[NSG Senate] Lobby-ing a Scimitar

[The New World Oceania]

Idea: Nonpartisan legislature 99.999999% homosexual country.

Ye/Ye+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++?

Illegal.

[Lykens]

Idea: Nonpartisan legislature 99.999999% homosexual country.

Ye/Ye+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++?

Illegal.

Idea:

Gay Nebraska

[The Sarian]

Illegal.

Idea:

Gay Nebraska

Surely that's just Wyoming?

[Tectonix]

Idea: Nonpartisan legislature 99.999999% homosexual country.

Ye/Ye+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++?

Illegal.

Fun legal case, that'd be.

[Arkolon]

How about instead of having a single political power structure (which has hitherto been Senator - Minister - Prime Minister) we have multiple power structures, either all political or all of different types. For example, we could have multiple political power structures where, for instance, a local assembly elects a local governor which represents the local area at a national level (in what we have called until now the Senate). Alternatively, we could have multiple power structures of different types where, for instance, the political power structure competes with a military power structure, or an economic power structure, or a judicial power structure, or even an ecclesiastical power structure. This way the game doesn't just become a matter of "who can recruit the most amount of new players as fast and as reliably as possible" that eventually ends in coalition-omania but a more strategic balancing act that tries to compromise the will of the political structure with the wills of the competing power structures.

[Zurkerx]

How about instead of having a single political power structure (which has hitherto been Senator - Minister - Prime Minister) we have multiple power structures, either all political or all of different types. For example, we could have multiple political power structures where, for instance, a local assembly elects a local governor which represents the local area at a national level (in what we have called until now the Senate). Alternatively, we could have multiple power structures of different types where, for instance, the political power structure competes with a military power structure, or an economic power structure, or a judicial power structure, or even an ecclesiastical power structure. This way the game doesn't just become a matter of "who can recruit the most amount of new players as fast and as reliably as possible" that eventually ends in coalition-omania but a more strategic balancing act that tries to compromise the will of the political structure with the wills of the competing power structures.

This seems rather interesting. It can't hurt to try it.

[Eredion]

How about instead of having a single political power structure (which has hitherto been Senator - Minister - Prime Minister) we have multiple power structures, either all political or all of different types. For example, we could have multiple political power structures where, for instance, a local assembly elects a local governor which represents the local area at a national level (in what we have called until now the Senate). Alternatively, we could have multiple power structures of different types where, for instance, the political power structure competes with a military power structure, or an economic power structure, or a judicial power structure, or even an ecclesiastical power structure. This way the game doesn't just become a matter of "who can recruit the most amount of new players as fast and as reliably as possible" that eventually ends in coalition-omania but a more strategic balancing act that tries to compromise the will of the political structure with the wills of the competing power structures.

Support.

[Greater Istanistan]

How about instead of having a single political power structure (which has hitherto been Senator - Minister - Prime Minister) we have multiple power structures, either all political or all of different types. For example, we could have multiple political power structures where, for instance, a local assembly elects a local governor which represents the local area at a national level (in what we have called until now the Senate). Alternatively, we could have multiple power structures of different types where, for instance, the political power structure competes with a military power structure, or an economic power structure, or a judicial power structure, or even an ecclesiastical power structure. This way the game doesn't just become a matter of "who can recruit the most amount of new players as fast and as reliably as possible" that eventually ends in coalition-omania but a more strategic balancing act that tries to compromise the will of the political structure with the wills of the competing power structures.

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[The New World Oceania]

How about instead of having a single political power structure (which has hitherto been Senator - Minister - Prime Minister) we have multiple power structures, either all political or all of different types. For example, we could have multiple political power structures where, for instance, a local assembly elects a local governor which represents the local area at a national level (in what we have called until now the Senate). Alternatively, we could have multiple power structures of different types where, for instance, the political power structure competes with a military power structure, or an economic power structure, or a judicial power structure, or even an ecclesiastical power structure. This way the game doesn't just become a matter of "who can recruit the most amount of new players as fast and as reliably as possible" that eventually ends in coalition-omania but a more strategic balancing act that tries to compromise the will of the political structure with the wills of the competing power structures.

We've discussed this a little on IRC. I think one place to look to is Reddit's Model US Government. They have various levels of government that I think we could try in the Senate as well.

At the same time, I think we should bring up the question on scorinators and campaign bonuses again. At a time when encouraging roleplay is going to make or break the Senate — you can see how successful it made Calaverde, Aurentina, and the Baltonian coup — it could be helpful for the end goal of making the incarnation last.

