[NSG Senate] Lobby-ing a Scimitar

[Ikania]

A Greek-speaking state bordering Algeria and Tunisia. This is Ike’s idea, so I will refrain from further comment.

That's not my idea, that's two of my ideas mixed together. The first is for a Greek speaking nation somewhere between Egypt and Cyprus in the Mediterranean, with Turks, refugees and economic issues.

The second is a post-colonial holdout above Algeria/Tunisia that managed to retain its independence because of a large volume of whites (pied-noirs in this particular instance) flocking there and creating a new state with the largest ratio of whites to blacks in Africa. Alternatively it could be an Italian colony near Libya/Somalia, or Portuguese, etc. I don't know how realistic it would be to have serious European efforts at whitening portions of Africa, but it can be assumed that whatever happened to make it so, there was a lot of genocide. Belgium, anyone?

I'd like to push the Baltics even though no one will bite- there's yuge potential for geopolitical tension and fun. Russian minorities, creating Balto-Slavic conlangs (<3 TLT), maybe a Catholic/Orthodox divide, EU/NATO-related issues, Russian intervention looming over our heads to protect said minorities, etc, etc. I wasn't around for much of Baltonia, but whatever killed it, I'm sure it wasn't the mere fact of being a Baltic state.

Lastly, I'd also like to suggest a few other, on-a-whim ideas: Island off eastern South Africa with a lotta white Dutch people, similar to Filimons #3 but different. 1920s-set independent Crimea with Tatars galore and Russians and very motivated, clashing political ideologies between cossacks, communists, monarchists, etc. Rich Persian gulf island/peninsula akin to the UAE/Bahrain/Qatar that just got out of the Arab Spring, a little delayed. Or we could turn back time to 2011 to make it a tiny bit more fitting. Now that would be interesting.

[The Liberated Territories]

I put forth the idea that we should have a nation comparable roughly to modern Zanzibar. It would be rich enough to establish a strong system of property rights and necessary services, but poor and destitute enough for conflict. If our colonizers are the British, we could potentially justify speaking English all the time, or I have also suggested the possibility of making our colonizers Aurentinian, to both used a preestablished conlang and national symbols to draw off of, and for nostalgia reasons (Anyone want to bring back Boris Johnson ;p). It would be located in Africa, perhaps off the shore of South Africa, or perhaps a bit to the north and east.

[The Miaphysite Church of Coptic Archism]

I like the sound of that Caspian island-nation.

[Beta Test]

Atlantica is right, rigid pre-defined nations have always ended in failure or mediocrity. The blank slate method works and allows far greater contribution and consensus than anything else. It encourages a large amount of activity at the start of an incarnation, which is vital for success.

[Ikania]

Alright, let's get started. Here are six location ideas I'm putting forth to gauge opinion. Feel free to add more location ideas with your own proposals. We'll see which one wins out.

RESOLVED: The next incarnation shall take place in Europe.
RESOLVED: The next incarnation shall take place in or around Africa.
RESOLVED: The next incarnation shall take place in the Arab/Muslim world.
RESOLVED: The next incarnation shall take place in the Americas.
RESOLVED: The next incarnation shall take place in Eurasia (Caucasia to Kyrgyzstan).
RESOLVED: The next incarnation shall take place on or around the Indian subcontinent.

[Socialist Nordia]

RESOLVED: The next incarnation shall take place in or around Africa.

Seconded, since we've never done that and it sounds interesting. I was thinking something around South Africa.

[Tectonix]

RESOLVED: The next incarnation shall take place in or around Africa.

"Thirded, since just like Nordia, I am intrigued of the Afro-ethnocentrism aspect that will be added. However, I desired a more Horn of Africa kind of place, around Djibouti.

[FreYhill]

RESOLVED: The next incarnation shall take place in Australasia.

[Ikania]

RESOLVED: The next incarnation shall take place in Australasia.

RESOLVED: Freyhill is banned from the roleplay.

[Lykens]

No, bad Ike.

We have to take a break from the Senate before we get into the fun stuff of creating a new nation.

[MERIZoC]

Couple things:

Firstly, if you haven't already, please archive all your NSGS threads. Party threads, RP threads, etc. Remember that only the thread OP account can request that. Go here to request an archive: http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=287760

Secondly,

Resolution A

Author: Lykens
Sponsors: Heraklea, Atlantica, Ikania, Sarian, Arachaea

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Resolved: The NSG Senate shall be renamed the NationStates Senate.

