[NSG Senate] Lobby-ing a Scimitar

[Collatis]

When are we starting the Senate again?

We're going to start planning in January.

[MERIZoC]

Yeah, guys, if you could not spam the lobby, that'd be great.

Funny how you insert yourself now to try and cultivate authority and superiority yet when we were discussing this on IRC you were oddly silent???

It's almost like I have a life and don't spend literally all my time of Christmas day on the IRC.

[The Sarian]

Funny how you insert yourself now to try and cultivate authority and superiority yet when we were discussing this on IRC you were oddly silent???

It's almost like I have a life and don't spend literally all my time of Christmas day on the IRC.

But you were there. I believe you were talking about politics and I told you to lighten up and enjoy Christmas...

Here is me a Lykens deciding to have a fake fight
Here is you interacting on the IRC, three minutes later
Here was you is very obviously actively interacting on the IRC whilst the spamming you find so detestable is going on (but MV asked me to remove)
And here is you making light of the things said in mine and Lykens's senseless spamming attack, which you weren't on the IRC for.

[Maklohi Vai]

It's almost like I have a life and don't spend literally all my time of Christmas day on the IRC.

But you were there. I believe you were talking about politics and I told you to lighten up and enjoy Christmas...

Here is me a Lykens deciding to have a fake fight
Here is you interacting on the IRC, three minutes later
[url=removed]Here is you is very obviously actively interacting on the IRC whilst the spamming you find so detestable is going on[/url]
And here is you making light of the things said in mine and Lykens's senseless spamming attack, which you weren't on the IRC for.

Without looking at those links, spamming the IRC and spamming the Lobby are very different things, the former with more leeway than the latter.

EDIT: Looked at the links. Please remove the one that has people's names in it.
EDIT 2: I've removed the link from the quote as well now.

[Malgrave]

When are we starting the Senate again?

We're going to start planning in January.

so we should be ready by 2018?

[Roosevetania]

I think we should do the western- or central-European EU-member state country, similar to the UK, France, or Germany. It would be dealing with EU issues, immigration, rising right-wing movements, etc. It would allow for progressivism and liberalism, arguing in favor of the EU and immigration, etc. It would also allow for right-wing parties, arguing against the EU and immigration, for nationalism, etc.

[Costa Fierro]

One word: Aurentina.

[Roosevetania]

One word: Aurentina.

I'm sorry, I only came during Elizia, so I don't know much about the past of NSGS [waits for Lykens]. Are you saying that my idea is like the previous incarnation Aurentina?

[Lykens]

One word: Aurentina.

I'm sorry, I only came during Elizia, so I don't know much about the past of NSGS [waits for Lykens]. Are you saying that my idea is like the previous incarnation Aurentina?

Wat

[Roosevetania]

I'm sorry, I only came during Elizia, so I don't know much about the past of NSGS [waits for Lykens]. Are you saying that my idea is like the previous incarnation Aurentina?

Wat

NSGS

[Lykens]

Wat

NSGS

How rude.

[The Sarian]

OKG FLAMING

[Partido Liberal Constitucional]

Four Reasons for a Black Sea Setting (not any specific proposal but in favor of any setting within the Black Sea)

• Set in a truly new area. The senate has been in Central America, the Baltics, Southeast Asia, and the Mediterranean. The Black Sea has never been done before.
• Ethnic Minority/Majority Possibilities. The Black Sea is home to multiple ethnic groups. This of course means we have the ability to do multiple different scenarios if we were to choose a setting within the Black Sea. In other words: it gives us lots of choices. I also think the choice of a Slav majority nation (in the Black Sea) is something that we haven't done and should do.
• Orthodox Left-Right Politics, plus other stuff. In the Black Sea having ordinary left-right politics is not uncommon (3.5/6 countries on the Black Sea have it), but it leaves us with other possibilities as well. For example: Ukrainian-style politics, Russian-style politics, and even Turkish Islamist politics (more like Iran than modern Turkey as a whole) are all possible in the setting of the Black Sea. Also upset minorities are present everywhere in that area, so it's very plausible to have some politics concentrated around those.
• Geopolitics. Like the Caspian Sea, the Baltic Sea, is also very geopolitically interesting. There are conflicting Turkish and Russian naval presences in the Black Sea, as well as several proposed gas pipelines running through the middle. These are all opportunities for further rp scenarios. Not replacements for senate activity of course, but useful side activities.

[Zurkerx]

Four Reasons for a Black Sea Setting (not any specific proposal but in favor of any setting within the Black Sea)

• Set in a truly new area. The senate has been in Central America, the Baltics, Southeast Asia, and the Mediterranean. The Black Sea has never been done before.
• Ethnic Minority/Majority Possibilities. The Black Sea is home to multiple ethnic groups. This of course means we have the ability to do multiple different scenarios if we were to choose a setting within the Black Sea. In other words: it gives us lots of choices. I also think the choice of a Slav majority nation (in the Black Sea) is something that we haven't done and should do.
• Orthodox Left-Right Politics, plus other stuff. In the Black Sea having ordinary left-right politics is not uncommon (3.5/6 countries on the Black Sea have it), but it leaves us with other possibilities as well. For example: Ukrainian-style politics, Russian-style politics, and even Turkish Islamist politics (more like Iran than modern Turkey as a whole) are all possible in the setting of the Black Sea. Also upset minorities are present everywhere in that area, so it's very plausible to have some politics concentrated around those.
• Geopolitics. Like the Caspian Sea, the Baltic Sea, is also very geopolitically interesting. There are conflicting Turkish and Russian naval presences in the Black Sea, as well as several proposed gas pipelines running through the middle. These are all opportunities for further rp scenarios. Not replacements for senate activity of course, but useful side activities.

