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Postby Davincia » Sun Jul 24, 2016 9:34 am

Repeal of the Elizian Housing Act
Author: Linanto Aiguo (LDP)
Sponsors: Raharjo Iskandar-Bambang (EF), Ryan binti Kamaaluddeen (SU), Alan Chan (SLP), Ahmed von Oberndorf (SLP), Chi Guozhi (LDP), Nick Highbury (LDP)

To eliminate matters not deemed essential to governmental concern.

BE IT THEREFORE ENACTED by the Head of the State, by and with the counsel of the Government, and the authority of the Federal Parliament by virtue of the powers placed upon it by the Law, as follows:


1. The Elizian Housing Act shall henceforth be rendered null and void.
2. The Elizian Housing Authority is to be dismantled immediately upon the passing of this bill.
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Postby The Licentian Isles » Sun Jul 24, 2016 9:41 am

Davincia wrote:
Repeal of the Elizian Housing Act
Author: Linanto Aiguo (LDP)
Sponsors:

To eliminate matters not deemed essential to governmental concern.

BE IT THEREFORE ENACTED by the Head of the State, by and with the counsel of the Government, and the authority of the Federal Parliament by virtue of the powers placed upon it by the Law, as follows:


1. The Elizian Housing Act shall henceforth be rendered null and void.
2. The Elizian Housing Authority is to be dismantled immediately upon the passing of this bill.


You might want to justify why it should be repealed.
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Postby The Sarian » Sun Jul 24, 2016 9:46 am

The Licentian Isles wrote:
Davincia wrote:
Repeal of the Elizian Housing Act
Author: Linanto Aiguo (LDP)
Sponsors:

To eliminate matters not deemed essential to governmental concern.

BE IT THEREFORE ENACTED by the Head of the State, by and with the counsel of the Government, and the authority of the Federal Parliament by virtue of the powers placed upon it by the Law, as follows:


1. The Elizian Housing Act shall henceforth be rendered null and void.
2. The Elizian Housing Authority is to be dismantled immediately upon the passing of this bill.


You might want to justify why it should be repealed.

Surely that's what debate in Parliament is for?
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Postby Arkolon » Sun Jul 24, 2016 9:50 am

Davincia wrote:
Repeal of the Elizian Housing Act
Author: Linanto Aiguo (LDP)
Sponsors:

To eliminate matters not deemed essential to governmental concern.

BE IT THEREFORE ENACTED by the Head of the State, by and with the counsel of the Government, and the authority of the Federal Parliament by virtue of the powers placed upon it by the Law, as follows:


1. The Elizian Housing Act shall henceforth be rendered null and void.
2. The Elizian Housing Authority is to be dismantled immediately upon the passing of this bill.

Sponsored, Raharjo Iskandar-Bambang.
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Postby The Licentian Isles » Sun Jul 24, 2016 10:01 am

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You might want to justify why it should be repealed.

Surely that's what debate in Parliament is for?


Yes, but I certainly wouldn't sponsor a bill with no justification behind it.
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Postby Malgrave » Sun Jul 24, 2016 11:58 am


First Amendment to the Elizian Housing Act

Author: Emilia Larsen (NWP)
Sponsors: Putu Hutapea (ENC), Tjilik Beluluk (PtH), Chu Canh Kim (LP)
An act to ammend parts of the Elizian Housing Act


§1 - Ammendment

1. Repeals Section 2.1 of the Elizian Housing Act and replaces it with the following

"All properties constructed and managed by the EHA shall be required to meet standards established by the Department of Environment and the Department of Energy in energy efficiency and habitability"


I noticed one issue with the EHA that can be solved rather quickly. :p
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Postby Kamchastkia » Sun Jul 24, 2016 12:09 pm

Malgrave wrote:

First ammendment to the Elizian Housing Act

Author: Emilia Larsen (NWP)
Sponsors:
An act to ammend parts of the Elizian Housing Act


§1 - Ammendment

1. Repeals Section 2.1 of the Elizian Housing Act and replaces it with the following

"All properties constructed and managed by the EHA shall be required to meet standards established by the Department of Environment and the Department of Energy in energy efficiency and habitability"


I noticed one issue with the EHA that can be solved rather quickly. :p

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Postby Maklohi Vai » Sun Jul 24, 2016 1:59 pm

Malgrave wrote:

First ammendment to the Elizian Housing Act

Author: Emilia Larsen (NWP)
Sponsors:
An act to ammend parts of the Elizian Housing Act


§1 - Ammendment

1. Repeals Section 2.1 of the Elizian Housing Act and replaces it with the following

"All properties constructed and managed by the EHA shall be required to meet standards established by the Department of Environment and the Department of Energy in energy efficiency and habitability"


I noticed one issue with the EHA that can be solved rather quickly. :p

I'll sponsor if you wouldn't mind amending the title ;)
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Postby Davincia » Sun Jul 24, 2016 2:13 pm

The Licentian Isles wrote:
The Sarian wrote:Surely that's what debate in Parliament is for?


