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Postby Filimons » Sun Jul 03, 2016 1:23 am

A few days ago, I submitted a post calling for a greater number of Christians to be recognised in our national religious statistics. As it stands, they are merely counted as part of 3,3 per cent of “others”, which is not limited to them and includes two groups which tend to be small, or in some cases, practically non-existent in our region: Jews and Shi’ites. If we assign ⅓ to each (Christians, Jew and Shi’ites), we end up with half of our Euro-Elizian population (per the proposal document, 2,2 per cent) being unaccounted for as they are extremely unlikely to have converted en masse to, say, Hinduism; irreligion would be a more satisfactory explanation, but it stands to reason that Euro-Elizians, being more conservative than those in their ancestral homeland, would leave their faith in lesser numbers. Please feel free to have a look at my reasoning.

I was going to put forth a motion to increase it, but I have instead opted to listen to what everyone has to say before formally submitting it. Thank you and sorry if my constant proposals are annoying.
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Postby Electrum » Sun Jul 03, 2016 5:32 am

Arkolon wrote:Here is a suggestion, I made it quite quickly and I've tested it out, it seems to work very reliably. I should be able to answer any "But why..."s, "What if..."s and "How come..."s, and every question you could have about the suggestion. I've done this before in Calaverde and to a more private extent in Dagmar but I'd prefer if everyone could see what I'm doing and why I'm doing it. Hopefully the GDoc makes it as clear as possible.


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Postby Maklohi Vai » Sun Jul 03, 2016 12:57 pm

Arkolon wrote:Here is a suggestion, I made it quite quickly and I've tested it out, it seems to work very reliably. I should be able to answer any "But why..."s, "What if..."s and "How come..."s, and every question you could have about the suggestion. I've done this before in Calaverde and to a more private extent in Dagmar but I'd prefer if everyone could see what I'm doing and why I'm doing it. Hopefully the GDoc makes it as clear as possible.

Very cool, thanks Ark.
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Postby Malgrave » Sun Jul 03, 2016 10:32 pm

Arkolon wrote:*sneeze*


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Postby The IASM » Mon Jul 04, 2016 10:57 am

I decided to return.
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Postby The Sarian » Mon Jul 04, 2016 1:41 pm

Can I just highlight how outrageous it is that NWO has not been sanctioned for releasing the details of another member of this RPs details, and the details of a family member currently in the fostercare system.

This a clearly malicious act that demonstrates a moral deficiency. and should have been universally condemned by all users on IRC at the time and all members of the Senate. NWO should have faced a lengthy ban from IRC and I would encourage similar action to be taken in regards to the wider RP. This didn't happen.

Apparently, we have so many admins on the IRC so they can deal with incidents like this, yet they have done nothing. One admin allegedly told Kam that he "does not have the authority" to ban people. One has to question, what is the point of them? Additionally, admins have told me that they're discussing it - yet why has NWO not been temporarily banned whilst this investigation takes place? There is no doubt that this incident took place, so why is there inaction against a clear breach of IRC rules and basic morals?

Just to highlight the absurdity of this situation, here are some examples of admins kicking and banning people in the past (they're all examples of real kicks/bans rather than the jokey ones that happen all the time):

[2016-06-04 21:49:28] <CrearBIn> General is a cesspool of autism
[2016-06-04 21:49:35] <Sarian> Because General is a terrible place to debate
[2016-06-04 21:49:54] <Sarian> And for that matter, so is most written forms of debate
[2016-06-04 21:49:59] <Sarian> I like speaking
[2016-06-04 21:50:06] * CrearBIn was kicked by Jeck (Using the word "autism" in that context isn't funny, k?)

