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Postby The Symplegades » Mon Aug 15, 2016 3:13 pm

Nariterrr wrote:"Mr. Speaker, I think I can speak for the majority of opposition members in this Senate. The majority of us have noted, even within your own government, that you have been sitting around doing nothing. It really is shameful. The majority of bills have as of yet come from members of the opposition and I can only count a few that have come from the Government, if any. I understand that this is a lame duck period and things will really start rolling when we adjourn the convention, but you have demonstrated a lack of leadership. I can only think of one member of your government, the Hon. John Chui, who is actually doing good work, and I commend him for that. But the lack of productivity is insane. Not to mention that your government has been unable to get your own members to go out and vote. The Opposition has surpassed you in the polls and so have we. You are now in third place and you have VERY high unfavorable.

In short, can the Government answer why it has been so inactive, and why should we support the government?

"In regards to the gentleman's incessant complaints, I would like to second the statement to remind the gentleman that this is a provisional government. Perhaps we can stop mentioning polls and popularity and actually form our government, instead of ridiculously claiming that a provisional government isn't passing enough legislation. Sit down sir, in this past hour you have been the one wasting valuable legislative time!"
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Postby The Licentian Isles » Mon Aug 15, 2016 3:15 pm

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The Licentian Isles wrote:"Question for the purpose of clarification, Mr Speaker; does a follow-up question, like that asked by the leader of the SLP, constitute a second question under the Free Questions Act ??"

"When do the words 'follow-up question' leave my mouth? Enlighten me?"


"You don't need to have said 'follow-up question' for it to be one, and even if what you said isn't classed as a follow-up question - in which case I will retract my statement - my question still stands. It's not something I remember seeing clarified in the Act, though I may be misremembering."

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Postby Nariterrr » Mon Aug 15, 2016 3:17 pm

The Licentian Isles wrote:
Nariterrr wrote:"When do the words 'follow-up question' leave my mouth? Enlighten me?"


"You don't need to have said 'follow-up question' for it to be one, and even if what you said isn't classed as a follow-up question - in which case I will retract my statement - my question still stands. It's not something I remember seeing clarified in the Act, though I may be misremembering."

"The Minister did not answer my question properly, it wasn't a follow up question because I wasn't presenting any new questions."
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Postby The Licentian Isles » Mon Aug 15, 2016 3:18 pm

Nariterrr wrote:
The Licentian Isles wrote:
"You don't need to have said 'follow-up question' for it to be one, and even if what you said isn't classed as a follow-up question - in which case I will retract my statement - my question still stands. It's not something I remember seeing clarified in the Act, though I may be misremembering."

"The Minister did not answer my question properly, it wasn't a follow up question because I wasn't presenting any new questions."


"My question still stands; the honourable gentleman would do well to come off the defensive."

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Postby Nariterrr » Mon Aug 15, 2016 3:19 pm

The Symplegades wrote:
Nariterrr wrote:"Mr. Speaker, I think I can speak for the majority of opposition members in this Senate. The majority of us have noted, even within your own government, that you have been sitting around doing nothing. It really is shameful. The majority of bills have as of yet come from members of the opposition and I can only count a few that have come from the Government, if any. I understand that this is a lame duck period and things will really start rolling when we adjourn the convention, but you have demonstrated a lack of leadership. I can only think of one member of your government, the Hon. John Chui, who is actually doing good work, and I commend him for that. But the lack of productivity is insane. Not to mention that your government has been unable to get your own members to go out and vote. The Opposition has surpassed you in the polls and so have we. You are now in third place and you have VERY high unfavorable.

In short, can the Government answer why it has been so inactive, and why should we support the government?

"In regards to the gentleman's incessant complaints, I would like to second the statement to remind the gentleman that this is a provisional government. Perhaps we can stop mentioning polls and popularity and actually form our government, instead of ridiculously claiming that a provisional government isn't passing enough legislation. Sit down sir, in this past hour you have been the one wasting valuable legislative time!"

