[NSG Senate] Lobby-ing a Scimitar

[FreYhill]

I think if someone has a problem with the Mods, they should telegram them - not make a rant about it in the Lobby.

Now, Excuse me, I'm back to work as a Senator

[Geilinor]

It's not about transparency. It's about the admin team not making a ruling only to then list the parts of the ruling each of us agree with. We're a team and we make these decisions as a group. If you want us to explain why we made a decision, that's transparency. If you want us to explain who disagrees with what, that undermines the group decision.

That is absolutely ludicrous. Courts across the world make rulings that actually impact real lives with majority and dissenting positions being published and these do not undermine the courts ability to hand down that ruling. All presenting a united front does is undermine the entire team when a bad decision is handed down.

The NSGS admin team does not form a court and these decisions have no effect outside of the RP.

[Beta Test]

It's not about transparency. It's about the admin team not making a ruling only to then list the parts of the ruling each of us agree with. We're a team and we make these decisions as a group. If you want us to explain why we made a decision, that's transparency. If you want us to explain who disagrees with what, that undermines the group decision.

That is absolutely ludicrous. Courts across the world make rulings that actually impact real lives with majority and dissenting positions being published and these do not undermine the courts ability to hand down that ruling. All presenting a united front does is undermine the entire team when a bad decision is handed down.

I suggest familiarizing yourself with this concept

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabinet_c ... onsibility

While admins are of course not required to resign if they publicly disagree with a decision, in a small-knit and often highly personal environment such as this, requiring that each admin's positions be revealed would directly undermine their capacity to do their job. The admins are in no way like a court, in my experience we never held a formal vote and we always came to our decisions based on discussion and consensus.

[The Sarian]

For fucks sake if we're going to act like this I might as well just fucking quit now.

We're putting more effort into bullying NWO and the Admins then the actual fucking RP.

Grow the fuck up or the RP is done for if we get more caught up on the most petty bullshit possible and not the fucking RP.

Bullying NWO that's rich.

[The Nihilistic view]

I won't be taking any notice of said player. Everybody of a like mind take no notice either.

[Britanno 3]

Out of interest, would people prefer these kinds of resolutions were settled by a vote? (This goes to both their supporters and opponents. I just want to know what people would like the precedent to be)

[The New World Oceania]

Out of interest, would people prefer these kinds of resolutions were settled by a vote? (This goes to both their supporters and opponents. I just want to know what people would like the precedent to be)

There should be a certain quota of support a resolution needs before it can go to vote, which I doubt the ones in questions could reach.

[House of Judah]

Out of interest, would people prefer these kinds of resolutions were settled by a vote? (This goes to both their supporters and opponents. I just want to know what people would like the precedent to be)

That's how these have been handled as far back as Calaverde at the very least. I'm somewhat at a loss as to how else this matter could be settled.

As for individual opinions, fine, I'll drop that for now since you do (or at least claim you do) come to a consensus before posting these things (do note, however, that this does not track with statements made previously to me by past and current admins). I do however insist that the admin team be able to articulate their reasoning when they take such actions and at the very least be able to in a timely manner respond to challenges to their rulings with a reasoned argument if they are sustaining.

[DrWinner]

Hey, The Sarian, how is Jiang voting when her kidnapping is timestamped to occur yesterday, before voting was available?

[Tumbra]

Hey, The Sarian, how is Jiang voting when her kidnapping is timestamped to occur yesterday, before voting was available?

Timestamps aren't everything.

[DrWinner]

Hey, The Sarian, how is Jiang voting when her kidnapping is timestamped to occur yesterday, before voting was available?

Timestamps aren't everything.

Yes, but something like a kidnapping is not a multi-day affair. If it started yesterday, it would have ended yesterday, and thus Jiang wouldn't be in the Chamber to vote today. So while the timestamps aren't everything, causality insists that Jiang would not have been able to vote.

[House of Judah]

Timestamps aren't everything.

Yes, but something like a kidnapping is not a multi-day affair. If it started yesterday, it would have ended yesterday, and thus Jiang wouldn't be in the Chamber to vote today. So while the timestamps aren't everything, causality insists that Jiang would not have been able to vote.

That's not really how this RP works. The Chamber is sort of isolated from a great deal of the rest of the RP.

[DrWinner]

Yes, but something like a kidnapping is not a multi-day affair. If it started yesterday, it would have ended yesterday, and thus Jiang wouldn't be in the Chamber to vote today. So while the timestamps aren't everything, causality insists that Jiang would not have been able to vote.

That's not really how this RP works. The Chamber is sort of isolated from a great deal of the rest of the RP.

Now see, if I'd been told that, rather than just a blanket statement, I'd understand. Thank you.

[Britanno 3]

That's how these have been handled as far back as Calaverde at the very least. I'm somewhat at a loss as to how else this matter could be settled.

I was just seeing if people wanted to come to some sort of compromise consensus. I wasn't saying I favour that, I was just seeing what people wanted.

[Lykens]

I think we should have a minimum amount of required support so we don't get bogged down on frivolous bs by a small group of people trying to cause issues.