Resolution B

Author: Lykens
Sponsors: Ikania, Atlantica, Collatis, Heraklea, Freyhill, Sarian, Arachaea, Britanno

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Resolved: The next iteration of the Senate shall be created by membership through resolutions and open debate through the lobby, not detailed proposals until further into the process.

Resolution C

Author: Collatis
Sponsors: United Provinces of Atlantica, Freyhill, The Sarian, Arachaea, Britanno 3

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Resolved: The next iteration of the Senate shall take place in a nation whose name starts with the letter F, and all future incarnations shall start with the letter immediately following the previous incarnation's letter in the alphabet.

Resolution D

Author: Ainin
Sponsors: Enough

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Resolved: That there are to be five administrators at all times and that the Head Admin fills vacancies with the advice and consent of the community.

Resolution E

Author: Ainin
Sponsors: Enough

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Resolved: That a vote must be held if ten members of the community sign onto a petition to impeach an admin for incompetence or inactivity.

We are wayyyyy off from starting a new nation and we aren't even going to begin that, so Ike's resolutions are not on the table. 24 hours of debate on these, and then we vote.

[Collatis]

I totally agree with what Lykens, Atlantica, and Beta have said. I'd also like to add on that an important part of having a successful incarnation is having a conventional left-right political spectrum. Any attempts to introduce something that greatly unbalances that will hurt the incarnation. In Baltonia it was the geopolitical West vs. Russia set up. In Dagmar it was the Pagans, and the commies and fascists allying together, along with the relative weakness of the conventional parties. In Elizia it was its location in southeast Asia, where politics was turned on its head, with social and economic liberalism seen as unacceptable. This may be disappointing to people who want to see a unique set up, but the best way to do that is within the confines of a conventional political system. In Calaverde we had very interesting political parties, along with a very clear left, right, and center. This is what is necessary for a successful incarnation.

[Ikania]

Obviously those kinds of politics are generally found in the developed world. We need a decently white nation influenced by Europe and the West, with enough development to put conventional politics into view but not enough to be incredibly stable. Just putting it out there, the Baltics are perfect for that in addition to the NATO-Russia dynamic. Dagmar was too highly developed, stable and rich. Elizia is just totally different politics. We need to set our focus on Europe and European nations.

And on that note, I heard former Dutch colonies in the Atlantic aren't looking too bad these days.

[MERIZoC]

Lets keep the talk to just the resolutions for now, please. You will have weeks, maybe months, to talk about plans for the new nation.

[FreYhill]

Obviously those kinds of politics are generally found in the developed world. We need a decently white nation influenced by Europe and the West, with enough development to put conventional politics into view but not enough to be incredibly stable. Just putting it out there, the Baltics are perfect for that in addition to the NATO-Russia dynamic. Dagmar was too highly developed, stable and rich. Elizia is just totally different politics. We need to set our focus on Europe and European nations.

And on that note, I heard former Dutch colonies in the Atlantic aren't looking too bad these days.

I've got to agree with Ike on the Baltics nao

[Lykens]

Resolution C

Author: Collatis
Sponsors: United Provinces of Atlantica, Freyhill, The Sarian, Arachaea, Britanno 3

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Resolved: The next iteration of the Senate shall take place in a nation whose name starts with the letter F, and all future incarnations shall start with the letter immediately following the previous incarnation's letter in the alphabet.

I'd like to voice my opposition to this resolution.

While it is fun and traditional to do this, (Aurentina, Baltonia, Calaverde, Dagmar, Elizia) codifying an unwritten convention makes it less fun.

Not only that, but it'll restrict us namewise (I very much disliked the name Dagmar and I'm pretty sure it was only chosen because d follows c) and it'll most likely produce bad names down the line or completely stump and confound us at Q and X.

[The Miaphysite Church of Coptic Archism]

Obviously those kinds of politics are generally found in the developed world. We need a decently white nation influenced by Europe and the West, with enough development to put conventional politics into view but not enough to be incredibly stable. Just putting it out there, the Baltics are perfect for that in addition to the NATO-Russia dynamic. Dagmar was too highly developed, stable and rich. Elizia is just totally different politics. We need to set our focus on Europe and European nations.