I have the right to ask two questions on the behalf of my party. That is my right. I will ask whatever questions I want and I will receive an answer. Read the fine print of the law. No you sir sit down and learn your place."
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Postby The Licentian Isles » Mon Aug 15, 2016 3:21 pm

Nariterrr wrote:
The Symplegades wrote:"In regards to the gentleman's incessant complaints, I would like to second the statement to remind the gentleman that this is a provisional government. Perhaps we can stop mentioning polls and popularity and actually form our government, instead of ridiculously claiming that a provisional government isn't passing enough legislation. Sit down sir, in this past hour you have been the one wasting valuable legislative time!"

I have the right to ask two questions on the behalf of my party. That is my right. I will ask whatever questions I want and I will receive an answer. Read the fine print of the law. No you sir sit down and learn your place."


"Have you not considered the possibility that other members of your party may have questions to ask of the government ??"

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Postby The Symplegades » Mon Aug 15, 2016 3:25 pm

Nariterrr wrote:
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"In regards to the gentleman's incessant complaints, I would like to second the statement to remind the gentleman that this is a provisional government. Perhaps we can stop mentioning polls and popularity and actually form our government, instead of ridiculously claiming that a provisional government isn't passing enough legislation. Sit down sir, in this past hour you have been the one wasting valuable legislative time!"

I have the right to ask two questions on the behalf of my party. That is my right. I will ask whatever questions I want and I will receive an answer. Read the fine print of the law. No you sir sit down and learn your place."


"No one is denyig you that right. We are simply stating how utterly ridiculous your whining is. As I said, please sit down and stop trying to disrupt the rest of us from doing what we were elected to do!"
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Postby Nariterrr » Mon Aug 15, 2016 3:26 pm

The Licentian Isles wrote:
Nariterrr wrote:I have the right to ask two questions on the behalf of my party. That is my right. I will ask whatever questions I want and I will receive an answer. Read the fine print of the law. No you sir sit down and learn your place."


"Have you not considered the possibility that other members of your party may have questions to ask of the government ??"

"Yes, I have. Last time I checked, I am not prohibiting anyone from asking a question, am I? I am making sure the government is accountable. If you want to ask a question, go ahead, I won't stop you or anyone else.
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Postby The Licentian Isles » Mon Aug 15, 2016 3:27 pm

Nariterrr wrote:
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"Have you not considered the possibility that other members of your party may have questions to ask of the government ??"

"Yes, I have. Last time I checked, I am not prohibiting anyone from asking a question, am I? I am making sure the government is accountable. If you want to ask a question, go ahead, I won't stop you or anyone else.


"By asking two questions, you would be preventing anyone else from the Social Liberal Party from asking a question during this session. I believe it is you who needs to read the fine print."

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Postby Nariterrr » Mon Aug 15, 2016 3:29 pm

The Symplegades wrote:
Nariterrr wrote:I have the right to ask two questions on the behalf of my party. That is my right. I will ask whatever questions I want and I will receive an answer. Read the fine print of the law. No you sir sit down and learn your place."


"No one is denyig you that right. We are simply stating how utterly ridiculous your whining is. As I said, please sit down and stop trying to disrupt the rest of us from doing what we were elected to do!"

"And what are you doing right now? What is this period reserved for? Asking questions. That is what I am doing, that is what you should be doing. I am not trying to disrupt you, I am exercising my right. Asking for another answer because I feel like the one presented to me was incomplete is not whining.

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Nariterrr wrote:"Yes, I have. Last time I checked, I am not prohibiting anyone from asking a question, am I? I am making sure the government is accountable. If you want to ask a question, go ahead, I won't stop you or anyone else.


"By asking two questions, you would be preventing anyone else from the Social Liberal Party from asking a question during this session. I believe it is you who needs to read the fine print."

"I am the Party Leader, it is my job to represent the party and ask the questions."
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Postby The Licentian Isles » Mon Aug 15, 2016 3:29 pm

Nariterrr wrote:
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"By asking two questions, you would be preventing anyone else from the Social Liberal Party from asking a question during this session. I believe it is you who needs to read the fine print."

"I am the Party Leader, it is my job to represent the party and ask the questions."


"So long as you are aware of that Senator."

