NSG Senate Chamber: It's Not Business, It's Personal

[The Sarian]

"By neglecting to give assent to the SAGEA, you are not only neglecting the majority in this parliament but the voice of the people as well!"

"Out of something like a hundred legislators, the abolition of the monarchy passed by four votes out of a total of sixteen. It isn't the majority of anything, I bet half the MFs didn't know that this was being debated. That's not the democracy that we, uh... that we want to... give... to, uh, the people."

Trevr silently rages at his incapability to speak smoothly.

Didn't you leave?

[Ikania]

"Out of something like a hundred legislators, the abolition of the monarchy passed by four votes out of a total of sixteen. It isn't the majority of anything, I bet half the MFs didn't know that this was being debated. That's not the democracy that we, uh... that we want to... give... to, uh, the people."

Trevr silently rages at his incapability to speak smoothly.

Didn't you leave?

Yes. And?

[New Zepuha]

"God save the King, long may he reign!"

[Britanno 2]

"Those among us who would deprive him of his God-given position are not only going against the mighty Lord's will, but also depriving the people of their rightful sovereign. God save the king!"

[Western Pacific Territories]

"This bill was passed by the Folketing! A king refusing to give up his seat of power, when the elected representatives of the people order him to do so is absolute madness!" The senator stands up. "Power to the people!" He sits down.

[Eredion]

"Power to the people! The legitimacy of god has no place in modern times along with your archaic thinking."

[Not a Bang but a Whimper]

"Okay," says Marlowe. "So, anyway, I'll work the elections organizers, and we'll have voting booths across the nation by Sunday. Good day, all."

[Ikania]

"You can't just... you can't do that. The law was rejected, and now it's defunct, uh, dead. That would be illegitimate and you don't have the funds for it either."

[Not a Bang but a Whimper]

"You can't just... you can't do that. The law was rejected, and now it's defunct, uh, dead. That would be illegitimate and you don't have the funds for it either."

"Obviously the prick isn't going to give his 'assent.' No one expected him to. And we don't need him to, quite frankly. Funding's already been put aside since parliamentary elections are next week, so we very much can do it and we very much will do it. The only illegitimate government right now is one operating in the name of the disgraced King of Varland."

[Ikania]

"You can't just... you can't do that. The law was rejected, and now it's defunct, uh, dead. That would be illegitimate and you don't have the funds for it either."

"Obviously the prick isn't going to give his 'assent.' No one expected him to. And we don't need him to, quite frankly. Funding's already been put aside since parliamentary elections are next week, so we very much can do it and we very much will do it. The only illegitimate government right now is one operating in the name of the disgraced King of Varland."

"That's real... pretentious. The law says he can do it, and he, uh, well, he did it. Who do you honestly expect to show up for an illegitimate election held illegally? You'll be arrested when you try to set up a 'polling station'.

If we really want to debate this, we can put it to a... the vote, the thing, the uh... the referendum. Let the, the people! Let them vote on it! I mean, the legislature derives its mandate from the people, right? Out of something like a hundred, sixteen people showed up to give their opinion. That's not nearly enough to represent the will of a million people. This is, this is a real important issue you know, and you can't just abolish the most prestigious office in the nation like that. Who gave you the money to do that anyway?"

[Western Pacific Territories]

"Obviously the prick isn't going to give his 'assent.' No one expected him to. And we don't need him to, quite frankly. Funding's already been put aside since parliamentary elections are next week, so we very much can do it and we very much will do it. The only illegitimate government right now is one operating in the name of the disgraced King of Varland."

"That's real... pretentious. The law says he can do it, and he, uh, well, he did it. Who do you honestly expect to show up for an illegitimate election held illegally? You'll be arrested when you try to set up a 'polling station'.

If we really want to debate this, we can put it to a... the vote, the thing, the uh... the referendum. Let the, the people! Let them vote on it! I mean, the legislature derives its mandate from the people, right? Out of something like a hundred, sixteen people showed up to give their opinion. That's not nearly enough to represent the will of a million people. This is, this is a real important issue you know, and you can't just abolish the most prestigious office in the nation like that. Who gave you the money to do that anyway?"

