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Ikania
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Postby Ikania » Sun Jul 31, 2016 9:36 am

"I personally am of the opinion that every people, be it here or abroad, are entitled to the right of self-determination. The Palestinian Arabs have been trampled upon by Jewish settlers for too long, their homes taken from them, and their own personal rights impeded on. My ideology, and that of my party, is one that promotes freedom and liberation, not oppression under an ethno-centric government that discriminates against you. The Israeli state's control over Palestinian land is simply illegitimate and wrong. I most vociferously support this bill, and so will my party.

The same logic applies when thinking of Kosovo and the people of the Western Sahara. I'd urge all fellows in this body to vote for the bill at hand."
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Davincia
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Postby Davincia » Sun Jul 31, 2016 9:51 am

Ikania wrote:"I personally am of the opinion that every people, be it here or abroad, are entitled to the right of self-determination. The Palestinian Arabs have been trampled upon by Jewish settlers for too long, their homes taken from them, and their own personal rights impeded on. My ideology, and that of my party, is one that promotes freedom and liberation, not oppression under an ethno-centric government that discriminates against you. The Israeli state's control over Palestinian land is simply illegitimate and wrong. I most vociferously support this bill, and so will my party.

The same logic applies when thinking of Kosovo and the people of the Western Sahara. I'd urge all fellows in this body to vote for the bill at hand."

"Palestine, a state built on Sharia Law, is supported by your party, one that supposedly embraces freedom. A contradiction, perhaps?"
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Also, I do contend that Israel's mistakes are typical of a civilized nation. Many civilized nations have oppressed people and killed civilians, but the manner in which the Israelis have done so has not been matched by many, as my recollection goes."

"A civilized nation does not allow terrorists into their legislature."
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Nariterrr
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Postby Nariterrr » Sun Jul 31, 2016 10:02 am

"I support this bill with my whole heart. Not only am I in solidarity with the good people of Palestine, my Muslim, Christian and Jewish brothers in sisters, I believe that we must strongly condemn the nation of Israel for its violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention"
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MERIZoC
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Postby MERIZoC » Sun Jul 31, 2016 10:15 am

Failing to recognize the state of Palestine, something most other countries have done, would be a monumentally absurd thing. The idea that we should base our foreign policy, and arguments thereof, on that of the US and NATO is one I find quite amusing. If we want to work for regional cooperation, then we should not strive for pointless divisiveness with our neighbors, but unity.

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Davincia
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Postby Davincia » Sun Jul 31, 2016 10:33 am

Nariterrr wrote:"I support this bill with my whole heart. Not only am I in solidarity with the good people of Palestine, my Muslim, Christian and Jewish brothers in sisters, I believe that we must strongly condemn the nation of Israel for its violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention"

"Are you choosing to ignore Palestine's record for Antisemitism or terror? Israel's sins are few in comparison to the barbarians next to them."
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Nariterrr
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Postby Nariterrr » Sun Jul 31, 2016 10:51 am

Davincia wrote:
Nariterrr wrote:"I support this bill with my whole heart. Not only am I in solidarity with the good people of Palestine, my Muslim, Christian and Jewish brothers in sisters, I believe that we must strongly condemn the nation of Israel for its violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention"

"Are you choosing to ignore Palestine's record for Antisemitism or terror? Israel's sins are few in comparison to the barbarians next to them."

"So Palestine kills three Israels, and they are barbarians. But when Israels kill 1400 men women and children in bombings, their sins are only a few. "
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Davincia
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Postby Davincia » Sun Jul 31, 2016 11:13 am

Nariterrr wrote:
Davincia wrote:"Are you choosing to ignore Palestine's record for Antisemitism or terror? Israel's sins are few in comparison to the barbarians next to them."

"So Palestine kills three Israels, and they are barbarians. But when Israels kill 1400 men women and children in bombings, their sins are only a few. "

"Since 1948, slightly less than 4,000 Israelis have been killed by Palestinian terrorism. We should not favor a state controlled by these ruthless killers. We must differentiate between civilians killed accidentally and civilians killed purposefully."
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United Provinces of Atlantica
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Postby United Provinces of Atlantica » Sun Jul 31, 2016 11:32 am

Davincia wrote:
Nariterrr wrote:"So Palestine kills three Israels, and they are barbarians. But when Israels kill 1400 men women and children in bombings, their sins are only a few. "

"Since 1948, slightly less than 4,000 Israelis have been killed by Palestinian terrorism. We should not favor a state controlled by these ruthless killers. We must differentiate between civilians killed accidentally and civilians killed purposefully."