[2016-02-20 23:13:10] <Pruss> Raven shut your mouth you're one of the stupidest people I have ever witnessed exist
[2016-02-20 23:13:19] <Merizoc> dont
[2016-02-20 23:13:34] <Ravenflight> Lovely
[2016-02-20 23:13:37] <Merizoc> there's no need for that pruss
[2016-02-20 23:13:47] <Ravenflight> I see you still havent grown up :)
[2016-02-20 23:13:50] <Ike> hey raven
[2016-02-20 23:13:53] <Ike> don't make it worse
[2016-02-20 23:13:55] <Ravenflight> k
[2016-02-20 23:14:00] <Ravenflight> soz
[2016-02-20 23:14:04] <Pruss> I see you're still a pan-fucking toddler
[2016-02-20 23:14:33] * Pruss was kicked by Merizoc (Pruss)
[2016-02-20 23:14:33] * Merizoc set channel modes +b pruss!*@*

[2015-12-24 18:04:56] <Lykens> .seen Reno_Lam
[2015-12-24 18:04:56] <feepbot> Lykens: I have last seen Reno_Lam right now saying "lol".
[2015-12-24 18:04:58] <Lykens> Damn it.
[2015-12-24 18:05:10] <Sarian> .seen Ike
[2015-12-24 18:05:11] <feepbot> Sarian: I have last seen Ike 12 hours, 56 minutes ago saying ":c".
[2015-12-24 18:05:12] <Lykens> .seen Soviet_Canuckistan
[2015-12-24 18:05:13] <feepbot> Lykens: I have last seen Soviet_Canuckistan 13 hours, 3 minutes ago saying ".decide Christmas|Hanukkah".
[2015-12-24 18:05:17] <Lykens> RIP
[2015-12-24 18:05:21] <Merizoc> omfg stop
[2015-12-24 18:05:23] * Lykens was kicked by Malgravy (Lykens)

[2015-12-07 22:51:39] * Sarian → Atlanticuntia
[2015-12-07 22:51:45] <Ike> Ю
[2015-12-07 22:52:03] <kelinfort> For NSGS? You, probably.
[2015-12-07 22:52:09] <Merizoc> yay
[2015-12-07 22:52:10] <Atlanticuntia> 22:48 ← You were kicked by Malgravy (Mibbit@host-92-2-28-174.as43234.net): Atlanticuntia

[2015-11-28 19:00:51] <Sarian> Raven is insulting me via PM
[2015-11-28 19:01:00] <Sarian> Can you please discipline him
[2015-11-28 19:01:08] <Sarian> 19:00 <AT_Raven_Flight_> misinformed child molesting pig fucker sounds about right
[2015-11-28 19:01:16] <Pruss> ha
[2015-11-28 19:01:21] <Pruss> Is he really?
[2015-11-28 19:01:40] <AT_Raven_Flight_> I can't say on this IRC
[2015-11-28 19:01:43] <Sarian> http://prntscr.com/980sie
[2015-11-28 19:01:44] <Malgravy> cut it out.
[2015-11-28 19:01:45] <AT_Raven_Flight_> maybe in NG
[2015-11-28 19:02:01] <AT_Raven_Flight_> *TG
[2015-11-28 19:02:19] <AT_Raven_Flight_> May I point out Mal...this wasn't anything on NSG
[2015-11-28 19:02:23] <AT_Raven_Flight_> and true
[2015-11-28 19:02:24] <AT_Raven_Flight_> [19:00] <AT_Raven_Flight_> misinformed child molesting pig fucker sounds about right
[2015-11-28 19:02:39] <Collatis> That is not acceptable IRC behavior
[2015-11-28 19:02:39] * AT_Raven_Flight_ was kicked by Malgravy (AT_Raven_Flight_)

As you can see, people have been punished (rightly so) for much less than this.

Can we please, as a community, join together to support Kam and condemn the actions of NWO. She should not still be on the IRC after this incident. I think this is best highlighted by the fact that when I told Kam I would stick up for him, he told me that it would be at the risk of my details being released. She has created a completely unacceptable climate and for that she should be punished. It would be utterly wrong to do nothing.
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Postby Kamchastkia » Mon Jul 04, 2016 2:01 pm

The IASM wrote:I decided to return.

I'd strongly recommend against it, as it seems your run the risk of having your personal information divulged to the world without any action being taken against them by the only people here who have the power to do so.

