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Postby Tumbra » Sat Jun 25, 2016 5:01 am

I've claimed the northernmost island. Hope that doesn't make too many differences.
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Postby Not a Bang but a Whimper » Sat Jun 25, 2016 5:44 am

All parties should update their membership lists in their threads by Noon EST tomorrow, or else they will not receive their money for the Campaign Center.

Actually, I'll be counting members myself and calculating finances today. Regardless, parties should still regularly update their membership in the future for this sake.
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Postby Argentarino » Sat Jun 25, 2016 5:49 am

Hmmm, this new lobby looks eerily similar to the other ones we've had.
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Postby Kamchastkia » Sat Jun 25, 2016 6:23 am

AHOY

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Postby Skappola » Sat Jun 25, 2016 6:27 am

4 of the 9 senators are Christian so far. I blame colonialism.
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Postby Not a Bang but a Whimper » Sat Jun 25, 2016 10:40 am

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Postby Arkolon » Sat Jun 25, 2016 10:46 am

What are Elizia's main industries?
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Postby Britanno 2 » Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:33 pm

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Postby Not a Bang but a Whimper » Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:40 pm

Though the roleplay has not formally "started" in the legislative sense, I'd like to propose this as an effort toward a means to that start. Not sure if it needs sponsors, but I'll leave it to the Admins for when we'll vote on it.


Constitutional Convention Act

    Author: Not a Bang but a Whimper
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    An act providing for definitions, calling for a constitutional convention, laying out the procedures for the convention, and establishing criteria for the adoption of a constitution.

    Section 1: Definitions
   
Constitution - permanent legislation establishing a state and government of Elizia.
Convention - gathering of representatives to draft a constitution.

    Section 2: Constitutional Convention
   
A constitutional convention shall be convened at Kentang, with representatives chosen in the elections organized by the UN Special Rapporteur. The convention shall not be adjourned before ten days of deliberation.

    Section 3: Procedures of the Convention
   
The general principles of parliamentary procedure shall be adhered to at the Convention. Any proposal may be submitted to the assembly for drafting and critique. With two seconds, any proposal may be submitted to the assembly for a vote. Submissions for votes shall be made with special emphasis to the motion, such that it cannot be accidentally ignored. The agenda of the Convention shall be as follows.

    a) On the first day the Convention shall elect a President and agree to or amend this agenda, then draft and submit proposals for a preamble.
    b) On the second day the Convention shall draft and submit proposals for a Bill of a Rights.
    c) On the third day the Convention shall draft and submit proposals regarding the foundations of Elizia and structure of its government.
    d) On the fourth day the Convention shall draft and submit proposals regarding devolution, federalism, constituencies, and provinces.
    e) On the fifth day the Convention shall draft and submit proposals regarding the judiciary.
    f) On the sixth day the Convention shall draft and submit proposals regarding the legislature.
    g) On the seventh day the Convention shall draft and submit proposals regarding the executive.
    h) On the eighth day the Convention shall draft and submit proposals regarding elections.
    i) On the ninth day the Convention shall draft and submit proposals for all other concerns.
    j) On the tenth day the Convention shall vote on all submitted proposals and adjourn.

    Section 4: Adoption of Articles
   
No article shall be adopted to the Constitution without three fifths the support of the Convention. The Constitution shall be enacted when the legislature approves it, and if they do not approve it then the Convention shall convene again.
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The very fact that you would have doubts about whether to join a forum full of goddless commie islamofascist homosexual welfare-recipients instead of a forum built to celebrate the Greatest Christian country in all of history deeply concerns me.
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Postby Zurkerx » Sat Jun 25, 2016 8:40 pm

Voting for the next two admins has begun. Please go and vote.

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Damn, has it really been 10 years since I played that?
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Postby Stormaen » Sun Jun 26, 2016 2:42 am

Do we have the character thread yet, btw?
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Postby Maklohi Vai » Sun Jun 26, 2016 3:35 am

Stormaen wrote:Do we have the character thread yet, btw?

Database is up: viewtopic.php?f=25&t=381910
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Postby Dejanic » Sun Jun 26, 2016 6:10 am

The Liberated Territories wrote:
Arkolon wrote:The best scimitars are available past Al Kharid gate, if you can afford the 10g toll.


Damn, has it really been 10 years since I played that?

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Postby Arkolon » Sun Jun 26, 2016 6:14 am

Dejanic wrote:
The Liberated Territories wrote:
Damn, has it really been 10 years since I played that?

I got a dragon skimmy from ape atoll m8.

Full Saradomin looked a lot cooler.
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Postby Stormaen » Sun Jun 26, 2016 8:46 am

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Stormaen wrote:Do we have the character thread yet, btw?