"While you are right, about the fact that out of over 100 senators only 16 showed to vote, it's absolutely ridiculous that the king could just refuse a demand to remove him from power. The king should have had no ability to refuse assent over this bill. If the Folketing wanted the King gone, the King shouldn't have been able to decide if that bill got anywhere. And how do you know the King would leave with a referendum, how do you know that with a referendum he would leave if he refused to give assent to this bill after Parliament passed it? What's stopping the King from just ignoring the referendum and deploying military units to quell any signs of resistance?"

[Skyviolia]

(OOC: I've decided to come back. Due to the current situation.

IC:
Andre stands,
"If the King even dares to make a move, I will submit a plea to the United Nation to send troops and aid. I am in the works of authoring the plea as of right now.

[Eredion]

"The king is starting to lose his mind over the creeping loss of his power and now tries everything to cling to his power for as long as he can, against better knowing and against the people."

[Not a Bang but a Whimper]

"Obviously the prick isn't going to give his 'assent.' No one expected him to. And we don't need him to, quite frankly. Funding's already been put aside since parliamentary elections are next week, so we very much can do it and we very much will do it. The only illegitimate government right now is one operating in the name of the disgraced King of Varland."

"That's real... pretentious. The law says he can do it, and he, uh, well, he did it. Who do you honestly expect to show up for an illegitimate election held illegally? You'll be arrested when you try to set up a 'polling station'.

If we really want to debate this, we can put it to a... the vote, the thing, the uh... the referendum. Let the, the people! Let them vote on it! I mean, the legislature derives its mandate from the people, right? Out of something like a hundred, sixteen people showed up to give their opinion. That's not nearly enough to represent the will of a million people. This is, this is a real important issue you know, and you can't just abolish the most prestigious office in the nation like that. Who gave you the money to do that anyway?"

"Don't be absurd. For one, all 640 Members voted. Because that's the way it's always been. No one ever missed a vote. And we have 640 Members. Yes.

"Furthermore, you're clueless as to how elections work. The commission is already preparing elections the Folketing, as our term expires at the end of this week. Because the Folketing voted to depose of the illegitimate king, the commission will be putting presidential candidates on the ballot, and I will see to it."

[Ikania]

"That's real... pretentious. The law says he can do it, and he, uh, well, he did it. Who do you honestly expect to show up for an illegitimate election held illegally? You'll be arrested when you try to set up a 'polling station'.

If we really want to debate this, we can put it to a... the vote, the thing, the uh... the referendum. Let the, the people! Let them vote on it! I mean, the legislature derives its mandate from the people, right? Out of something like a hundred, sixteen people showed up to give their opinion. That's not nearly enough to represent the will of a million people. This is, this is a real important issue you know, and you can't just abolish the most prestigious office in the nation like that. Who gave you the money to do that anyway?"

"Don't be absurd. For one, all 640 Members voted. Because that's the way it's always been. No one ever missed a vote. And we have 640 Members. Yes.

"Furthermore, you're clueless as to how elections work. The commission is already preparing elections the Folketing, as our term expires at the end of this week. Because the Folketing voted to depose of the illegitimate king, the commission will be putting presidential candidates on the ballot, and I will see to it."

Trevr snaps, somewhat.

"You have no authority to do this under any codified law. We didn't vote to remove the King, one tenth of us voted to remove the King, and he is perfectly within his legal rights to reject the law. I am just as legitimate in declaring myself the Emperor of Dagmar. Take a seat and see common sense or you'll end up in a cell jail... cell... a jail cell!"

[Western Pacific Territories]

"Don't be absurd. For one, all 640 Members voted. Because that's the way it's always been. No one ever missed a vote. And we have 640 Members. Yes.

"Furthermore, you're clueless as to how elections work. The commission is already preparing elections the Folketing, as our term expires at the end of this week. Because the Folketing voted to depose of the illegitimate king, the commission will be putting presidential candidates on the ballot, and I will see to it."

Trevr snaps, somewhat.

"You have no authority to do this under any codified law. We didn't vote to remove the King, one tenth of us voted to remove the King, and he is perfectly within his legal rights to reject the law. I am just as legitimate in declaring myself the Emperor of Dagmar. Take a seat and see common sense or you'll end up in a cell jail... cell... a jail cell!"

"A king is no basis for a form of government! A king simply should not be able to reject a proposal to remove him from power, especially when the representatives of the people demand him to do so! This would not been a issue if more of our fellow senators had seen sense and not chose a system where we had a king who could simply refuse to leave his seat of power, even if ordered!"

[Ikania]

Trevr snaps, somewhat.