Yes, but I certainly wouldn't sponsor a bill with no justification behind it.

The justification lies within turning back control to the private sector.
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Postby The Licentian Isles » Sun Jul 24, 2016 2:20 pm

Davincia wrote:
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Yes, but I certainly wouldn't sponsor a bill with no justification behind it.

The justification lies within turning back control to the private sector.


Or you could just accept the will of this Parliament, which voted literally a day ago to put this in the hands of the public sector.
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Postby Malgrave » Sun Jul 24, 2016 2:26 pm

Davincia wrote:
The Licentian Isles wrote:
Yes, but I certainly wouldn't sponsor a bill with no justification behind it.

The justification lies within turning back control to the private sector.


The EHA does not prevent the private sector from building houses.
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Postby Malgrave » Sun Jul 24, 2016 2:31 pm

I've been thinking about establishing a national postal service. A WIP. :p


Postal Service Act

Author: Emilia Larsen (NWP)
Sponsors: Putu Hutapea (ENC), Tjilik Beluluk (PtH), Chu Canh Kim (LP), Abraham Kamassi (LP), Ahmed Corbor (SLP)
An act to establish a national postal and banking service.

§1 - ENPA

1. The Ministry of Social Affairs is instructed to found the Elizian National Postal Authority
2. The Elizian National Postal Authority (ENPA) is tasked with the delivery of national and international mail in Elizia
3. ENPA shall be the sole commercial distributor of mail inside Elizia by 2020.

§2 - ENBIS

1. The Elizian National Postal Authority is instructed to found the Elizian National Bank and Insurance Service (ENBIS)
2. ENBIS is tasked with providing efficient banking and insurance services in Elizia.

§3 - Management and Profits

1. All companies mentioned in this legislation will receive a one-time starting investment by the Ministry of Social Affairs in order to have adequate starting capital.
2. The Ministry of Social Affairs shall be responsible for appointing the boards of the companies created by this legislation.
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Postby Davincia » Sun Jul 24, 2016 3:03 pm

The Licentian Isles wrote:
Davincia wrote:The justification lies within turning back control to the private sector.


Or you could just accept the will of this Parliament, which voted literally a day ago to put this in the hands of the public sector.

If I have the power to reverse the decisions of parliament, why would I not use it?
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Postby The Licentian Isles » Sun Jul 24, 2016 3:10 pm

Davincia wrote:
The Licentian Isles wrote:
Or you could just accept the will of this Parliament, which voted literally a day ago to put this in the hands of the public sector.

If I have the power to reverse the decisions of parliament, why would I not use it?


It seems rather pointless, and almost on the verge of time-wasting, to put this bill into the queue mere hours after the bill it intends to repeal was voted through by this Parliament, especially based on the comments from the author addressing your concerns.
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Sun Jul 24, 2016 4:22 pm

Davincia wrote:
Repeal of the Elizian Housing Act
Author: Linanto Aiguo (LDP)
Sponsors: Raharjo Iskandar-Bambang

To eliminate matters not deemed essential to governmental concern.

BE IT THEREFORE ENACTED by the Head of the State, by and with the counsel of the Government, and the authority of the Federal Parliament by virtue of the powers placed upon it by the Law, as follows:


1. The Elizian Housing Act shall henceforth be rendered null and void.
2. The Elizian Housing Authority is to be dismantled immediately upon the passing of this bill.


thank god someone has actually addressed this horrible piece of legislation

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Postby The Liberated Territories » Sun Jul 24, 2016 4:30 pm

The Licentian Isles wrote:
Davincia wrote:
Repeal of the Elizian Housing Act
Author: Linanto Aiguo (LDP)
Sponsors:

To eliminate matters not deemed essential to governmental concern.

BE IT THEREFORE ENACTED by the Head of the State, by and with the counsel of the Government, and the authority of the Federal Parliament by virtue of the powers placed upon it by the Law, as follows:


1. The Elizian Housing Act shall henceforth be rendered null and void.
2. The Elizian Housing Authority is to be dismantled immediately upon the passing of this bill.


You might want to justify why it should be repealed.