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Postby The Symplegades » Mon Aug 15, 2016 3:31 pm

Nariterrr wrote:
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"No one is denyig you that right. We are simply stating how utterly ridiculous your whining is. As I said, please sit down and stop trying to disrupt the rest of us from doing what we were elected to do!"

"And what are you doing right now? What is this period reserved for? Asking questions. That is what I am doing, that is what you should be doing. I am not trying to disrupt you, I am exercising my right. Asking for another answer because I feel like the one presented to me was incomplete is not whining.


"This period is for asking policy questions. You are just interrupting to complain and start trouble"
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Postby Nariterrr » Mon Aug 15, 2016 3:34 pm

The Symplegades wrote:
Nariterrr wrote:"And what are you doing right now? What is this period reserved for? Asking questions. That is what I am doing, that is what you should be doing. I am not trying to disrupt you, I am exercising my right. Asking for another answer because I feel like the one presented to me was incomplete is not whining.


"This period is for asking policy questions. You are just interrupting to complain and start trouble"

"I am not prohibiting anyone from asking questions, I am just asking from a clarification. If you want to ask a question, by all means, ask it and stop with this nonsense."

The Licentian Isles wrote:
Nariterrr wrote:"I am the Party Leader, it is my job to represent the party and ask the questions."


"So long as you are aware of that Senator."

The Constitution of the Social Liberal Party reads -
1. The Party Leader shall be the official representative of the party before Parliament


"Yes, I quite am."
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Postby The Licentian Isles » Mon Aug 15, 2016 3:36 pm

Nariterrr wrote:
The Licentian Isles wrote:
"So long as you are aware of that Senator."

The Constitution of the Social Liberal Party reads -
1. The Party Leader shall be the official representative of the party before Parliament


"Yes, I quite am."


"I'm glad to hear that Senator. So long as your party can hold you accountable as you claim to hold this government to account."

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Postby The Symplegades » Mon Aug 15, 2016 3:37 pm

Cornelius Sivousong-VanDerLoon stands up and begins to speak:

"Mr. Speaker, I I may have a word, I'd like to ask the members of the other parties why my fishery bill has not reiceved any collaboration or sizeable support, other than two sponsors. Does this government acknowledge the importance of a Fishery Service, or does it wish for depleted reefs?"
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Postby Nariterrr » Mon Aug 15, 2016 3:39 pm

The Licentian Isles wrote:
Nariterrr wrote:
The Constitution of the Social Liberal Party reads -


"Yes, I quite am."


"I'm glad to hear that Senator. So long as your party can hold you accountable as you claim to hold this government to account."

"Well, Senator, under my leadership, the party went from a backbencher nobody to one of the largest parties and the largest non-coalition party in Elizia with a hell of a lot of support and backing. I think that my party members are happy with the course I have set this party on."
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Postby The Licentian Isles » Mon Aug 15, 2016 3:40 pm

Nariterrr wrote:
The Licentian Isles wrote:
"I'm glad to hear that Senator. So long as your party can hold you accountable as you claim to hold this government to account."

"Well, Senator, under my leadership, the party went from a backbencher nobody to one of the largest parties and the largest non-coalition party in Elizia with a hell of a lot of support and backing. I think that my party members are happy with the course I have set this party on."


"You have missed the point, as seems to be a common theme in my conversations with you."

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Postby Nariterrr » Mon Aug 15, 2016 5:52 pm

The Licentian Isles wrote:
Nariterrr wrote:"Well, Senator, under my leadership, the party went from a backbencher nobody to one of the largest parties and the largest non-coalition party in Elizia with a hell of a lot of support and backing. I think that my party members are happy with the course I have set this party on."


"You have missed the point, as seems to be a common theme in my conversations with you."

"If you have something to say about me or my party, I invite him to stop beating around the bush and say what you want to say."
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Postby Maklohi Vai » Mon Aug 15, 2016 10:54 pm

"Mister Speaker, two points. First, I will not be responding to Senator Corbor's follow-up, as he was merely restating what he asked in his question and ignored my response. I don't consider his response to mine to be a follow-up question, for the record, but that's not my place to decide.