I've sat here peacefully, gone through proper channels, and tried to get any form of action taken against a person who knowingly and purposefuly and with malice intent attempted to leak my current place of residence to the world, and leaked several previous addresses of mine in the process. This person also tried to leak my home phone number, and successfully leaked the full name of my nephew who we are currently in the process of formally adopting out of the foster care system. This person did this all because I referred to someone else with a term they found distasteful. This person then proceeded to threaten me in the presence of four OPs, at least two of whom (Zurkerx and Collatis) were active:

10:06 PM <eh> is it automatically a threat if you feel threatened?
10:07 PM <eh> sorry if the ambiguity was threatening, here: don't be a fucking prick


The only thing that has actually been done about this quite fucking serious attempt to release my personal address, phone number, and the names of the immediate relatives who live here with me has been restricted to these comments by the two people who were present, and had the power to do something but didn't:

9:57 PM <@Zurkerx> Let's just not look up people's addresses ok, it's not necessary
10:03 PM <@Collatis> Okay eh why are you doing this
10:04 PM <@Collatis> Okay eh there's really no reason for this


These comments were made only /after/ eh threatened me with further action, it seems to all of the OPs who were present, this was not something serious, and wasn't going to be treated seriously. I had a private message conversation with Collatis while this was going on and this is all he had to say:

9:53 PM <CrearBIn> idk
9:53 PM <CrearBIn> ban her tho
9:53 PM <CrearBIn> before she gets the right one
9:53 PM <CrearBIn> Doxing is against rules rite
9:53 PM <CrearBIn> :P
...
10:16 PM <Collatis> Kam you know for a fact I'm not authorized to ban anyone


It seems very clear to me that the only reason nothing was done about eh's quite flagrant attempt to leak my personal address, phone number, full name, the name of my father, and the name of my nephew is because I am me, Kamchastkia, someone who is not well liked in this community (with merit or without idgaf), so it's okay to have my personal information let out to the public. It's okay to leak the personal information of people who are not well liked in this community, according to the OPs, especially if the person doing the leaking is a personal friend of the OPs in question. I don't expect anything substantive to come out of this post of mine, but I want this to be a warning to everyone else in this community who think about spending time and actually enjoying their time here -- if you get on anyone's bad side your entire personal life can be leaked to everyone here, and to the public, without anything being done to the person who did it.

Whether or not what I said hurt someone's feelings is irrelevant, someone blatantly tried to leak my personal information -- and nothing's been done about it. At the time of this post, eh is still connected to the IRC channel, still active, and the mods who are there have still done nothing.

Finally I'd like to say this to anyone even thinking about trying to play this game and have fun:
JOIN AT THE RISK OF HAVING YOUR PERSONAL INFORMATION BEING RELEASED, YOUR ADDRESS, YOUR PHONE NUMBER, YOUR FAMILY MEMBER'S NAMES, WITHOUT ANY ACTION BEING TAKEN SHOULD YOU OFFEND ANOTHER MEMBER OF THIS GROUP. DOXING RESULTS IN NO REAL PUNISHMENT BEING TAKEN, ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE FRIENDS OF THOSE WITH ANY POWER.

With that done, I'm done with this RP, this website, this community. I've had enough of this bullshit.
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Postby Argentarino » Mon Jul 04, 2016 2:51 pm

Yeah, can NWO be fucking banned from this RP and from the IRC? This shit is not okay. Kam, have you tried to reach out to NS Moderators? I know they can't do anything concerning the IRC, but surely there is a path you can take within this website?
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Postby MERIZoC » Mon Jul 04, 2016 2:51 pm

*admin hat on*

To clarify-NWO has been given an indefinite ban for Doxxing. This is a completely unacceptable action regardless of the context. I apologize on behalf of the op team that she wasn't stopped while it was happening, however after the fact it was not immediately necessary to do so, so we waited a bit while discussing.

Kam has been given a 1 week ban for toxic behavior, which occurred before the dox. We want to ensure the irc is a good community, and all members must respect each other.

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Postby MERIZoC » Mon Jul 04, 2016 2:55 pm

I should clarify, these are both irc bans.
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Postby Argentarino » Mon Jul 04, 2016 2:56 pm

Merizoc wrote:I should clarify, these are both irc bans.