"Since September 29, 2000 alone, 2,134 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis whilst only 134 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians; when considering adults, the number rises to at least 9,410 Palestinians and only 1,207 Israelis have been killed. Thus, more than twice the number of Palestinians have been killed by Israelis in the past sixteen years than the amount of Israelis killed by Palestinians in the past sixty-eight. The facts do not line, Senator Aiguo."
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Postby Davincia » Sun Jul 31, 2016 12:29 pm

United Provinces of Atlantica wrote:
Davincia wrote:"Since 1948, slightly less than 4,000 Israelis have been killed by Palestinian terrorism. We should not favor a state controlled by these ruthless killers. We must differentiate between civilians killed accidentally and civilians killed purposefully."

"Since September 29, 2000 alone, 2,134 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis whilst only 134 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians; when considering adults, the number rises to at least 9,410 Palestinians and only 1,207 Israelis have been killed. Thus, more than twice the number of Palestinians have been killed by Israelis in the past sixteen years than the amount of Israelis killed by Palestinians in the past sixty-eight. The facts do not line, Senator Aiguo."

"Civilian casualties of war are to be expected when Israel is always on the defensive side. The statistics largely differ between UN, Israeli, and Palestinian sources. Should we also forget the number of Palestinians killed by others of their own kind?"
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Argentarino
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Postby Argentarino » Sun Jul 31, 2016 12:50 pm

Davincia wrote:
United Provinces of Atlantica wrote:"Since September 29, 2000 alone, 2,134 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis whilst only 134 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians; when considering adults, the number rises to at least 9,410 Palestinians and only 1,207 Israelis have been killed. Thus, more than twice the number of Palestinians have been killed by Israelis in the past sixteen years than the amount of Israelis killed by Palestinians in the past sixty-eight. The facts do not line, Senator Aiguo."

"Civilian casualties of war are to be expected when Israel is always on the defensive side. The statistics largely differ between UN, Israeli, and Palestinian sources. Should we also forget the number of Palestinians killed by others of their own kind?"

"Civilian casualties at this alarming rate should not be so lightly dismissed. My colleague clearly is clearly making excuses for his own actions as well as those of the State of Israel," Sayid said with a glare.
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MERIZoC
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Postby MERIZoC » Sun Jul 31, 2016 12:58 pm

"If the honorable member from the Liberal Democrats is opposed to the recognition of the Palestinian state on the basis of violence, then surely he is opposed to the recognition of most other modern nations, for they too are guilty of violence. Do the Liberal Democrats hold anarchists amongst their ranks?"
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Postby Davincia » Sun Jul 31, 2016 2:21 pm

Merizoc wrote:"If the honorable member from the Liberal Democrats is opposed to the recognition of the Palestinian state on the basis of violence, then surely he is opposed to the recognition of most other modern nations, for they too are guilty of violence. Do the Liberal Democrats hold anarchists amongst their ranks?"

"I am opposed on the basis of not only violence, but also religious extremism. Nations which follow Sharia Law do not deserve our respect."
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Postby MERIZoC » Sun Jul 31, 2016 2:55 pm

Davincia wrote:
Merizoc wrote:"If the honorable member from the Liberal Democrats is opposed to the recognition of the Palestinian state on the basis of violence, then surely he is opposed to the recognition of most other modern nations, for they too are guilty of violence. Do the Liberal Democrats hold anarchists amongst their ranks?"

"I am opposed on the basis of not only violence, but also religious extremism. Nations which follow Sharia Law do not deserve our respect."

"Mr speaker, I take that to mean that the honorable member is then opposed to recognizing the sovereignty of some of our closest neighbors as well as dozens of other countries. Truly, spectacular foreign policy suggestions from the member from the liberal democrats."
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Postby Belmaria » Sun Jul 31, 2016 3:05 pm

Merizoc wrote:
Davincia wrote:"I am opposed on the basis of not only violence, but also religious extremism. Nations which follow Sharia Law do not deserve our respect."