And on that note, I heard former Dutch colonies in the Atlantic aren't looking too bad these days.

I've got to agree with Ike on the Baltics nao

More or less agreed.

[MERIZoC]

archism wtf did i just say you hoe

[Ikania]

Resolution C

Author: Collatis
Sponsors: United Provinces of Atlantica, Freyhill, The Sarian, Arachaea, Britanno 3

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Resolved: The next iteration of the Senate shall take place in a nation whose name starts with the letter F, and all future incarnations shall start with the letter immediately following the previous incarnation's letter in the alphabet.

I'd like to voice my opposition to this resolution.

While it is fun and traditional to do this, (Aurentina, Baltonia, Calaverde, Dagmar, Elizia) codifying an unwritten convention makes it less fun.

Not only that, but it'll restrict us namewise (I very much disliked the name Dagmar and I'm pretty sure it was only chosen because d follows c) and it'll most likely produce bad names down the line or completely stump and confound us at Q and X.

This, so much. Damn your tradition, it's stupid and deserves to die a painful death if the name we end up with isn't good.

[Lykens]

archism wtf did i just say you hoe

Preserved for posterity.

[Socialist Nordia]

Lets keep the talk to just the resolutions for now, please. You will have weeks, maybe months, to talk about plans for the new nation.

Wait a second, months? Wow, that's a long time.

[Lykens]

Lets keep the talk to just the resolutions for now, please. You will have weeks, maybe months, to talk about plans for the new nation.

Wait a second, months? Wow, that's a long time.

If we rush into the next one it's going to die most likely within a short period of time.

We need to have a nice little break and let the Senate cool off.

[Collatis]

Resolution C

Author: Collatis
Sponsors: United Provinces of Atlantica, Freyhill, The Sarian, Arachaea, Britanno 3

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Resolved: The next iteration of the Senate shall take place in a nation whose name starts with the letter F, and all future incarnations shall start with the letter immediately following the previous incarnation's letter in the alphabet.

I'd like to voice my opposition to this resolution.

While it is fun and traditional to do this, (Aurentina, Baltonia, Calaverde, Dagmar, Elizia) codifying an unwritten convention makes it less fun.

Not only that, but it'll restrict us namewise (I very much disliked the name Dagmar and I'm pretty sure it was only chosen because d follows c) and it'll most likely produce bad names down the line or completely stump and confound us at Q and X.

The tradition is a very important part of NSGS and codifying it essential to continuing it. In Dagmar several non-D names were very much in the running. Dagmar was a fine name in my opinion, despite it being a less than stellar incarnation.

This, so much. Damn your tradition, it's stupid and deserves to die a painful death if the name we end up with isn't good.

And this is exactly why we much codify this essential tradition.

[Belmaria]

Resolution C

Author: Collatis
Sponsors: United Provinces of Atlantica, Freyhill, The Sarian, Arachaea, Britanno 3

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Resolved: The next iteration of the Senate shall take place in a nation whose name starts with the letter F, and all future incarnations shall start with the letter immediately following the previous incarnation's letter in the alphabet.

I'd like to voice my opposition to this resolution.

While it is fun and traditional to do this, (Aurentina, Baltonia, Calaverde, Dagmar, Elizia) codifying an unwritten convention makes it less fun.

Not only that, but it'll restrict us namewise (I very much disliked the name Dagmar and I'm pretty sure it was only chosen because d follows c) and it'll most likely produce bad names down the line or completely stump and confound us at Q and X.

The tradition is a very important part of NSGS and codifying it essential to continuing it. In Dagmar several non-D names were very much in the running. Dagmar was a fine name in my opinion, despite it being a less than stellar incarnation.

This, so much. Damn your tradition, it's stupid and deserves to die a painful death if the name we end up with isn't good.

And this is exactly why we much codify this essential tradition.

Tradition for tradition's sake is ridiculous. That being said, the alphabetization of the names of RP nations within NSGS is nice.

[Collatis]

Tradition for tradition's sake is ridiculous. That being said, the alphabetization of the names of RP nations within NSGS is nice.

I do not disagree. This tradition should be preserved not just because it is a tradition, but because it is a nice and clever aspect of NSGS.