[NSG Senate] Lobby-ing a Scimitar

[The Licentian Isles]

I don't know how something works, it's broken.

I'm aware of how it works now I've actually seen it; it's actually stupid because I missed the opportunity to vote because I was busy with RL shit and didn't know that the new system required me to vote in the middle of the week. Nice attempt to discredit my argument though.

EDIT - Scratch the bit that I missed the opportunity to vote, since I did. Point still stands though.

[Lykens]

I don't know how something works, it's broken.

I'm aware of how it works now I've actually seen it; it's actually stupid because I missed the opportunity to vote because I was busy with RL shit and didn't know that the new system required me to vote in the middle of the week. Nice attempt to discredit my argument though.

EDIT - Scratch the bit that I missed the opportunity to vote, since I did. Point still stands though.

I wasn't talking to you, Licen .

[The Licentian Isles]

I'm aware of how it works now I've actually seen it; it's actually stupid because I missed the opportunity to vote because I was busy with RL shit and didn't know that the new system required me to vote in the middle of the week. Nice attempt to discredit my argument though.

EDIT - Scratch the bit that I missed the opportunity to vote, since I did. Point still stands though.

I wasn't talking to you, Licen .

This is why we should quote people Lykens

[The Nihilistic view]

The new way the chamber works is absolute nonsense.

Are you surprised? We seem to be in the worst state of blindly voting aye to everything I have ever seen.

[Lykens]

The new way the chamber works is absolute nonsense.

Are you surprised? We seem to be in the worst state of blindly voting aye to everything I have ever seen.

You vote nay on damn near everything.

[Ainin]

The new way the chamber works is absolute nonsense.

Are you surprised? We seem to be in the worst state of blindly voting aye to everything I have ever seen.

Well if you want that to change, you might want to comment on bills...

[The Nihilistic view]

Are you surprised? We seem to be in the worst state of blindly voting aye to everything I have ever seen.

Well if you want that to change, you might want to comment on bills...

I do on most, it all just gets rather pointless because it's the same 5-6 people much of the time so changing the mind of the other 30 is a bit difficult when they show up only to vote most of the time.

[Tumbra]

Also, thanks for reminding me I'm on a committee.

Four working days left iirc. Committee was formed on Monday or Sunday if you live in the weird place called "America".

actually I don't really know what Monday in Asia is to the date in America

[The Nihilistic view]

Are you surprised? We seem to be in the worst state of blindly voting aye to everything I have ever seen.

You vote nay on damn near everything.

Because I am trying to find reasons to get people voting nay to have some actual opposition. To try and make things exciting like Aurentina or the place I can't spell in the tropics. When so many of the bills were damn close run things whether they passed or failed.

[Lykens]

You vote nay on damn near everything.

Because I am trying to find reasons to get people voting nay to have some actual opposition. To try and make things exciting like Aurentina or the place I can't spell in the tropics. When so many of the bills were damn close run things whether they passed or failed.

There aren't any bills to be controversial, social policy is pretty uniform and the only economics are either left or slightly left of center.

[Arkolon]

The new way the chamber works is absolute nonsense.

I too think it's ill-fit for the structure of NSGS.

[The Licentian Isles]

Also, thanks for reminding me I'm on a committee.

Four working days left iirc. Committee was formed on Monday or Sunday if you live in the weird place called "America".

actually I don't really know what Monday in Asia is to the date in America

I'm in the UK, so probably Monday for me too. I've TGed the other two so we can work out what we're gonna do.

[Britanno 3]

I just don't see what was wrong with the old system of voting tbh.

[Lykens]

We have nine bills in the depository.

Wed go through five or six bills a week and run out in two days.

Calaverde officially died when we ran out of bills, just trying to avoid that.

Sorry for trying to think ahead.

[Eol Sha]

Wait, the fuck happened to the Chamber ?? I've been too drunk to properly pay attention for the past week.

A lot of shit. Parlipro got revised, majorly.

Can you explain?

[Arkolon]

We have nine bills in the depository.

Wed go through five or six bills a week and run out in two days.

Calaverde officially died when we ran out of bills, just trying to avoid that.

Sorry for trying to think ahead.