Working on a proposal right now actually for that. I plan on borrowing what Arg. and I made and modifying it from there.

[The New World Oceania]

Working on a proposal right now actually for that. I plan on borrowing what Arg. and I made and modifying it from there.

I know the general response to this will be that it's too bureaucratic, but I believe that formal procedure actually works (or it wouldn't be used for real, high-stakes decision making), and I think this would be an effective method for forming the next incarnation:

Instead of the conventional process of a few people making proposals and everyone else gathering behind them, we adopt a committee-based structure that allows people passionate in certain areas to formulate proposals and for those areas. The committees would be:

• Committee of the Whole
  Everyone who has ever been a member of the roleplay is a member of this committee, and it is the penultimate (see immediately below) stage of every resolution. Nothing is carried out by the Admins unless the Committee of the Whole passes it. This committee could also pass resolutions specifically designating tasks to committees, or send resolutions back to committees with recommendations.
• Executive Review Board
  This committee, the final stage for resolutions, would formulate reports on how the Admins are to execute resolutions. Some resolutions (like the location) would obviously not require anything, but anything sufficiently broad would merit directive on its execution. This committee would also review every resolution passed by the Committee of the Whole and could return them, once, with recommendations. This committee would have a fixed-number of members and be elected (without debate). ERB reports would be collectively voted on by the Committee of the Whole at the end of the process.
• Committee on the Continent or Ocean
  This committee would submit to the Committee of the Whole a report on which continent or ocean the next incarnation should be set in. Its membership would be exclusive from the Committee on the Region.
• Committee on the Region
  After the Committee of the Whole passes a resolution on continent or ocean, this committee would submit a resolution on the specific region. Its membership would be exclusive from the Committee on the Continent or Ocean. The ERB would specify coordinates.
• Committee on the Map
  This committee would submit a series of resolutions on the features of the map. The ERB would draft the image of the map.
• Committee on History and Demographics
  This committee would submit resolutions on the history and demographics of the nation. It should designate subcommittees for specific topics in the history.
• Committee on Economics
  This committee would submit resolutions on the economic information of the nation.
• Committee on IRC Rules
  This committee would submit resolutions on the much needed reform of the IRC.
• Committee on the Name
  This committee would submit a name proposal.

Each resolution would designate a manager to draft any reports and ensure the resolution reaches its next stage. Each committee's membership would be open to any member wishing to be a part of them, with the exclusivity provisions noted for the two location committees. I think this process would cause significantly more satisfaction with the final result and provide for a more lasting incarnation.

[Costa Fierro]

That seems a bit excessive. And a complete waste of time.

[The New World Oceania]

That seems a bit excessive. And a complete waste of time.

Aye mate so was Elizia but we didn't hear a peep from you

[Lykens]

I like this idea in principle, but I feel like it'll return to the rigidity of the past iterations, whereas with Calaverde and the purely open resolution process left a lot of flexibility and leeway between things.

What'll stop this idea from turning the separate propositions into a 'proposal' like before as opposed to a hodge podge like Calaverde?

[The New World Oceania]

I like this idea in principle, but I feel like it'll return to the rigidity of the past iterations, whereas with Calaverde and the purely open resolution process left a lot of flexibility and leeway between things.

What'll stop this idea from turning the separate propositions into a 'proposal' like before as opposed to a hodge podge like Calaverde?

My hope is that it could decentralize the process, stopping any one person or group from monopolizing the process. That's really why I included the complexities like the ERB and the multi-step committee process: to ensure we get closer to the Calaverde-style process. You can already see above and in the past few pages people are already getting ready to propose comprehensive proposals, which ultimately will only be slightly tweaked by any community input.

[FreYhill]

I'll support this NWO.

[Costa Fierro]

That seems a bit excessive. And a complete waste of time.

Aye mate so was Elizia but we didn't hear a peep from you

By that logic Dagmar was a waste of time too, as was every other incarnation.

[Lykens]

I like this idea in principle, but I feel like it'll return to the rigidity of the past iterations, whereas with Calaverde and the purely open resolution process left a lot of flexibility and leeway between things.

What'll stop this idea from turning the separate propositions into a 'proposal' like before as opposed to a hodge podge like Calaverde?

My hope is that it could decentralize the process, stopping any one person or group from monopolizing the process. That's really why I included the complexities like the ERB and the multi-step committee process: to ensure we get closer to the Calaverde-style process. You can already see above and in the past few pages people are already getting ready to propose comprehensive proposals, which ultimately will only be slightly tweaked by any community input.

I can get behind this.

Aye mate so was Elizia but we didn't hear a peep from you

By that logic Dagmar was a waste of time too, as was every other incarnation.

Dagmar was a huge failure and suffered from the same rigidity of elizia and other issues.

Baltonia is regarded as a failure although I don't know how that was formed, and if I recall Aurentina was fashioned in a similar way to Calaverde and was as successful.

[Costa Fierro]

Baltonia was a failure because people didn't like the idea of Slavs being socially conservative.

[Lykens]

A failure nonetheless.

[Maklohi Vai]

Baltonia was a failure because people didn't like the idea of Slavs being socially conservative.

Baltonia was a failure because people asked for more realism, so the admins imposed it. The decision with the greatest impact is that we said no gay marriage in a post-Soviet country. A good chunk of newer leftists left the RP upon that being finalized, and it just sort of fizzled out. We're not going to do that again.