And will we bar from NWO from this RP? I really don't feel comfortable RPing with someone here who can doxx people for one reason or another.
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Postby The Sarian » Mon Jul 04, 2016 2:57 pm

Argentarino wrote:
Merizoc wrote:I should clarify, these are both irc bans.

And will we bar from NWO from this RP? I really don't feel comfortable RPing with someone here who can doxx people for one reason or another.

I'd like to second this.
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Postby Britanno 2 » Mon Jul 04, 2016 4:19 pm

The admins are discussing the situation. Our response to this will set a precedent, which means that a response cannot and will not be rushed.
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Postby Kamchastkia » Tue Jul 05, 2016 7:27 am

Merizoc wrote:Kam has been given a 1 week ban for toxic behavior, which occurred before the dox.

Explain.

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Postby Maklohi Vai » Tue Jul 05, 2016 8:10 am

Kamchastkia wrote:
Merizoc wrote:Kam has been given a 1 week ban for toxic behavior, which occurred before the dox.

Explain.

*admin hat on*
Repeatedly refusing to use a person's preferred pronouns denies them full personhood. That could be ban-able in itself. Calling someone "disgusting thing" is just plain flaming, as is your use of the c-word to refer to someone.

As for the doxxing incident, the admins are coming close to a decision. We are expecting to release a final ruling within 24 hours. This may change if we receive new information. Not coincidentally, if you happen to have new information, please do send it to us to make sure our investigation is as well informed as possible and our eventual decision will take in as much information as possible. Here, I've even formatted the TG sending list for you: Maklohi Vai, Zurkerx, Britanno 2, Arkolon, Merizoc
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Tue Jul 05, 2016 11:03 am

Maklohi Vai wrote:
Kamchastkia wrote:Explain.

*admin hat on*
Repeatedly refusing to use a person's preferred pronouns denies them full personhood. That could be ban-able in itself. Calling someone "disgusting thing" is just plain flaming, as is your use of the c-word to refer to someone.



I agree with the second point but since when was it Admin policy to censer ideological ideas because they are not the ones accepted by the majority? The fact you think not calling them a certain word denies personhood is a philosophical argument in itself.
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Postby Kamchastkia » Tue Jul 05, 2016 12:14 pm

Maklohi Vai wrote:
Kamchastkia wrote:Explain.

*admin hat on*
Repeatedly refusing to use a person's preferred pronouns denies them full personhood. That could be ban-able in itself. Calling someone "disgusting thing" is just plain flaming, as is your use of the c-word to refer to someone.


I've never referred to anyone like that, that's a lie. If you fucking read what was actually done instead of sitting on your fucking hands for 24 hours before actually taking action. I was joking about a warning I got on the NS Forums for editting a reply I made to Merizoc I think, the post is here:

(And side note, since when did you guys become the arbiter of moral character, would you like me to go through my nearly year's worth of logs and show you the shit I've been called in the chatroom by OPs? You guys aren't fucking NS Mods and you should stop trying to impersonate them by trying to punish me for action elsewhere.)

Kamchastkia wrote:-------

you see nothing mods look somewhere else ya little cunts


8:58 PM <CrearBIn> hhahahaha
8:58 PM <CrearBIn> I GOT WARNED
8:58 PM <CrearBIn> FOR CALLING THE MODS CUNTS
8:58 PM <CrearBIn> XD
8:58 PM <CrearBIn> I should quote the warn
8:58 PM <UotW> IT'S "THINKEST" YOU IDIOT
8:58 PM <CrearBIn> and ttell he/she/it/tranny disgusting thing that they weren't supposed to look at that


I was referring to this and the moderator who gave me the warning, in jest, to other people. I never "refused to use a person's perferred pronouns". You're full of horseshit. I haven't fucking ever said anything of the sort on the IRC, now I know the Senate Admin team is filled currently to the fucking brim of people who dislike me, but you're really digging for shit. And since you're bringing up the use of personal pronouns, I should bring up the term Victim Blaming. It seems its okay to do when the person on the other side is again, someone you dislike.

