[NSG Senate] Lobby-ing a Scimitar

[Ainin]

Opposed. Wanna know why? Two words:

GALACTIC REPUBLIC

I definitely like the idea, but Aurentina was in the Mediterranean as well. I don't know all that much about Aurentina, but if they are too similar that could be a problem.

If my memory serves correctly (correct me if I am wrong, this was 3-4 years ago), Aurentina was not there but, in the North Sea?

You're thinking of Vestmark, a proposal that lost out to Calaverde.

[Zurkerx]

If my memory serves correctly (correct me if I am wrong, this was 3-4 years ago), Aurentina was not there but, in the North Sea?

You're thinking of Vestmark, a proposal that lost out to Calaverde.

I forgot about Vestmark, yeah, now I remember.

[The Miaphysite Church of Coptic Archism]

Resolved: the nation shall be on planet Earth.

Sponsored/seconded/etc.

[Partido Liberal Constitucional]

Any history that ends with "due to [blank] tensions, a constitutional convention is called" is a weak history. There should be a real reason for this country existing.

The thing is, if you want a blank slate setting, without that there aren't many other choices that don't imply drastic changes.

[The Intergalactic Universe Corporation]

I was thinking of a Caribbean like nation which can eventually become a major offshore financial and tourism hub.

[Costa Fierro]

I was thinking of a Caribbean like nation which can eventually become a major offshore financial and tourism hub.

One already exists: Panama.

[Arachaea]

Someone sent me a telegram linking me to some poll site where I had to rank my options. I didn't submit the ballot, but I must ask, was this an official poll?

And anyway, I'd be quite fond of the Mediterranean island proposal.

[Ainin]

<JUD|KRZ> Who is running this location poll and what is the election method? Does anyone know?
<Merizoc1> I dont know
<Merizoc> the admins certainly didnt approve it

[The Intergalactic Universe Corporation]

I was thinking of a Caribbean like nation which can eventually become a major offshore financial and tourism hub.

One already exists: Panama.

We can rival them. And we can avoid rampant poverty as well.

[FreYhill]

One already exists: Panama.

We can rival them. And we can avoid rampant poverty as well.

Idk tbh, it sounds similar to what I've heard from Calaverde. I do think we shouldn't be as dirt poor as Elizia though.

[Maklohi Vai]

Someone sent me a telegram linking me to some poll site where I had to rank my options. I didn't submit the ballot, but I must ask, was this an official poll?

And anyway, I'd be quite fond of the Mediterranean island proposal.

It's entirely informal and non-binding. Not admin sanctioned, in either meaning of the contranym.

[Roosevetania]

I support Kaliningrad Oblast. There could be international issues such as it being a new nation and trying to maintain its independence from Russia.

[Tectonix]

I support Kaliningrad Oblast. There could be international issues such as it being a new nation and trying to maintain its independence from Russia.

Yay!

[Lykens]

See, now we all have good ideas of what we'd like to see in F-istan. We can make the following proposals:

Resolved: the nation will be located in the Caribbean

Resolved: the nation will be located off the West Coast of Africa

Resolved: the nation will be located off the East Coast of Africa

I think Portuguese would make it interesting (we've had Spanish and English would be boring) and the goal is to have the politics resemble what we players are used to (the Euro-American political paradigm). That's why I chose the Caribbean and tried to make it fit historically, but it doesn't really stick with, like you said Filimons, the Treaty of Tordesillas. Off of Brazil would just look a bit awkward on the map, don't you think? I'm not particularly against squeezing the country onto an already-existing continent either, so we could do that.

I don't think we should do resolutions like this, as they basically serve to just try and get one proposal through one step at a time. We should be more general.

Ex.

Resolved: The nation shall be in the eastern [or western] hemisphere

etc etc

Originally I was going to sit back and see what we could come up with, but as Merizoc said this is just becoming 'which proposal will get to the finish line'. NWO tried to combat this with committees, and as that failed I think this will be the only remedy to preventing proposals, which have been said will not be voted on several times and yet still keep coming, so I'm going to support breaking it down by hemisphere in order to prevent another shoddy and rigid iteration.

