[NSG Senate] Lobby-ing a Scimitar

[Great Nepal]

Hmm I'm not really sure if that is necessary - there have been examples of several iterations that started out with completely fleshed out history, demographics and other data which haven't lasted as long as some iterations that started rather barebones. I don't think the ultimate longevity of the RP has a lot to do with things like history or culture of the nation - because those aspects while interesting are inevitably going to be ignored; only time that was really used was for preamble to constitution. Given this I'd say we can go with traditional people submitting various proposals for those stuff and voting/ admin decision.

[The New World Oceania]

Hmm I'm not really sure if that is necessary - there have been examples of several iterations that started out with completely fleshed out history, demographics and other data which haven't lasted as long as some iterations that started rather barebones. I don't think the ultimate longevity of the RP has a lot to do with things like history or culture of the nation - because those aspects while interesting are inevitably going to be ignored; only time that was really used was for preamble to constitution. Given this I'd say we can go with traditional people submitting various proposals for those stuff and voting/ admin decision.

Not really sure where people are getting the idea we ever used a real blank slate anywhere other than Aurentina, which wasn't even expected to become a real roleplay. Inevitably, whether you like it or not, people are already getting ready to monopolize the resolution process we used with Calaverde by preparing comprehensive proposals like they did for Dagmar and Elizia.

The fundamental problem with the resolution process is that it puts the option-making process is the hands of individuals. No option is created collaboratively, creating an adversarial decision-making process that consistently leaves a complacent majority following the decisive wants of one individual and a bitter minority that had no say in the outcome of the decision.

I contend that Calaverde worked because of the resolution process. We had 131 party-declared members a few days after Calaverde. Calaverde could have very easily failed in spite of the process of its development. Therefore this system isn't a proposal predicated on the grounds of what development process will create an effective setting, because anything from Aurentine-style blank slate to unilateral admin decision could incidentally choose a good setting. Rather, the committee process is something I hope will include as many people as possible in the development of the setting and will leave as few people as possible powerless over that development.

[MERIZoC]

A reminder:
"Resolved: The next iteration of the Senate shall be created by membership through resolutions and open debate through the lobby, not detailed proposals until further into the process."—Passed

[The Sarian]

Resolved:

i) highly bureaucratic structures are banned;
ii) to help achieve this, all people who use the term "Committee of the Whole" from here on in are instantly banned from the senate.

[The New World Oceania]

A reminder:
"Resolved: The next iteration of the Senate shall be created by membership through resolutions and open debate through the lobby, not detailed proposals until further into the process."—Passed

Sure, and I don't see anywhere in that resolution that says how these resolutions are supposed to be written. Or is "by a few very active people monopolizing the process" implied?

Resolved:

i) highly bureaucratic structures are banned;
ii) to help achieve this, all people who use the term "Committee of the Whole" from here on in are instantly banned from the senate.

When your anti-change worldview is so dogmatic that even new words scare you.

[Arachaea]

I'm not really sure that NWO's proposal is the best idea; in my mind it makes the process needlessly complex to the possible detriment of the roleplay: treating all of those topics as seperated issues isn't the best idea as it ignores the fact that most of those topics would be somewhat intertwined and affect one another.

[The Sarian]

A reminder:
"Resolved: The next iteration of the Senate shall be created by membership through resolutions and open debate through the lobby, not detailed proposals until further into the process."—Passed

Sure, and I don't see anywhere in that resolution that says how these resolutions are supposed to be written. Or is "by a few very active people monopolizing the process" implied?

Resolved:

i) highly bureaucratic structures are banned;
ii) to help achieve this, all people who use the term "Committee of the Whole" from here on in are instantly banned from the senate.

When your anti-change worldview is so dogmatic that even new words scare you.

Since when did I have an anti-change worldview? You need to work on you insults lady, just throwing a words doesn't really work when they don't have at least a basis in fact...

[Ainin]

I don't think that elaborate planning committees will do the RP any favours.

It rather seems like it would join a long list of various senate committees, both IC and OOC, that have by far and large failed to deliver on their promises, from the Senate Bombing Inquiry and Council of State in Aurentina to the mess that was Dagmar.

[The New World Oceania]

Sure, and I don't see anywhere in that resolution that says how these resolutions are supposed to be written. Or is "by a few very active people monopolizing the process" implied?


When your anti-change worldview is so dogmatic that even new words scare you.

Since when did I have an anti-change worldview? You need to work on you insults lady, just throwing a words doesn't really work when they don't have at least a basis in fact...

Looking hard as I can't but I don't see you coming out of the woodwork with any new ideas.

If you guys want to do the same failed method again and again, I can't stop you. But every single incarnation, I always say "this isn't working," and, sure enough, it doesn't start magically working.

[Costa Fierro]

The solution, if there is one, isn't making things needlessly complicated.

[The New World Oceania]

The solution, if there is one, isn't making things needlessly complicated.

I've made it pretty clear it's not needless, and so far all your gang has been able to do is tout stupid simplicity as a lofty ideal with no backing.

[MERIZoC]

Guys, the nation creation process of all things doesn't need to be toxic. Let's try to role back the insults on all sides, please.

[FreYhill]

[Costa Fierro]

The solution, if there is one, isn't making things needlessly complicated.

I've made it pretty clear it's not needless, and so far all your gang has been able to do is tout stupid simplicity as a lofty ideal with no backing.

I'm going by what popular opinion is. And popular opinion is that your idea isn't worth trying.

[The Sarian]

Oooh im in a gang now. I hope we have jackets.

[FreYhill]

Oooh im in a gang now. I hope we have jackets.

IM ON THE WESTSIDE

/me does gang sign

[House of Judah]

Oooh im in a gang now. I hope we have jackets.

IM ON THE WESTSIDE

/me does gang sign

Jew Side is Best Side

[Costa Fierro]

Oooh im in a gang now. I hope we have jackets.

BTW, do you have a sewing kit? Imma need to sow these patches on.

[The New World Oceania]

I've made it pretty clear it's not needless, and so far all your gang has been able to do is tout stupid simplicity as a lofty ideal with no backing.

I'm going by what popular opinion is. And popular opinion is that your idea isn't worth trying.

Popular opinion is apparently the knee jerks of a couple people who post in the lobby a lot.

[The Sarian]

ooooh we're part of the loud, noisy majority. #MakeNationstatesSenateGreatAgain

[MERIZoC]

Did I not make myself clear? Eh, if you want to defend your proposal, don't get mad when people disagree. Sarian, the snark is unhelpful and unproductive.

[The New World Oceania]

I'm formally submitting it as a resolution.

Author: NWO
Sponsors: Tectonix

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Resolved: Committees shall help to facilitate the blank slate process.

[Tectonix]

I'm formally submitting it as a resolution.

Author: NWO
Sponsors:

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Resolved: Committees shall help to facilitate the blank slate process.

Seconded ; Co-Sponsored ; Sponsored. Whatever works.

[Lykens]

Idea: Nonpartisan legislature 99.999999% homosexual country.

Ye/Ye+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++?

[Costa Fierro]

Idea: Nonpartisan legislature 99.999999% homosexual country.

Ye/Ye+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++?

HomoFascistJewReich?

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They all look so damn delicious.