Labour Party of Elizia [NSG Senate]

[Beta Test]

So I've entered the party into talks about joining the National Coalition alongside Elizia First, Path to Harmony and the NIP. Unfortunately they've announced the Coalition before I could get the party's opinion.

The reasons I think we should join the coalition are primarily based on common economics. All parties involved have a vision of improving the economic and social situation in the country through government-led economic development. This combination of parties will be able to take government and advance a leftist economic agenda.

I understand there might be some apprehension over the NIP's unsavory social policies but my understanding is that they will have no binding upon the rest of the coalition.

Pls give thoughts pls.

My concerns also rest with Elizia First. They appear to be as bad as the NIP in regards to social policy, not to mention what appears to be a desire to throw us back into the Stone Age. I can't believe I'm saying this, but I would rather that we form a coalition with Path to Harmony and the Communists. The NIP and EFP stand for very few of our values, and they will not hesitate to make that known and work against the interests of our party and our people.

Elizia First and NIP will have no dictation over our or the Coalition's social policy. This alliance is based on a common economic platform. Path to Harmony, who are probably our most natural allies, have committed themselves to this Coalition. If we want to be a party of government, this is our way to do it.

I have negotiated very good representation for Labour in a potential Cabinet. I do not see any other way we can get into government and impact policy.

[Argentarino]

After much thought and prayer, I have decided that I cannot, in good faith, support the coalition that has been cobbled together or remain as a member of the Labour Party. When I joined the party, I did so in the hope that we would be working with truly like-minded parties in order to work for an Elizia with social democratic principles. I see today that this is not the case. Some have simply brushed aside our difference in our social platform as either insignificant or as the means to a greater end. I hold my morals to a level of great importance in my decision-making, and those morals dictate equality for all Elizians. I cannot stomach working with vestiges of the old regime within the Elizia First Party, nor can I stomach working with radicals who would see our great country further divided and made to appear like Indonesia or Saudi Arabia. It is with a heavy heart that I leave the party, but I hope that Labour will change its mind, eventually, and see that they are working with scoundrels.

[Coconut Isle]

After much thought and prayer, I have decided that I cannot, in good faith, support the coalition that has been cobbled together or remain as a member of the Labour Party. When I joined the party, I did so in the hope that we would be working with truly like-minded parties in order to work for an Elizia with social democratic principles. I see today that this is not the case. Some have simply brushed aside our difference in our social platform as either insignificant or as the means to a greater end. I hold my morals to a level of great importance in my decision-making, and those morals dictate equality for all Elizians. I cannot stomach working with vestiges of the old regime within the Elizia First Party, nor can I stomach working with radicals who would see our great country further divided and made to appear like Indonesia or Saudi Arabia. It is with a heavy heart that I leave the party, but I hope that Labour will change its mind, eventually, and see that they are working with scoundrels.

Two points:

1) The agreement has been revoked by a majority decision of the EF executive.

2) It is obvious that both Labour, Elizia First and PoH disagree with the NIP on some social issues. You've left the party despite the fact that
A) These views are consistent with the real-world views of many Muslims, and indeed their parties, and nations in the general area of Elizia, and in the interests of IC you're not really adhering to that principle of comity.
B) The NIP does not hold a commanding majority even within the cabinet. Do you really think some of the more extreme policies would be passed by the cabinet?

So I've entered the party into talks about joining the National Coalition alongside Elizia First, Path to Harmony and the NIP. Unfortunately they've announced the Coalition before I could get the party's opinion.

The reasons I think we should join the coalition are primarily based on common economics. All parties involved have a vision of improving the economic and social situation in the country through government-led economic development. This combination of parties will be able to take government and advance a leftist economic agenda.

I understand there might be some apprehension over the NIP's unsavory social policies but my understanding is that they will have no binding upon the rest of the coalition.

Pls give thoughts pls.

My concerns also rest with Elizia First. They appear to be as bad as the NIP in regards to social policy, not to mention what appears to be a desire to throw us back into the Stone Age. I can't believe I'm saying this, but I would rather that we form a coalition with Path to Harmony and the Communists. The NIP and EFP stand for very few of our values, and they will not hesitate to make that known and work against the interests of our party and our people.