[Costa Fierro]

How about instead of having a single political power structure (which has hitherto been Senator - Minister - Prime Minister) we have multiple power structures, either all political or all of different types. For example, we could have multiple political power structures where, for instance, a local assembly elects a local governor which represents the local area at a national level (in what we have called until now the Senate). Alternatively, we could have multiple power structures of different types where, for instance, the political power structure competes with a military power structure, or an economic power structure, or a judicial power structure, or even an ecclesiastical power structure. This way the game doesn't just become a matter of "who can recruit the most amount of new players as fast and as reliably as possible" that eventually ends in coalition-omania but a more strategic balancing act that tries to compromise the will of the political structure with the wills of the competing power structures.

Sounds like a recipe for disaster.

[Arkolon]

To expand on the multiple power structures, we could codify into the game the presence of 1 nation but multiple subordinate regions. Players choose which region to be a part of and are all members of the region's assembly. In the region's assembly players would draft regional law and RP regional events, as well as elect a Senator. The Senator would simultaneously act as the region's Governor as well as the region's representative in the Senate. In the Senate, which is composed of the Senators of all the regions (all appointed by regional assembly members), Senators draft federal law that is applied on a national level. Add onto this the existence of an executive who is elected by the entirety of the player base, and we have a recipe for an interesting iteration with more than one political power structure.

[The New World Oceania]

Since it would make sense to at least start planning the planning, here are all the resolutions that were proposed since the last vote:

Sponsor: Tumbra

Resolved:

The proposal for any NSG incarnation shall be placed in a prominent place on any thread authored by the nation "NSG Senate Administrators".

If there is no proposal, then a history shall be placed prominently there instead.

All important documents vital to the RP shall also be placed in prominent positions.

Sponsor: Lykens

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Resolved: The next iteration of NSS shall begin to be constructed by resolution process on January 5, 2017

Author: NWO

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Resolved: Committees shall help to facilitate the blank slate process.

And the additional ones Ark and I have suggested on this page or discussed elsewhere. Ark can revise and submit his own if he wants.

Author: Ark

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Resolved: We will have multiple political power structures in the next incarnation.

Author: NWO

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Resolved: The admins will compose or appoint a group to research and modify legislative election results based on IC campaigns, major legislation, actions during events, successes and failures, press, performance in PMQs and debates, breaking and keeping promises, and other categories. The group will be confirmed if appointed and will make all of their processes and decisions transparent.

[House of Judah]

Resolved:
No person who is known to have engaged in doxxing, whether on the Nation States website or not, shall be permitted to participate in the Nation States Senate in any fashion unless allowed by a two thirds majority vote to permit his or her participation.

[Lykens]

Whatever views you hold about eh you can do so without baiting. Enough.

WOAH AN ADMIN SAID THIS ONCE LET'S DISREGARD IT FOREVER

[NSG Senate Administrators]

Author: NWO
Sponsors: Tectonix

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Resolved: Committees shall help to facilitate the blank slate process.

The admin team has discussed the issue, and the general consensus is that we would rather do this Resolution-style, without committees, as we believes that needlessly complicates the process. However, this is something the RP as a whole should decide on. We will now have a 48 hour vote on this proposal. However, if it fails, we will be using resolutions to create the country, with aspects voted on one at a time by the entire RP.

Essentially, vote Aye for committees, Nay for traditional resolution-style. You have 48 hours.

-Merizoc

[The New World Oceania]

Aye

Committees would still use resolutions, voted on one at a time by the entire RP. The only difference is that they would be drafted with public input.

[Partido Liberal Constitucional]

Nay

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I'd like to say I like the "multiple power structure" idea, but it has some problems. First of all everyone will probably ignore regional policy. More importantly I doubt we'd have enough nations to really compete within regions while maintaining a reasonable (not too low) number of governors/regions. It probably would dissolve into either: one person in one region, or factions stuffing themselves into one region to while ignoring others, depending on how many regions there are.

I propose that instead of regions we have large districts with multiple senators, and nations within those districts act as electors. We'd have these electors vote and a senator would be awarded to a faction for every x% of the vote, ie: something like proportional representation. This would cease the practice of "who can recruit the most amount of new players as fast and as reliably as possible" (at least when electors aren't voting), and fix the number of senators. Also it would make more sense since most of the time we play as small unitary states rather than federalist ones.

[Arkolon]

I'd like to say I like the "multiple power structure" idea, but it has some problems. First of all everyone will probably ignore regional policy. More importantly I doubt we'd have enough nations to really compete within regions while maintaining a reasonable (not too low) number of governors/regions. It probably would dissolve into either: one person in one region, or factions stuffing themselves into one region to while ignoring others, depending on how many regions there are.