[Zudril]

Oh hey I remember this. Was forever ago, don't remember my nation but I didn't do much.

Is the country still dominated by center-left/leftist coalitions? I remember seeing that happen every time.

[Lykens]

Oh hey I remember this. Was forever ago, don't remember my nation but I didn't do much.

Is the country still dominated by center-left/leftist coalitions? I remember seeing that happen every time.

It's a new country.

It's a left coalition now, but they only won a confidence vote by two votes, and that's because some people on our side couldn't/forgot to vote.

Next time they fall .

You should rejoin and fight those dirty leftists .

[Zudril]

Oh hey I remember this. Was forever ago, don't remember my nation but I didn't do much.

Is the country still dominated by center-left/leftist coalitions? I remember seeing that happen every time.

It's a new country.

It's a left coalition now, but they only won a confidence vote by two votes, and that's because some people on our side couldn't/forgot to vote.

Next time they fall .

You should rejoin and fight those dirty leftists .

I'm a leftist irl but I always went rightist in the game because it was always a left-wing government in charge.

I have to wait a month to join iirc because I don't remember my old nation. But I will then.

[Lykens]

It's a new country.

It's a left coalition now, but they only won a confidence vote by two votes, and that's because some people on our side couldn't/forgot to vote.

Next time they fall .

You should rejoin and fight those dirty leftists .

I'm a leftist irl but I always went rightist in the game because it was always a left-wing government in charge.

I have to wait a month to join iirc because I don't remember my old nation. But I will then.

The opposition is currently Center based because it's center center left social liberals and center center right neoliberals, and it'll be fun to have another person.

I think we changed the waiting period to two weeks late last year, we'll keep your seat warm.

[Zudril]

I'm a leftist irl but I always went rightist in the game because it was always a left-wing government in charge.

I have to wait a month to join iirc because I don't remember my old nation. But I will then.

The opposition is currently Center based because it's center center left social liberals and center center right neoliberals, and it'll be fun to have another person.

I think we changed the waiting period to two weeks late last year, we'll keep your seat warm.

Aight I'll wait a few weeks then join.

[Arkolon]

The opposition is currently Center based because it's center center left social liberals and center center right neoliberals, and it'll be fun to have another person.

I think we changed the waiting period to two weeks late last year, we'll keep your seat warm.

Aight I'll wait a few weeks then join.

We're based in South East Asia, so the political spectrum is different to the Western one. The National Coalition (currently in government) contains the Elizia First Party (an essentially nationalist party), Path to Harmony (a Buddhist party), the Chinese Interests Party (a minority rights party) and the Labour party (a social democratic party). These parties are usually socially conservative, and are 'Left' by virtue of not being who the other guys are - the Opposition being the Liberal Coalition, headed by the Social Liberal Party (your average centrist party in Europe) and the Liberal Democrats (which started off as centre-right, but these days you only hear the libertarians).

I like to think of the political spectrum more as Pro-West vs Pro-East instead of Right v Left. The National Coalition is too conservative to be left-wing (in Western terms) and the Liberal Coalition too, well, liberal to be right-wing. So it's different to what NSGS used to be.

[FreYhill]

Aight I'll wait a few weeks then join.

We're based in South East Asia, so the political spectrum is different to the Western one. The National Coalition (currently in government) contains the Elizia First Party (an essentially nationalist party), Path to Harmony (a Buddhist party), the Chinese Interests Party (a minority rights party) and the Labour party (a social democratic party). These parties are usually socially conservative, and are 'Left' by virtue of not being who the other guys are - the Opposition being the Liberal Coalition, headed by the Social Liberal Party (your average centrist party in Europe) and the Liberal Democrats (which started off as centre-right, but these days you only hear the libertarians).

I like to think of the political spectrum more as Pro-West vs Pro-East instead of Right v Left. The National Coalition is too conservative to be left-wing (in Western terms) and the Liberal Coalition too, well, liberal to be right-wing. So it's different to what NSGS used to be.

Actually, most of the LibDem's that are vocal are Centre-right, with most of us being Liberal Conservatives.

[Nariterrr]

I'm thinking about drawing up a constitutional amendment to create the office of Auditor General, thoughts?

[Lykens]

Why does that need an amendment.

[Tumbra]

Opinion polls can be found at goo.gl/yx8SQ7

Constituency thread can be found at viewtopic.php?f=25&t=387333 <- CLICK HERE FOR FUN!

Opinion Research Survey Number Eight

This poll was conducted by measuring the number of Senators who voted in the last round of voting. Before any of you pedantics grab at my throat, this is the best way of doing things. There would be no way to measure opinion otherwise.

The question polled was this.

"If an election for the government of Elizia were to be held tomorrow, who would you vote for?"

The results were as such.

National Coalition - 42.3% (11/26)
Liberal Coalition - 42.3% (11/26)
Alternative - 7.7% (2/26)
Elizian Communist Party - 3.8% (1/26)
Independents & Others - 3.8% (1/26)

Turnout was down on last poll.