Also you keep calling us bigoted and stuck in the Stone Age. Explain exactly where in the EFP manifesto where this is the case. Because all I see is potentially only three dot points you could possibly not agree with. We've said it over and over that this is a coalition based on the economy. Most policies are going to be geared towards the economy. We must prevent the corporatists and the big end of town from taking power.

[Britanno 2]

While I hate Elizia First, I can stomach working with them. But I would join the opposition if we went into government with the NIP. I understand the benefits of working with them, but if you think about it going into government with them means losing two of our members (Arg and I). The NIP only has 3 members, so realistically the NIP only gives the coalition one more seat than if it was without it (and this is presuming that Arg and I are the only ones that are opposed to working with the NIP).

[The Licentian Isles]

While I hate Elizia First, I can stomach working with them. But I would join the opposition if we went into government with the NIP. I understand the benefits of working with them, but if you think about it going into government with them means losing two of our members (Arg and I). The NIP only has 3 members, so realistically the NIP only gives the coalition one more seat than if it was without it (and this is presuming that Arg and I are the only ones that are opposed to working with the NIP).

I personally couldn't support a coalition involving the NIP either, and would likely follow Arg and Brit into opposition were this to be the party's direction.

[MERIZoC]

Look, beta's our proposed minister of health and social policy, so again, you guys reaaaaaally don't need to worry. You also have an additional cabinet spot beyond that (out of 7) and the NIP has just one. Leaving the party won't do anything except assure that your ideas won't be represented? You honestly expect the libdems to be accommodating when they believe that healthcare and education as rights is literally Stalinism?

[The Union of the West]

Look, beta's our proposed minister of health and social policy, so again, you guys reaaaaaally don't need to worry. You also have an additional cabinet spot beyond that (out of 7) and the NIP has just one. Leaving the party won't do anything except assure that your ideas won't be represented? You honestly expect the libdems to be accommodating when they believe that healthcare and education as rights is literally Stalinism?

You realize that our platform literally says we support free and universal education up to the university level and a healthcare system that provides for healthcare necessities of those who can't afford insurance, right?

[MERIZoC]

Look, beta's our proposed minister of health and social policy, so again, you guys reaaaaaally don't need to worry. You also have an additional cabinet spot beyond that (out of 7) and the NIP has just one. Leaving the party won't do anything except assure that your ideas won't be represented? You honestly expect the libdems to be accommodating when they believe that healthcare and education as rights is literally Stalinism?

You realize that our platform literally says we support free and universal education up to the university level and a healthcare system that provides for healthcare necessities of those who can't afford insurance, right?

shrug

Davincias posts in the coffee shop suggest otherwise

[The Union of the West]

You realize that our platform literally says we support free and universal education up to the university level and a healthcare system that provides for healthcare necessities of those who can't afford insurance, right?

shrug

Davincias posts in the coffee shop suggest otherwise

His senator is supposed to represent the far-right fringe of our party. His bio even says "His relationship with the Liberal Democrats is a tenuous one." His senator thinks there's some sort of Marxist conspiracy to take over Elizia, so the anti-communist rhetoric and paranoia is kind of expected.

[Maklohi Vai]

"I stand with my colleagues. Islamism is a threat to the very essence of democracy, and in a frankly unstable country like ours, there can be no room for errors begat of crass political maneuvering. I too will leave the Labour Party if we enter government with the NIP."

[Beta Test]

Say the coalition was formed without the NIP but with them supporting informally supporting the government with regards to confidence and supply. They wouldn't have a ministry or impact cabinet decision making. Would there to still be objection that kind of arrangement?

[Britanno 2]

Look, beta's our proposed minister of health and social policy, so again, you guys reaaaaaally don't need to worry. You also have an additional cabinet spot beyond that (out of 7) and the NIP has just one. Leaving the party won't do anything except assure that your ideas won't be represented? You honestly expect the libdems to be accommodating when they believe that healthcare and education as rights is literally Stalinism?