"Mr speaker, I take that to mean that the honorable member is then opposed to recognizing the sovereignty of some of our closest neighbors as well as dozens of other countries. Truly, spectacular foreign policy suggestions from the member from the liberal democrats."

Alan walked into the chamber and sat while the member spoke. Afterwords, he stood and proclaimed "I would love to hear the honorable member's proposal on how best to deal with religious extremism, if not to shun it and disown it."
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Davincia
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Postby Davincia » Sun Jul 31, 2016 3:45 pm

Merizoc wrote:
Davincia wrote:"I am opposed on the basis of not only violence, but also religious extremism. Nations which follow Sharia Law do not deserve our respect."

"Mr speaker, I take that to mean that the honorable member is then opposed to recognizing the sovereignty of some of our closest neighbors as well as dozens of other countries. Truly, spectacular foreign policy suggestions from the member from the liberal democrats."

"How can Elizia claim to support human rights if it tolerates murderous zealotry overseas? It makes no sense to recognize Palestine in the name of human rights. Honorable speaker, it is not just to legitimize hostile and oppressive regimes that have benefited no one."
Belmaria wrote:
Merizoc wrote:"Mr speaker, I take that to mean that the honorable member is then opposed to recognizing the sovereignty of some of our closest neighbors as well as dozens of other countries. Truly, spectacular foreign policy suggestions from the member from the liberal democrats."

Alan walked into the chamber and sat while the member spoke. Afterwords, he stood and proclaimed "I would love to hear the honorable member's proposal on how best to deal with religious extremism, if not to shun it and disown it."

"The first step is in denouncing groups and governments that practice religious extremism. Hamas would make an excellent starting point. Now is the time to show the world that Elizia will not blindly accept tyranny, wherever it may be."
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Postby Belmaria » Sun Jul 31, 2016 4:06 pm

Davincia wrote:
Merizoc wrote:"Mr speaker, I take that to mean that the honorable member is then opposed to recognizing the sovereignty of some of our closest neighbors as well as dozens of other countries. Truly, spectacular foreign policy suggestions from the member from the liberal democrats."

"How can Elizia claim to support human rights if it tolerates murderous zealotry overseas? It makes no sense to recognize Palestine in the name of human rights. Honorable speaker, it is not just to legitimize hostile and oppressive regimes that have benefited no one."
Belmaria wrote:Alan walked into the chamber and sat while the member spoke. Afterwords, he stood and proclaimed "I would love to hear the honorable member's proposal on how best to deal with religious extremism, if not to shun it and disown it."

"The first step is in denouncing groups and governments that practice religious extremism. Hamas would make an excellent starting point. Now is the time to show the world that Elizia will not blindly accept tyranny, wherever it may be."

Alan cheered at the comments.
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Postby Wolfmanne2 » Sun Jul 31, 2016 5:11 pm

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Postby MERIZoC » Sun Jul 31, 2016 5:11 pm

Belmaria wrote:
Merizoc wrote:"Mr speaker, I take that to mean that the honorable member is then opposed to recognizing the sovereignty of some of our closest neighbors as well as dozens of other countries. Truly, spectacular foreign policy suggestions from the member from the liberal democrats."

Alan walked into the chamber and sat while the member spoke. Afterwords, he stood and proclaimed "I would love to hear the honorable member's proposal on how best to deal with religious extremism, if not to shun it and disown it."

"Mr speaker, I fail to see why the honorable member believes that is the purpose of this bill. Perhaps he left his reading glasses at home?"

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Postby Belmaria » Sun Jul 31, 2016 5:15 pm

Merizoc wrote:
Belmaria wrote:Alan walked into the chamber and sat while the member spoke. Afterwords, he stood and proclaimed "I would love to hear the honorable member's proposal on how best to deal with religious extremism, if not to shun it and disown it."

"Mr speaker, I fail to see why the honorable member believes that is the purpose of this bill. Perhaps he left his reading glasses at home?"