[The New World Oceania]

I don't think we should do resolutions like this, as they basically serve to just try and get one proposal through one step at a time. We should be more general.

Ex.

Resolved: The nation shall be in the eastern [or western] hemisphere

etc etc

Originally I was going to sit back and see what we could come up with, but as Merizoc said this is just becoming 'which proposal will get to the finish line'. NWO tried to combat this with committees, and as that failed I think this will be the only remedy to preventing proposals, which have been said will not be voted on several times and yet still keep coming, so I'm going to support breaking it down by hemisphere in order to prevent another shoddy and rigid iteration.

Extremely unlikely to work. The only reason we've ever voted by hemisphere in the past was to get the Vestmark proposal through. Just let people vote on the proposals — voting by hemisphere obscures the process, limits our options, and waste our time.

[Lykens]

Originally I was going to sit back and see what we could come up with, but as Merizoc said this is just becoming 'which proposal will get to the finish line'. NWO tried to combat this with committees, and as that failed I think this will be the only remedy to preventing proposals, which have been said will not be voted on several times and yet still keep coming, so I'm going to support breaking it down by hemisphere in order to prevent another shoddy and rigid iteration.

Extremely unlikely to work. The only reason we've ever voted by hemisphere in the past was to get the Vestmark proposal through. Just let people vote on the proposals — voting by hemisphere obscures the process, limits our options, and waste our time.

No. The spirit of this idea is everyone who participates has a hand in crafting it. We're not breaking now proposals so that they can get through, that defeats the purpose of this method, and if we're just going to have another Dagmar or Elizia we might as well pack up shop and end this now.

Voting by hemisphere narrows down the possible locations rather than picking one location at the outset and having to stick with it.

[Arkolon]

Extremely unlikely to work. The only reason we've ever voted by hemisphere in the past was to get the Vestmark proposal through. Just let people vote on the proposals — voting by hemisphere obscures the process, limits our options, and waste our time.

No. The spirit of this idea is everyone who participates has a hand in crafting it. We're not breaking now proposals so that they can get through, that defeats the purpose of this method, and if we're just going to have another Dagmar or Elizia we might as well pack up shop and end this now.

Voting by hemisphere narrows down the possible locations rather than picking one location at the outset and having to stick with it.

We were crafting states through proposals. We as a collective pointed out how a lusophone nation in the Caribbean wouldn't make sense, or the demographics of a Black Sea island, and potential in West or East Africa. We were crafting states through ideas, even if proposals are not admin-sanctioned and aren't even official. It's to get people talking, get people thinking, and in the end, hopefully, we'll have a handful of well-planned and thought-through proposals that we'd end up voting on. If we will do admin-sanctioned and official proposals where we go through hemisphere by hemisphere to vote on which quadrant of the globe the country will be in, that'll work too. But there's no harm in people throwing ideas around and really thinking about the type of country they want - and giving constructive criticism on that which other people want.

[The New World Oceania]

Extremely unlikely to work. The only reason we've ever voted by hemisphere in the past was to get the Vestmark proposal through. Just let people vote on the proposals — voting by hemisphere obscures the process, limits our options, and waste our time.

No. The spirit of this idea is everyone who participates has a hand in crafting it. We're not breaking now proposals so that they can get through, that defeats the purpose of this method, and if we're just going to have another Dagmar or Elizia we might as well pack up shop and end this now.

Voting by hemisphere narrows down the possible locations rather than picking one location at the outset and having to stick with it.

So what? We add a single step before picking the location? People are already going to know where they want the location when they vote for hemisphere. Consider this:

We're doing approval voting for a location. We have China, Russia, and Mexico. The results are as follows:
China — 7
Russia — 7
Mexico — 20

Mexico is clearly the most acceptable choice for everyone. China and Russia are 14 people's first choices, while 6 people only approve of Mexico, but neither China nor Russie can muster the support of a majority. Assume we get similar results using IRV as well. We choose Mexico: that's what most people want.

