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by Ikania » Sun Jul 31, 2016 9:36 am

by Davincia » Sun Jul 31, 2016 9:51 am
Ikania wrote:"I personally am of the opinion that every people, be it here or abroad, are entitled to the right of self-determination. The Palestinian Arabs have been trampled upon by Jewish settlers for too long, their homes taken from them, and their own personal rights impeded on. My ideology, and that of my party, is one that promotes freedom and liberation, not oppression under an ethno-centric government that discriminates against you. The Israeli state's control over Palestinian land is simply illegitimate and wrong. I most vociferously support this bill, and so will my party.
The same logic applies when thinking of Kosovo and the people of the Western Sahara. I'd urge all fellows in this body to vote for the bill at hand."
Maklohi Vai wrote:"Mister Speaker, I hope that the previous speakers believes that the Palestinian people are in fact civilized, and that he misspoke. To call them otherwise would be grossly inappropriate and inaccurate.
Also, I do contend that Israel's mistakes are typical of a civilized nation. Many civilized nations have oppressed people and killed civilians, but the manner in which the Israelis have done so has not been matched by many, as my recollection goes."

by Nariterrr » Sun Jul 31, 2016 10:02 am

by MERIZoC » Sun Jul 31, 2016 10:15 am

by Davincia » Sun Jul 31, 2016 10:33 am
Nariterrr wrote:"I support this bill with my whole heart. Not only am I in solidarity with the good people of Palestine, my Muslim, Christian and Jewish brothers in sisters, I believe that we must strongly condemn the nation of Israel for its violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention"

by Nariterrr » Sun Jul 31, 2016 10:51 am
Davincia wrote:Nariterrr wrote:"I support this bill with my whole heart. Not only am I in solidarity with the good people of Palestine, my Muslim, Christian and Jewish brothers in sisters, I believe that we must strongly condemn the nation of Israel for its violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention"
"Are you choosing to ignore Palestine's record for Antisemitism or terror? Israel's sins are few in comparison to the barbarians next to them."

by Davincia » Sun Jul 31, 2016 11:13 am
Nariterrr wrote:Davincia wrote:"Are you choosing to ignore Palestine's record for Antisemitism or terror? Israel's sins are few in comparison to the barbarians next to them."
"So Palestine kills three Israels, and they are barbarians. But when Israels kill 1400 men women and children in bombings, their sins are only a few. "

by United Provinces of Atlantica » Sun Jul 31, 2016 11:32 am
Davincia wrote:Nariterrr wrote:"So Palestine kills three Israels, and they are barbarians. But when Israels kill 1400 men women and children in bombings, their sins are only a few. "
"Since 1948, slightly less than 4,000 Israelis have been killed by Palestinian terrorism. We should not favor a state controlled by these ruthless killers. We must differentiate between civilians killed accidentally and civilians killed purposefully."

by Davincia » Sun Jul 31, 2016 12:29 pm
United Provinces of Atlantica wrote:Davincia wrote:"Since 1948, slightly less than 4,000 Israelis have been killed by Palestinian terrorism. We should not favor a state controlled by these ruthless killers. We must differentiate between civilians killed accidentally and civilians killed purposefully."
"Since September 29, 2000 alone, 2,134 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis whilst only 134 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians; when considering adults, the number rises to at least 9,410 Palestinians and only 1,207 Israelis have been killed. Thus, more than twice the number of Palestinians have been killed by Israelis in the past sixteen years than the amount of Israelis killed by Palestinians in the past sixty-eight. The facts do not line, Senator Aiguo."

by Argentarino » Sun Jul 31, 2016 12:50 pm
Davincia wrote:United Provinces of Atlantica wrote:"Since September 29, 2000 alone, 2,134 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis whilst only 134 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians; when considering adults, the number rises to at least 9,410 Palestinians and only 1,207 Israelis have been killed. Thus, more than twice the number of Palestinians have been killed by Israelis in the past sixteen years than the amount of Israelis killed by Palestinians in the past sixty-eight. The facts do not line, Senator Aiguo."
"Civilian casualties of war are to be expected when Israel is always on the defensive side. The statistics largely differ between UN, Israeli, and Palestinian sources. Should we also forget the number of Palestinians killed by others of their own kind?"

by MERIZoC » Sun Jul 31, 2016 12:58 pm

by Davincia » Sun Jul 31, 2016 2:21 pm
Merizoc wrote:"If the honorable member from the Liberal Democrats is opposed to the recognition of the Palestinian state on the basis of violence, then surely he is opposed to the recognition of most other modern nations, for they too are guilty of violence. Do the Liberal Democrats hold anarchists amongst their ranks?"

by MERIZoC » Sun Jul 31, 2016 2:55 pm
Davincia wrote:Merizoc wrote:"If the honorable member from the Liberal Democrats is opposed to the recognition of the Palestinian state on the basis of violence, then surely he is opposed to the recognition of most other modern nations, for they too are guilty of violence. Do the Liberal Democrats hold anarchists amongst their ranks?"
"I am opposed on the basis of not only violence, but also religious extremism. Nations which follow Sharia Law do not deserve our respect."

by Belmaria » Sun Jul 31, 2016 3:05 pm
Merizoc wrote:Davincia wrote:"I am opposed on the basis of not only violence, but also religious extremism. Nations which follow Sharia Law do not deserve our respect."
"Mr speaker, I take that to mean that the honorable member is then opposed to recognizing the sovereignty of some of our closest neighbors as well as dozens of other countries. Truly, spectacular foreign policy suggestions from the member from the liberal democrats."