In my mind, we fix the number of regions to 5, and there is no limit on the number of people in a region - but each region can only elect a single Senator. So a party might stuff all of its members in a single region, but it'll only award them 20% of the votes in the national Senate. Whereas before NSGS was just a matter of collecting raw votes and spamming them when there were elections, this would make NSGS require more strategic thinking as parties would need to coordinate themselves to maximise their power, not just recruit as many "sleeper voters" from the website and ordering them to vote. I imagine the number of people per region would balance out: if there are 9 people in one region and a single person in the other, there's every incentive to send people from the first region to the other region.

I reckon we do have the member base for this. With 5 regions, even at the lowest point of activity in Calaverde and Elizia that would mean around 6 active members per region. That's more than enough, then, especially if activity picks up.

[The New World Oceania]

I'd like to say I like the "multiple power structure" idea, but it has some problems. First of all everyone will probably ignore regional policy. More importantly I doubt we'd have enough nations to really compete within regions while maintaining a reasonable (not too low) number of governors/regions. It probably would dissolve into either: one person in one region, or factions stuffing themselves into one region to while ignoring others, depending on how many regions there are.

In my mind, we fix the number of regions to 5, and there is no limit on the number of people in a region - but each region can only elect a single Senator. So a party might stuff all of its members in a single region, but it'll only award them 20% of the votes in the national Senate. Whereas before NSGS was just a matter of collecting raw votes and spamming them when there were elections, this would make NSGS require more strategic thinking as parties would need to coordinate themselves to maximise their power, not just recruit as many "sleeper voters" from the website and ordering them to vote. I imagine the number of people per region would balance out: if there are 9 people in one region and a single person in the other, there's every incentive to send people from the first region to the other region.

I reckon we do have the member base for this. With 5 regions, even at the lowest point of activity in Calaverde and Elizia that would mean around 6 active members per region. That's more than enough, then, especially if activity picks up.

We'd also be smart to put more power in the hands of the regions when it comes time to drafting the constitution, to address Werp's observation that otherwise people wouldn't care about regional politics.

[Collatis]

Nay

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I move to return to the name "NSG Senate". Except this time, NSG doesn't stand for anything in particular, just as an identifier since that's what we're known by.

This resolution is also waiting on a vote.

[USS Monitor]

Could someone please tell us 3rd parties what in hell is going on?

Kam is a known trollish member of the community who wears on all of our nerves at various points. In particular at the time in question, he was harassing a now disgraced and until recently absent former member of this community, refusing to refer to her by her chosen pronoun (a dick move to be sure).

In response, rather than waiting for one of the channel ops to step in and stop him, she proceeded to dox not just him but also his nephew, who has absolutely no part in this community. Doxxing in and of itself is bad enough, but for her to further go after a child whose relationship to the incident is limited to being a blood relative of one of the people involved is completely unacceptable. NWO no longer has any place here.

If NWO does anything like this on NS report it. Otherwise, stop throwing around these accusations. You can put her on ignore if you like. You can refuse to respond to her posts if you like. But repeatedly posting to tell others about it is ignore-gloating and your efforts to ruin her reputation or exclude her from the community are harassment.

As such, you are *** Warned for ignore-gloating and harassment ***

[Eredion]

Nay

I also am in support of the different political structure this time, although I have not yet made my mind up on which proposal to follow.

The most fun part of Elizia for me was to maneuver myself around both in my party and in the Senate and then see the results in the news, so I´d like it if news both neutral and party sponsored ones would became more of a thing, especially if we are going to have different Regions or Districts so that people know what each Region is up to without checking in their assembly every 5 minutes.

[Great Nepal]

Nay

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The regions suggestion seems really interesting, although I've to say this probably complicates the senate far too much even when you just have five regions since effectively you have six separate RPs, with their own threads going on; plus in the main RP there'd just be five individuals from each of the regions (if I understood the description properly) which doesn't really leave much room for activity surges. I'd far more favor the elector suggestion - that way we still have the singular RP thus avoiding fragmentation while rewarding parties who are actually involved in RP rather than just as contact list for zombie senators and enabling strategic politics.

[The New World Oceania]

I withdraw my resolution so that we can move on to discussing the nation itself.

In turn, I move that we take resolutions for regions now.

[Partido Liberal Constitucional]

The regions suggestion seems really interesting, although I've to say this probably complicates the senate far too much even when you just have five regions since effectively you have six separate RPs, with their own threads going on; plus in the main RP there'd just be five individuals from each of the regions (if I understood the description properly) which doesn't really leave much room for activity surges. I'd far more favor the elector suggestion - that way we still have the singular RP thus avoiding fragmentation while rewarding parties who are actually involved in RP rather than just as contact list for zombie senators and enabling strategic politics.

This is true. Given how inactive the senate can be, I can't imagine how organizing five different assemblies could go well.