"Mr Speaker, the purpose of this bill is obviously, among others, to recognize a quasi-religious state that has been responsible for the institution of theocracy. I am opposed to that section of the bill, and I will hope that ill-conceived arguments such as those regarding the supposed purpose of a bill, when said purpose is debatable at best, be left unspoken in the future."
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Postby MERIZoC » Sun Jul 31, 2016 5:16 pm

Davincia wrote:
Merizoc wrote:"Mr speaker, I take that to mean that the honorable member is then opposed to recognizing the sovereignty of some of our closest neighbors as well as dozens of other countries. Truly, spectacular foreign policy suggestions from the member from the liberal democrats."

"How can Elizia claim to support human rights if it tolerates murderous zealotry overseas? It makes no sense to recognize Palestine in the name of human rights. Honorable speaker, it is not just to legitimize hostile and oppressive regimes that have benefited no one."

Mr. Speaker, is this an admission that the honorable member is a half witted nincompoop who could not tell one end of a spoon from another? I think it is quite clear how flawed their foreign policy is, and yet they refuse to even acknowledge these mistakes, choosing instead to avoid the question as if they were some kind of bumbling British buffoon."

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Nariterrr
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Postby Nariterrr » Sun Jul 31, 2016 5:17 pm

Davincia wrote:
Merizoc wrote:"Mr speaker, I take that to mean that the honorable member is then opposed to recognizing the sovereignty of some of our closest neighbors as well as dozens of other countries. Truly, spectacular foreign policy suggestions from the member from the liberal democrats."

"How can Elizia claim to support human rights if it tolerates murderous zealotry overseas? It makes no sense to recognize Palestine in the name of human rights. Honorable speaker, it is not just to legitimize hostile and oppressive regimes that have benefited no one."
Belmaria wrote:Alan walked into the chamber and sat while the member spoke. Afterwords, he stood and proclaimed "I would love to hear the honorable member's proposal on how best to deal with religious extremism, if not to shun it and disown it."

"The first step is in denouncing groups and governments that practice religious extremism. Hamas would make an excellent starting point. Now is the time to show the world that Elizia will not blindly accept tyranny, wherever it may be."

"Ironic that you condemn nations who fail to adhere to human rights yet you endorse Israel, a violater of human rights."
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Postby MERIZoC » Sun Jul 31, 2016 5:19 pm

Belmaria wrote:
Merizoc wrote:"Mr speaker, I fail to see why the honorable member believes that is the purpose of this bill. Perhaps he left his reading glasses at home?"

"Mr Speaker, the purpose of this bill is obviously, among others, to recognize a quasi-religious state that has been responsible for the institution of theocracy. I am opposed to that section of the bill, and I will hope that ill-conceived arguments such as those regarding the supposed purpose of a bill, when said purpose is debatable at best, be left unspoken in the future."

"Again Mr. Speaker, do the blithering troglodytes that oppose this bill believe we would be better off not recognizing a substantial portion of UN member nations?"

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Nariterrr
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Postby Nariterrr » Sun Jul 31, 2016 5:21 pm

Merizoc wrote:
Belmaria wrote:"Mr Speaker, the purpose of this bill is obviously, among others, to recognize a quasi-religious state that has been responsible for the institution of theocracy. I am opposed to that section of the bill, and I will hope that ill-conceived arguments such as those regarding the supposed purpose of a bill, when said purpose is debatable at best, be left unspoken in the future."

"Again Mr. Speaker, do the blithering troglodytes that oppose this bill believe we would be better off not recognizing a substantial portion of UN member nations?"

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Skyviolia
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Ex-Nation

Postby Skyviolia » Sun Jul 31, 2016 5:22 pm

"There is no reason to oppose this bill and stand in support with the Palestinians against the murderous Israelis who treat Muslims and Christians like second class citizens!" Michel Nugati, a former priest and passonate pro-Palestine advocate, jumped up and said.
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Wolfmanne2
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Postby Wolfmanne2 » Sun Jul 31, 2016 5:23 pm

"Mr Speakers, I would like to express concern regarding the prudence in recognising the State of Palestine. Recognition of the State of Palestine is definitely a course of action we should pursue in the long-term in conjunction with the rest of the international community, but after peace negotiations that explicitly endorses a two-state solution and recognises the State of Israel's right to exist. Palestine has not reached a point where it is willing to achieve either of those. As a result, I will be voting against this prematurely introduced bill".
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