by Davincia » Sun Jul 31, 2016 3:45 pm
Merizoc wrote:Davincia wrote:"I am opposed on the basis of not only violence, but also religious extremism. Nations which follow Sharia Law do not deserve our respect."
"Mr speaker, I take that to mean that the honorable member is then opposed to recognizing the sovereignty of some of our closest neighbors as well as dozens of other countries. Truly, spectacular foreign policy suggestions from the member from the liberal democrats."
Belmaria wrote:Merizoc wrote:"Mr speaker, I take that to mean that the honorable member is then opposed to recognizing the sovereignty of some of our closest neighbors as well as dozens of other countries. Truly, spectacular foreign policy suggestions from the member from the liberal democrats."
Alan walked into the chamber and sat while the member spoke. Afterwords, he stood and proclaimed "I would love to hear the honorable member's proposal on how best to deal with religious extremism, if not to shun it and disown it."

by Belmaria » Sun Jul 31, 2016 4:06 pm
Davincia wrote:Merizoc wrote:"Mr speaker, I take that to mean that the honorable member is then opposed to recognizing the sovereignty of some of our closest neighbors as well as dozens of other countries. Truly, spectacular foreign policy suggestions from the member from the liberal democrats."
"How can Elizia claim to support human rights if it tolerates murderous zealotry overseas? It makes no sense to recognize Palestine in the name of human rights. Honorable speaker, it is not just to legitimize hostile and oppressive regimes that have benefited no one."Belmaria wrote:Alan walked into the chamber and sat while the member spoke. Afterwords, he stood and proclaimed "I would love to hear the honorable member's proposal on how best to deal with religious extremism, if not to shun it and disown it."
"The first step is in denouncing groups and governments that practice religious extremism. Hamas would make an excellent starting point. Now is the time to show the world that Elizia will not blindly accept tyranny, wherever it may be."

by Wolfmanne2 » Sun Jul 31, 2016 5:11 pm
Mad hatters in jeans wrote:Yeah precipitating on everyone doesn't go down well usually. You seem patient enough to chat to us, i'm willing to count that as nice.

by MERIZoC » Sun Jul 31, 2016 5:11 pm
Belmaria wrote:Merizoc wrote:"Mr speaker, I take that to mean that the honorable member is then opposed to recognizing the sovereignty of some of our closest neighbors as well as dozens of other countries. Truly, spectacular foreign policy suggestions from the member from the liberal democrats."
Alan walked into the chamber and sat while the member spoke. Afterwords, he stood and proclaimed "I would love to hear the honorable member's proposal on how best to deal with religious extremism, if not to shun it and disown it."

by Belmaria » Sun Jul 31, 2016 5:15 pm
Merizoc wrote:Belmaria wrote:Alan walked into the chamber and sat while the member spoke. Afterwords, he stood and proclaimed "I would love to hear the honorable member's proposal on how best to deal with religious extremism, if not to shun it and disown it."
"Mr speaker, I fail to see why the honorable member believes that is the purpose of this bill. Perhaps he left his reading glasses at home?"

by MERIZoC » Sun Jul 31, 2016 5:16 pm
Davincia wrote:Merizoc wrote:"Mr speaker, I take that to mean that the honorable member is then opposed to recognizing the sovereignty of some of our closest neighbors as well as dozens of other countries. Truly, spectacular foreign policy suggestions from the member from the liberal democrats."
"How can Elizia claim to support human rights if it tolerates murderous zealotry overseas? It makes no sense to recognize Palestine in the name of human rights. Honorable speaker, it is not just to legitimize hostile and oppressive regimes that have benefited no one."

by Nariterrr » Sun Jul 31, 2016 5:17 pm
Davincia wrote:Merizoc wrote:"Mr speaker, I take that to mean that the honorable member is then opposed to recognizing the sovereignty of some of our closest neighbors as well as dozens of other countries. Truly, spectacular foreign policy suggestions from the member from the liberal democrats."
"How can Elizia claim to support human rights if it tolerates murderous zealotry overseas? It makes no sense to recognize Palestine in the name of human rights. Honorable speaker, it is not just to legitimize hostile and oppressive regimes that have benefited no one."Belmaria wrote:Alan walked into the chamber and sat while the member spoke. Afterwords, he stood and proclaimed "I would love to hear the honorable member's proposal on how best to deal with religious extremism, if not to shun it and disown it."
"The first step is in denouncing groups and governments that practice religious extremism. Hamas would make an excellent starting point. Now is the time to show the world that Elizia will not blindly accept tyranny, wherever it may be."

by MERIZoC » Sun Jul 31, 2016 5:19 pm
Belmaria wrote:Merizoc wrote:"Mr speaker, I fail to see why the honorable member believes that is the purpose of this bill. Perhaps he left his reading glasses at home?"
"Mr Speaker, the purpose of this bill is obviously, among others, to recognize a quasi-religious state that has been responsible for the institution of theocracy. I am opposed to that section of the bill, and I will hope that ill-conceived arguments such as those regarding the supposed purpose of a bill, when said purpose is debatable at best, be left unspoken in the future."

by Nariterrr » Sun Jul 31, 2016 5:21 pm
Merizoc wrote:Belmaria wrote:"Mr Speaker, the purpose of this bill is obviously, among others, to recognize a quasi-religious state that has been responsible for the institution of theocracy. I am opposed to that section of the bill, and I will hope that ill-conceived arguments such as those regarding the supposed purpose of a bill, when said purpose is debatable at best, be left unspoken in the future."
"Again Mr. Speaker, do the blithering troglodytes that oppose this bill believe we would be better off not recognizing a substantial portion of UN member nations?"

by Skyviolia » Sun Jul 31, 2016 5:22 pm

by Wolfmanne2 » Sun Jul 31, 2016 5:23 pm
Mad hatters in jeans wrote:Yeah precipitating on everyone doesn't go down well usually. You seem patient enough to chat to us, i'm willing to count that as nice.
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