The Symplegades wrote:Cornelius Sivousong-VanDerLoon stands up and begins to speak:

"Mr. Speaker, I I may have a word, I'd like to ask the members of the other parties why my fishery bill has not reiceved any collaboration or sizeable support, other than two sponsors. Does this government acknowledge the importance of a Fishery Service, or does it wish for depleted reefs?"

"Second, Mister Speaker, I believe my fellow Labour colleague has misunderstood the purpose of the Free Questions Act: it is to ask questions of the government specifically, rather than others more broadly. And for the record, once again, I do support the Fisheries Act and wish to see it debated. Thank you."
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Postby The Sarian » Tue Aug 16, 2016 1:46 am

Nariterrr wrote:
The Symplegades wrote:"In regards to the gentleman's incessant complaints, I would like to second the statement to remind the gentleman that this is a provisional government. Perhaps we can stop mentioning polls and popularity and actually form our government, instead of ridiculously claiming that a provisional government isn't passing enough legislation. Sit down sir, in this past hour you have been the one wasting valuable legislative time!"

I have the right to ask two questions on the behalf of my party. That is my right. I will ask whatever questions I want and I will receive an answer. Read the fine print of the law. No you sir sit down and learn your place."

"Point of order, Mister Speaker, is telling honourable members to learn their place even remotely parliamentary?"
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The Sarian wrote:Sa Ri An shouts "shame, shame" from her seat.


"Order, order."

The Licentian Isles wrote:"Question for the purpose of clarification, Mr Speaker; does a follow-up question, like that asked by the leader of the SLP, constitute a second question under the Free Questions Act ??"


"To allow as many people to ask questions, I shall not, unless the Hon. Abraham Kamassi, the original author of this Act, would care to clarify this point."

The Sarian wrote:"Point of order, Mister Speaker, is telling honourable members to learn their place even remotely parliamentary?"


"Order, order. The Hon. Senator must withdraw that comment. Telling fellow parliamentarians to learn their place is hardly the kind of behaviour expected in this Chamber."
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Postby The Symplegades » Tue Aug 16, 2016 6:44 am

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"Mr. Speaker, I will withdraw my comment. I'd also like to apologize to the gentleman for my outburst and to this Senate for having caused a row. No further comment on this matter"
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Postby Maklohi Vai » Tue Aug 16, 2016 6:47 am

Tumbra wrote:
The Sarian wrote:Sa Ri An shouts "shame, shame" from her seat.


"Order, order."

The Licentian Isles wrote:"Question for the purpose of clarification, Mr Speaker; does a follow-up question, like that asked by the leader of the SLP, constitute a second question under the Free Questions Act ??"


"To allow as many people to ask questions, I shall not, unless the Hon. Abraham Kamassi, the original author of this Act, would care to clarify this point."

The Sarian wrote:"Point of order, Mister Speaker, is telling honourable members to learn their place even remotely parliamentary?"


"Order, order. The Hon. Senator must withdraw that comment. Telling fellow parliamentarians to learn their place is hardly the kind of behaviour expected in this Chamber."

"A question is a question, Mister Speaker, follow-up or original. Senator Corbor's response to my speech was not a question, just a statement."
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Postby MERIZoC » Tue Aug 16, 2016 8:19 am

"Mr. Speaker, my question is directed towards the Minister for Foreign Affairs, Katijah bent Nadeem [Uotw]. Why, minister, under your guidance, has the government not made further strides in integrating Elizia into the international community? Thus far you have only presented a handful of bills, each of which would only have had us join a single organization, respectively. In these uncertain times, our provisional government should be doing more to set Elizia on a proper route forward, and that includes international cooperation, but they have neglected this."

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Postby Nariterrr » Tue Aug 16, 2016 8:31 am

"Speaking of inactivity, Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask why the Minister of Economic Affairs, The Hon. (Vedastia) has not authored any bill and only sponsored one bill (from what I can tell), and why has the Hon. (Vedastia) not once voted in this Chamber? Also speaking of inactivity, the Foreign Minister has also not been active in the Senate and has, as of yet, not voted on a single bill and has only introduced one bill (which falled) and only sponsored one bill?

Again, speaking of inactivity, the President failed to show for questions last week and this week. It seems like the President has had a tough time selecting his ministers and ensuring an active provincial government. Hasn't he?"
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