"You have no authority to do this under any codified law. We didn't vote to remove the King, one tenth of us voted to remove the King, and he is perfectly within his legal rights to reject the law. I am just as legitimate in declaring myself the Emperor of Dagmar. Take a seat and see common sense or you'll end up in a cell jail... cell... a jail cell!"

"A king is no basis for a form of government! A king simply should not be able to reject a proposal to remove him from power, especially when the representatives of the people demand him to do so! This would not been a issue if more of our fellow senators had seen sense and not chose a system where we had a king who could simply refuse to leave his seat of power, even if ordered!"

"Well, he can. That is the cut, the, uh, the end of story. The only thing that can change the status of the monarchy is the will of the people, so by God, let them vote on it."

[Western Pacific Territories]

"A king is no basis for a form of government! A king simply should not be able to reject a proposal to remove him from power, especially when the representatives of the people demand him to do so! This would not been a issue if more of our fellow senators had seen sense and not chose a system where we had a king who could simply refuse to leave his seat of power, even if ordered!"

"Well, he can. That is the cut, the, uh, the end of story. The only thing that can change the status of the monarchy is the will of the people, so by God, let them vote on it."

"If the king refused to give assent to a bill demanding him to relinquish power, what's stopping him from simply refusing to listen to the people?"

[Ikania]

"Well, he can. That is the cut, the, uh, the end of story. The only thing that can change the status of the monarchy is the will of the people, so by God, let them vote on it."

"If the king refused to give assent to a bill demanding him to relinquish power, what's stopping him from simply refusing to listen to the people?"

"We first have to look at the conditions. Probably the lowest turnout in the history of the legislature, where 10 legislators out of at least 100 were able to singlehandedly abolish the Monarchy. If I were his majesty I'd reject the bill too, would you not? The people are never wrong, so we must let them decide."

[Not a Bang but a Whimper]

"If the king refused to give assent to a bill demanding him to relinquish power, what's stopping him from simply refusing to listen to the people?"

"We first have to look at the conditions. Probably the lowest turnout in the history of the legislature, where 10 legislators out of at least 100 were able to singlehandedly abolish the Monarchy. If I were his majesty I'd reject the bill too, would you not? The people are never wrong, so we must let them decide."

"Once again, there were more than six hundred who voted. Just because you hadn't won your by-election yet doesn't give you the right to cry injustice."

Marlowe observes that we have never once pretended turnout was any less than the number of legislators we pretend we have.

[Skyviolia]

"Ladies and Gentleman, the god-awful king is in his right to oppose us, we should repeal his decision. I say that we include a clause into the Courts Establishment Act allowing for the highest Court to appeal the rulings of the king. When the document is established, we appeal the kings decision to the highest court. And BAM!"

[Western Pacific Territories]

"Ladies and Gentleman, the god-awful king is in his right to oppose us, we should repeal his decision. I say that we include a clause into the Courts Establishment Act allowing for the highest Court to appeal the rulings of the king. When the document is established, we appeal the kings decision to the highest court. And BAM!"

"You bloody fool, do you think the King just randomly gives assent to anything that doesn't have a big fat red sticker on the cover saying "This bill will threaten the monarchy."? He reads these bills you know!"

[Ikania]

"We first have to look at the conditions. Probably the lowest turnout in the history of the legislature, where 10 legislators out of at least 100 were able to singlehandedly abolish the Monarchy. If I were his majesty I'd reject the bill too, would you not? The people are never wrong, so we must let them decide."

"Once again, there were more than six hundred who voted. Just because you hadn't won your by-election yet doesn't give you the right to cry injustice."

Marlowe observes that we have never once pretended turnout was any less than the number of legislators we pretend we have.

"How crazy are you? Did the stand-in speaker not count just ten votes for the legislation?"

[Not a Bang but a Whimper]

"Once again, there were more than six hundred who voted. Just because you hadn't won your by-election yet doesn't give you the right to cry injustice."

Marlowe observes that we have never once pretended turnout was any less than the number of legislators we pretend we have.

"How crazy are you? Did the stand-in speaker not count just ten votes for the legislation?"

[Ikania]

"How crazy are you? Did the stand-in speaker not count just ten votes for the legislation?"

Oh, silly me, forgetting an aspect of the roleplay that was never specified, brought up or agreed upon. There were sixteen votes in total. End of story.