Database is up: viewtopic.php?f=25&t=381910

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Postby Froiiland » Sun Jun 26, 2016 2:08 pm

You remember the thing with the French flag over your avatar? We should put the European union flag over our avatars for remembrance.

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Postby Collatis » Sun Jun 26, 2016 2:32 pm

Froiiland wrote:You remember the thing with the French flag over your avatar? We should put the European union flag over our avatars for remembrance.

You can do so here.

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Postby Arkolon » Sun Jun 26, 2016 2:51 pm

So, about those smaller cabinets. What if we set up some kind of arbitrary distinction so the Head of Government has to appoint three or four Secretaries of State (probably Home, Foreign, Finance, something else optionally), and these Secretaries can appoint Undersecretaries (or Ministers) at their discretion and under their authority. So the Home Secretary could assign a Minister of Education (if it fits into their portfolio) to draw up education plans, but the position is only open when necessary and at the discretion of the Secretary, not the Head of Government.
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Postby MERIZoC » Sun Jun 26, 2016 3:54 pm

Arkolon wrote:So, about those smaller cabinets. What if we set up some kind of arbitrary distinction so the Head of Government has to appoint three or four Secretaries of State (probably Home, Foreign, Finance, something else optionally), and these Secretaries can appoint Undersecretaries (or Ministers) at their discretion and under their authority. So the Home Secretary could assign a Minister of Education (if it fits into their portfolio) to draw up education plans, but the position is only open when necessary and at the discretion of the Secretary, not the Head of Government.

Nah, it's more fun when the PM gets to appoint everyone. Like I said in the past, I don't think we should mandate smaller cabinets. If theres enough support for them people will go along with it.
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Postby Arkolon » Sun Jun 26, 2016 4:01 pm

Merizoc wrote:
Arkolon wrote:So, about those smaller cabinets. What if we set up some kind of arbitrary distinction so the Head of Government has to appoint three or four Secretaries of State (probably Home, Foreign, Finance, something else optionally), and these Secretaries can appoint Undersecretaries (or Ministers) at their discretion and under their authority. So the Home Secretary could assign a Minister of Education (if it fits into their portfolio) to draw up education plans, but the position is only open when necessary and at the discretion of the Secretary, not the Head of Government.

Nah, it's more fun when the PM gets to appoint everyone. Like I said in the past, I don't think we should mandate smaller cabinets. If theres enough support for them people will go along with it.

But that's the problem: there will always be support for sprawling cabinets because people will always take the opportunity to have a government position. It makes the cabinet feel less special and makes it feel as if everyone in one side is in government and the cabinet versus another side that is not. It doesn't stratify or differentiate heavily between government and cabinet: having secretaries and then ministers would stratify it so that being picked actually feels special and important. It could be less popular, but that's almost the point.
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Postby Froiiland » Sun Jun 26, 2016 5:27 pm

Shadow Cabinet members are always a turn.

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Postby Oneracon » Sun Jun 26, 2016 6:41 pm

Arkolon wrote:
Merizoc wrote:Nah, it's more fun when the PM gets to appoint everyone. Like I said in the past, I don't think we should mandate smaller cabinets. If theres enough support for them people will go along with it.

But that's the problem: there will always be support for sprawling cabinets because people will always take the opportunity to have a government position. It makes the cabinet feel less special and makes it feel as if everyone in one side is in government and the cabinet versus another side that is not. It doesn't stratify or differentiate heavily between government and cabinet: having secretaries and then ministers would stratify it so that being picked actually feels special and important. It could be less popular, but that's almost the point.

I personally feel we should set some mandatory Cabinet positions like you say, and leave further positions to be established by the legislature through passing relevant laws (i.e. a "Ministry of Education Act").
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Postby Not a Bang but a Whimper » Sun Jun 26, 2016 6:50 pm

Oneracon wrote:
Arkolon wrote:But that's the problem: there will always be support for sprawling cabinets because people will always take the opportunity to have a government position. It makes the cabinet feel less special and makes it feel as if everyone in one side is in government and the cabinet versus another side that is not. It doesn't stratify or differentiate heavily between government and cabinet: having secretaries and then ministers would stratify it so that being picked actually feels special and important. It could be less popular, but that's almost the point.

I personally feel we should set some mandatory Cabinet positions like you say, and leave further positions to be established by the legislature through passing relevant laws (i.e. a "Ministry of Education Act").

Perhaps a clause in the constitution that reads no cabinet seats may exist but those provided for by law, except in the case of emergency seats, which may exist for two weeks.
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Postby Beta Test » Sun Jun 26, 2016 10:43 pm

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