You don't seem to understand my point. I don't think the NIP's ideas will be implemented, but out of principle I cannot allow a party that wants to criminalise homosexuality also be a party of government.

[Malgrave]

I can has join?

[Davincia]

You realize that our platform literally says we support free and universal education up to the university level and a healthcare system that provides for healthcare necessities of those who can't afford insurance, right?

shrug

Davincias posts in the coffee shop suggest otherwise

Eyyyyy.
I don't represent the libdems. Not yet anyways... *maniacal laughter*

shrug

Davincias posts in the coffee shop suggest otherwise

His senator is supposed to represent the far-right fringe of our party. His bio even says "His relationship with the Liberal Democrats is a tenuous one." His senator thinks there's some sort of Marxist conspiracy to take over Elizia, so the anti-communist rhetoric and paranoia is kind of expected.

If I can't worship McCarthy then no one can!

[Maklohi Vai]

Look, beta's our proposed minister of health and social policy, so again, you guys reaaaaaally don't need to worry. You also have an additional cabinet spot beyond that (out of 7) and the NIP has just one. Leaving the party won't do anything except assure that your ideas won't be represented? You honestly expect the libdems to be accommodating when they believe that healthcare and education as rights is literally Stalinism?

You don't seem to understand my point. I don't think the NIP's ideas will be implemented, but out of principle I cannot allow a party that wants to criminalise homosexuality also be a party of government.

Hear, hear.

[Britanno 2]

I can has join?

Yay. I knew you wouldn't stay dead forever. We don't get rid of you that easy.

[Malgrave]

I can has join?

Yay. I knew you wouldn't stay dead forever. We don't get rid of you that easy.

I've cloned myself for a reason.

[Britanno 2]

viewtopic.php?f=25&t=382650&p=29253172#p29253172

Just urging all party members to vote for a republic in the referendum.

[Skappola]

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=382650&p=29253172#p29253172

Just urging all party members to vote for a republic in the referendum.

As a member of the PtH, I would hope that our labour party brethren vote monarchy. A monarch can serve a cultural and political unifier for our torn nation, as well as provide a strong front against foreign imperialism.

[Britanno 2]

As a member of the PtH, I would hope that our labour party brethren vote monarchy. A monarch can serve a cultural and political unifier for our torn nation, as well as provide a strong front against foreign imperialism.

Nothing like a leader not a single person elected to unite every single person in the country eh?

[Skappola]

As a member of the PtH, I would hope that our labour party brethren vote monarchy. A monarch can serve a cultural and political unifier for our torn nation, as well as provide a strong front against foreign imperialism.

Nothing like a leader not a single person elected to unite every single person in the country eh?

Monarchs have been extremely unifying specifically because they are more detached from mainstream politics. Thailand's monarch, for example, has been extremely effective as a unifying influence for his country. Elected presidents are often a figurehead for political disunity, by contrast.

[Argentarino]

Nothing like a leader not a single person elected to unite every single person in the country eh?

Monarchs have been extremely unifying specifically because they are more detached from mainstream politics. Thailand's monarch, for example, has been extremely effective as a unifying influence for his country. Elected presidents are often a figurehead for political disunity, by contrast.

I know it's not my place to comment in this thread, but your example is horse crap. Sure, you can say Thailand's monarch is a unifying influence...but his son is universally perceived to be an idiot and is hated by the Thai people. Meanwhile, as if to irritate them further, the Thais are bound by law to refrain from insulting the monarchy, so it only appears that the monarchy is a unifying influence.

[Eol Sha]

Hello there. I'm considering joining the Labour Party, but I do have one question. Is this party anti-communist?

[Mollary]

On the subject of coalition, the stated policies of the coalition as a whole concern me. All parties seem to hold varying degrees of skepticism to engaging with the rest of the world, and re-building our economy through a careful programme of integration with the world economy. Realistically, attempting to build our economy on temporary government borrowing will not work with our junk credit rating, like it or not, we need to encourage a degree of responsible investment from the global free market.

[Davincia]

Hello there. I'm considering joining the Labour Party, but I do have one question. Is this party anti-communist?

It should be.