Maklohi Vai wrote:As for the doxxing incident, the admins are coming close to a decision. We are expecting to release a final ruling within 24 hours. This may change if we receive new information. Not coincidentally, if you happen to have new information, please do send it to us to make sure our investigation is as well informed as possible and our eventual decision will take in as much information as possible. Here, I've even formatted the TG sending list for you: Maklohi Vai, Zurkerx, Britanno 2, Arkolon, Merizoc


And no, I won't leave it to TGs because it seems the only way to get things done by you useless admins is to post a rant in the lobby, otherwise you'll sit on your fucking hands saying you don't have the authority to ban someone who fucking doxed me.

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Postby Arkolon » Tue Jul 05, 2016 12:24 pm

Maklohi Vai wrote:
Arkolon wrote:Here is a suggestion, I made it quite quickly and I've tested it out, it seems to work very reliably. I should be able to answer any "But why..."s, "What if..."s and "How come..."s, and every question you could have about the suggestion. I've done this before in Calaverde and to a more private extent in Dagmar but I'd prefer if everyone could see what I'm doing and why I'm doing it. Hopefully the GDoc makes it as clear as possible.

Very cool, thanks Ark.

Thanks, I'm glad you appreciate it. It's a bit lengthy but it's all there. Anyway, to actually get on with it I need to know what Elizia's main industries are. Any ideas? I was thinking maybe textile industry, like Bangladesh? We aren't nearly as developed as Malaysia or Singapore so we can't use financial services or, say, tourism as a major export.
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Postby The Sarian » Tue Jul 05, 2016 12:25 pm

Arkolon wrote:
Maklohi Vai wrote:Very cool, thanks Ark.

Thanks, I'm glad you appreciate it. It's a bit lengthy but it's all there. Anyway, to actually get on with it I need to know what Elizia's main industries are. Any ideas? I was thinking maybe textile industry, like Bangladesh? We aren't nearly as developed as Malaysia or Singapore so we can't use financial services or, say, tourism as a major export.

Salt.
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Postby Kamchastkia » Tue Jul 05, 2016 12:29 pm

Arkolon wrote:
Maklohi Vai wrote:Very cool, thanks Ark.

Thanks, I'm glad you appreciate it. It's a bit lengthy but it's all there. Anyway, to actually get on with it I need to know what Elizia's main industries are. Any ideas? I was thinking maybe textile industry, like Bangladesh? We aren't nearly as developed as Malaysia or Singapore so we can't use financial services or, say, tourism as a major export.

Identity Theft.

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Postby Arkolon » Tue Jul 05, 2016 12:32 pm

The Sarian wrote:
Arkolon wrote:Thanks, I'm glad you appreciate it. It's a bit lengthy but it's all there. Anyway, to actually get on with it I need to know what Elizia's main industries are. Any ideas? I was thinking maybe textile industry, like Bangladesh? We aren't nearly as developed as Malaysia or Singapore so we can't use financial services or, say, tourism as a major export.

Salt.

As meta as that would be I'm not sure SE Asia is an important salt miner. Google reveals some in India but not much further.

For reference, anyway: electrical & electronic products, palm oil, liquefied natural gas, petroleum, chemicals, machinery, optical & scientific equipment, manufactures of metal, rubber, wood and wood products (Malaysian exports); Oil and gas, cement, food, electrical appliances, construction, plywood, textiles, rubber (Indonesian exports); Textiles, footwear, fishery products, rice, rubber, jewelry, automobiles, computers and electrical appliances (Thai exports).
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Postby United Provinces of Atlantica » Tue Jul 05, 2016 12:50 pm

Arkolon wrote:
The Sarian wrote:Salt.

As meta as that would be I'm not sure SE Asia is an important salt miner. Google reveals some in India but not much further.

For reference, anyway: electrical & electronic products, palm oil, liquefied natural gas, petroleum, chemicals, machinery, optical & scientific equipment, manufactures of metal, rubber, wood and wood products (Malaysian exports); Oil and gas, cement, food, electrical appliances, construction, plywood, textiles, rubber (Indonesian exports); Textiles, footwear, fishery products, rice, rubber, jewelry, automobiles, computers and electrical appliances (Thai exports).

China's a fairly large salt producer (as is Australia) so it'd make some non-meta sense. Generally though, it'd be excellent to have one of the world's largest salt producers to be Elizia.
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