestinian state, and support the Palestinian people and the PLO, I'm not sure if it would be prudent to recognize the State of Palestine in its current form, considering the nature of Hamas. I am unsure of how I plan to vote on this otherwise flawless bill."

Hear hear!

[Filimons]

Dr Léon Dimitri Mourani had a tendency to keep Hansard copies of his own participation in parliamentary debates; recalling a previous intervention of his, he sought to reuse it. Thus, pulling out a sheet of paper from his suit’s inner pocket, he began reading what he had previously said with regards to the bill at hand.

“Is it really necessary to get involved in these matters of countries with limited recognition? They are quite delicate issues, you know; the state parties involved have very strong opinions to say the least and I cannot avoid but to think that most of my honourable colleagues are not acquainted with the appropriate historical background to cast proper judgement. I don’t think recognising these states would be in the best interest of the Elizian Federation and its people, for that matter. Recognising Kosovo, for example, would result in strained ties with Serbia (and, more importantly, Russia). Doing the same for Palestine cannot benefit us at all. As for the non-entity of the Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic, its recognition would amount to the needless sabotage of our bilateral relations with Morocco, whilst doing absolutely nothing to help the Sahrawi people. What are we to gain from this? What is the rationale behind this? We mustn’t disregard the degree of our irrelevance in international matters and the effects of our recklessness on the welfare of our people.

“Additionally, the proposal appears rather arbitrary, for the three listed here are not the only de facto (but not, however, de jure) states in the world; we have Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Nagorno-Karabakh and so on. The recognition of the first two could be justified by our government with a brief declaration citing, for example, the ‘misapplication of the Georgia for Georgians policy’. This, too, is not recommendable, for it serve to needlessly harm our relations with Georgia (and, by extension, the United States and its allies). There is simply no need whatsoever to intrude upon matters which do not concern us.

“I should also note the possible misunderstanding which could be caused by the first article of the second section, which reads: ‘Elizia does not recognise the sovereignty of any other countries not specifically outlined in this bill, unless a subsequent bill amends the list’. The author should see this immediately, but I do not think most legislators have noticed it; this bill would serve to shift Elizia’s recognition to the People’s Republic of China, to the detriment of the Republic of China or Taiwan, which is not, since Resolution 2758 of the UNGA, a member of the UN. This, of course, would put us in line with much of the world, but cannot be taken lightly due to our history of siding with the Taiwanese authorities and the arrangements which would have to be made for any change. Furthermore, provision must be made for the recognition of the State of the Vatican City, which is not a full member of the United Nations, but is nevertheless universally recognised.”

[Hindia Belanda]

"Surely we can all agree that injustices have been committed by both sides? A two-state solution is the only one, and anti-Israeli or anti-Palestinian rhetoric will do nothing to solve this long lasting conflict. I share the concerns of my honorable colleague, Mr. Kamassi. Although I fully believe in a Palestinian state, and support the Palestinian people and the PLO, I'm not sure if it would be prudent to recognize the State of Palestine in its current form, considering the nature of Hamas. I am unsure of how I plan to vote on this otherwise flawless bill."

"Mr. Speaker, I stand with my honourable friend in his view that we should not recognise the State of Palestine in its current form. Only when Hamas has been incapacitated and the Palestinian people freed from their pan-Islamic tendencies can we recognise the State of Palestine."

[Tumbra]

"Mr Speaker, the purpose of this bill is obviously, among others, to recognize a quasi-religious state that has been responsible for the institution of theocracy. I am opposed to that section of the bill, and I will hope that ill-conceived arguments such as those regarding the supposed purpose of a bill, when said purpose is debatable at best, be left unspoken in the future."

"Again Mr. Speaker, do the blithering troglodytes that oppose this bill believe we would be better off not recognizing a substantial portion of UN member nations?"

"Order! Order! The Hon. Member must withdraw the two word comment starting with the letter "b" and ending with the letter "s". I trust the Hon. Member recognises which phrase it is."

[MERIZoC]

"Again Mr. Speaker, do the blithering troglodytes that oppose this bill believe we would be better off not recognizing a substantial portion of UN member nations?"

"Order! Order! The Hon. Member must withdraw the two word comment starting with the letter "b" and ending with the letter "s". I trust the Hon. Member recognises which phrase it is."

I withdraw my comment under objection Mr. Speaker.

[Tumbra]

Apologies for the very late cutoff.

"Order, order. I declare debate on the International Recognition Act closed."

"We shall now begin with debate on the Typographical Errors Correction Act, by the Hon. John Chiu."

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Typographical Errors Correction Act
| Author: The Hon. John Chiu MP, Home Secretary (ChIP) |
| Sponsors: The Hons. Ujang Duong (Merizoc, PtH); Linanto Aiguo (Davincia, LD); Chu Canh Kim (The Licentian Isles, Lab.); Social Affairs Secretary Abraham Kamassi (Maklohi Vai, Lab.); Ahmed Corbor (Nariterrr, SLP) |

An Act to provide for peace, order and good government; and for connected purposes.

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§1 - Typographical errors

1. A typographical error shall be defined as a minor mistake in an Act of Parliament whose presence unreasonably alters its intended meaning or results in an incoherent sentence.
2. The Speaker shall have the authority to unilaterally decree a change to an Act of Parliament to fix typographical errors.
3. If a motion against the move is tabled and receives seven (7) sponsors in Parliament within a week of the decree's enactment, it shall be nullified.

§2 - Applicability and enforcement

1. This act is only applicable to the Parliament of Elizia.
2. This act shall come into effect upon the moment of its assent by the respective authority.