But if we use the hemispheric method, you get this:
Eastern Hemisphere — 14
Western Hemisphere — 6

Now we have to waste time on a second round of voting, and 6 people who don't want anywhere in the Eastern Hemisphere have to join 14 people who'd be fine with either hemisphere in choosing between China and Russia. In terms of approval, you're immediately down by 6 who disapprove of either location, and you'll be down by 7 who disapprove of the location that's going to be selected.

That's a difference of 65% in satisfaction with the new location. It doesn't matter if this is exactly what happens. The fact that it can happen, and subsequently slaughter the chance our next incarnation succeeds, is reason enough not to do it. The only reason it's ever been done before was to force a proposal to be the only option. It is completely contrary to your intention. It won't work.

[The Union of the West]

I have to say I'm with NWO on this one. If people know what they want, there's no need to overcomplicate and lengthen the process by voting on things like the hemisphere.

[Ainin]

I support Kaliningrad Oblast. There could be international issues such as it being a new nation and trying to maintain its independence from Russia.

The senate has previously tried that in Baltonia, it didn't work. International tensions never seem to amount to much in the Senate.

[Roosevetania]

Extremely unlikely to work. The only reason we've ever voted by hemisphere in the past was to get the Vestmark proposal through. Just let people vote on the proposals — voting by hemisphere obscures the process, limits our options, and waste our time.

No. The spirit of this idea is everyone who participates has a hand in crafting it. We're not breaking now proposals so that they can get through, that defeats the purpose of this method, and if we're just going to have another Dagmar or Elizia we might as well pack up shop and end this now.

Voting by hemisphere narrows down the possible locations rather than picking one location at the outset and having to stick with it.

I'm with Lykens.

I have to say I'm with NWO on this one. If people know what they want, there's no need to overcomplicate and lengthen the process by voting on things like the hemisphere.

It helps us narrow it down. It doesn't overcomplicate, in fact the opposite, because we don't have to make complicated proposals way too early. In fact, we passed this resolution:

Author: Lykens
Sponsors: Ikania, Atlantica, Collatis, Heraklea, Freyhill, Sarian, Arachaea, Britanno

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Resolved: The next iteration of the Senate shall be created by membership through resolutions and open debate through the lobby, not detailed proposals until further into the process.

I support Kaliningrad Oblast. There could be international issues such as it being a new nation and trying to maintain its independence from Russia.

The senate has previously tried that in Baltonia, it didn't work. International tensions never seem to amount to much in the Senate.

Hm. Okay.

[FreYhill]

Can the admins show that they are competent and run this shit show? Thx

[Tectonix]

I support Kaliningrad Oblast. There could be international issues such as it being a new nation and trying to maintain its independence from Russia.

The senate has previously tried that in Baltonia, it didn't work. International tensions never seem to amount to much in the Senate.

Mm, alright.

[Arachaea]

Perhaps a island nation west of France and south of Ireland, which is a federation with tensions between the predominantly Celtic northwest and the predominantly French southwest? By tensions I mean that there would be significant regionalist movements in both parts, and parties would either be Irish-speaking or French speaking. The nation would be mostly Catholic and irreligious, religiously speaking.

I suggest this because it means that it would have both left-right politics and the added dimension of regionalism and national unionism. It would also allow for both social liberalism and social conservatism.

Just an idea which developed in my head.

[Maklohi Vai]

Can the admins show that they are competent and run this shit show? Thx

I was about to say...

Apparently some structure is needed. We will be doing the resolution system again, as everyone already knows. I'm going to set the deadline for resolutions to be 11:59pm Friday, Eastern time (note how it's not Pacific like usual). All resolutions must be posted on this thread, clearly marked. You need to repost a resolution if you've already done so. This means preferably without other text in the post. I am now explicitly stating that double posting is ok if you want to provide commentary on the resolution, just so we have clear marking of what's being proposed. The format, as a reminder:

Resolved: The next iteration of the Senate shall be a Basque client state in Tamil Nadu.
Resolved: The admins will deploy a killer rabbit to stop all cave invasion attempts.

As for whether we're voting on portions or voting on whole proposals, the admin team is already discussing this, and we'll get back to you. Any other general things about the running of the RP, the admins, etc. are fair game to write up now.