How did Dagmar die again?

[Lykens]

We have nine bills in the depository.

Wed go through five or six bills a week and run out in two days.

Calaverde officially died when we ran out of bills, just trying to avoid that.

Sorry for trying to think ahead.

How did Dagmar die again?

I wasn't there for the end.

[Skyviolia]

Lykens I'm going to have to agree with Ark here, this current system is way more confusing and disorientated than the last one.

[Arkolon]

How did Dagmar die again?

I wasn't there for the end.

It died because the Chamber became ruled by the whim of an active few who could decide agenda as long as they were online. I don't doubt that this is the system real parliamentary democracies use, but this isn't a real parliamentary democracy, this isn't a live Senate - we have players scattered across all of the world's timezones who can't object to motions in just under an hour. Motions I could've objected to were allowed while I was sleeping or in class, and the Senate was given 10 to 15 minutes to object. I'm sure it works fine for a House of Commons or a Model United Nations - where everyone is physically present, huddled together around a Speaker- but for NSG Senate, a forum-based RP with an international community, it's messy and a lot of people are going to be left out. We're already losing votes in the Senate (about half of what we got with the previous system) and no one else seems to be very happy with this new system. There was no problem with the previous one; you and I both enforced memoranda to incite the Government and Opposition to regularly pump out bills, and the Depository is longer than it's been since NSGS: Elizia started. Not only did try to fix something that isn't broken, we managed to not fix it and break it instead in the process.

I want the old system back and I think a lot of people feel the same way.

[Lykens]

Skimming through the half dozen or so pages of the pages that occurred after I left, Dagmar's Chamber was still run the old way. Also offended you'd use my bill as an excuse for Dagmar dying.

I don't see why asking someone to do something for someone else in another timezone is so hard, but once again to the main point, voting on several pieces of legislation here we have less than ten bills in the depository and would go through five bills a week isn't going to solve anything.

And of course the queue is longer since this iteration started, I don't even see why that would be in doubt.

[Nariterrr]

I'm going to put it bluntly, this current system is retarded both OOC and IC. First of all, not everyone lives in the same place at the same time. Currently, the Senate's agenda is decided by a group of people who happen to be online during a few set hours. Its just people who are lucky to be awake whenever Tumbra decides to end the business on the last question. And the whole system is fucked up anyway ICly. In the last system, we had a fair and established queue where all bills were given a chance, now, people who are awake and active at a certain time get to object to the consideration of a bill. This system needs to be repealed, and quickly.

[Arkolon]

Skimming through the half dozen or so pages of the pages that occurred after I left, Dagmar's Chamber was still run the old way. Also offended you'd use my bill as an excuse for Dagmar dying.

I don't see why asking someone to do something for someone else in another timezone is so hard, but once again to the main point, voting on several pieces of legislation here we have less than ten bills in the depository and would go through five bills a week isn't going to solve anything.

And of course the queue is longer since this iteration started, I don't even see why that would be in doubt.

New bills are written all the time - look at the frequency at which new bills are pumped out by the Senate. It's deceptive to say 10 / 5 = not a long time of this RP left and you know that. It also defeats the spirit of the Senate and the purpose of proxy voting to basically force people to vote by proxy because they're either asleep or at work or in school. Proxy voting is for when you're absent for an extended period of time, not the ~20 hours a day the average NSGS player doesn't spend on NSGS. I'm not even sure using proxy votes for that reason would even be permitted.

The queue was already long at this RP's beginnings - we've had a long backlog of bills to put to debate and vote for a while now, and there's over a dozen of them to go (and new ones being written all the time). I've never seen such a backlog of bills even compared to the earlier days of Elizia, when the backlog was already lamented as too big. 4-5 bills a week doesn't mean we'll run out of bills very soon and you know that - saying that your system takes things slower is not a selling point, it's actually a significant disadvantage.

[Zurkerx]

You vote nay on damn near everything.

Because I am trying to find reasons to get people voting nay to have some actual opposition. To try and make things exciting like Aurentina or the place I can't spell in the tropics. When so many of the bills were damn close run things whether they passed or failed.

Yeah, I miss those days.

[Collatis]

So... what did I miss?

[FreYhill]