Do you want to know why? Because it would flood and crash the housing market with government built houses that would also raise debt tremendously with solar panels costing up to 30k extra per house (assuming that they are all "free.") Furthermore this does not set a limit on how many houses should be built, or how many homeless there are in need of a house - all it demands is that houses be built every year when homes can be currently resold.

The reality is that it won't be free and we'd probably end up with a lot of peopleless houses and a lot of homeless people that can't afford them. AKA basically the same problem with the US
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Postby New Werpland » Sun Jul 24, 2016 4:42 pm

Davincia wrote:
Repeal of the Elizian Housing Act
Author: Linanto Aiguo (LDP)
Sponsors: Raharjo Iskandar-Bambang

To eliminate matters not deemed essential to governmental concern.

BE IT THEREFORE ENACTED by the Head of the State, by and with the counsel of the Government, and the authority of the Federal Parliament by virtue of the powers placed upon it by the Law, as follows:


1. The Elizian Housing Act shall henceforth be rendered null and void.
2. The Elizian Housing Authority is to be dismantled immediately upon the passing of this bill.

Ryan sponsors.

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Postby Belmaria » Sun Jul 24, 2016 4:54 pm

The Licentian Isles wrote:
Davincia wrote:The justification lies within turning back control to the private sector.


Or you could just accept the will of this Parliament, which voted literally a day ago to put this in the hands of the public sector.

That has to be the most illogical argument I have ever heard. "We just voted for X, and you're still against it?!"

Absolute unintelligent nonsense.
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Postby House of Judah » Sun Jul 24, 2016 5:00 pm

Belmaria wrote:
The Licentian Isles wrote:
Or you could just accept the will of this Parliament, which voted literally a day ago to put this in the hands of the public sector.

That has to be the most illogical argument I have ever heard. "We just voted for X, and you're still against it?!"

Absolute unintelligent nonsense.

More like "Why are you trying to repeal what literally just passed? How do you think you possibly have the votes for this?"

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Postby New Werpland » Sun Jul 24, 2016 5:03 pm

House of Judah wrote:
Belmaria wrote:That has to be the most illogical argument I have ever heard. "We just voted for X, and you're still against it?!"

Absolute unintelligent nonsense.

More like "Why are you trying to repeal what literally just passed? How do you think you possibly have the votes for this?"

How close was the vote?

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Postby Belmaria » Sun Jul 24, 2016 5:04 pm

House of Judah wrote:
Belmaria wrote:That has to be the most illogical argument I have ever heard. "We just voted for X, and you're still against it?!"

Absolute unintelligent nonsense.

More like "Why are you trying to repeal what literally just passed? How do you think you possibly have the votes for this?"

There were enough abstentions to overturn the vote if they were all abstained nays. If we were to vote on the matter again, the bill might get repealed. I, for one, had not considered the potential for the act to create a housing bubble. I'm now reconsidering my vote in favor of the initial bill, as I'm sure others are as well.
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Postby Britanno 2 » Sun Jul 24, 2016 5:12 pm

Belmaria wrote:There were enough abstentions to overturn the vote if they were all abstained nays. If we were to vote on the matter again, the bill might get repealed. I, for one, had not considered the potential for the act to create a housing bubble. I'm now reconsidering my vote in favor of the initial bill, as I'm sure others are as well.

You want a re-vote because you've changed your mind?
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Postby Belmaria » Sun Jul 24, 2016 5:21 pm

Britanno 2 wrote:
Belmaria wrote:There were enough abstentions to overturn the vote if they were all abstained nays. If we were to vote on the matter again, the bill might get repealed. I, for one, had not considered the potential for the act to create a housing bubble. I'm now reconsidering my vote in favor of the initial bill, as I'm sure others are as well.

You want a re-vote because you've changed your mind?

I want a re-vote because I'm convinced that new arguments have surfaced which may cause many others to change their minds.
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Sun Jul 24, 2016 5:34 pm

i knew this ahead of time
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Postby Kamchastkia » Sun Jul 24, 2016 5:50 pm

Belmaria wrote:
House of Judah wrote:More like "Why are you trying to repeal what literally just passed? How do you think you possibly have the votes for this?"

There were enough abstentions to overturn the vote if they were all abstained nays. If we were to vote on the matter again, the bill might get repealed. I, for one, had not considered the potential for the act to create a housing bubble. I'm now reconsidering my vote in favor of the initial bill, as I'm sure others are as well.

"If every single person who abstained votes in favor of a repeal of said bill it would be a miracle, it's an impossibility senator, and you know it. This is a morbid waste of time of this Senate in such times."

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