Quotes of People in Your Nation Mk. VI

[Bereia]

"In a civilized society, if the child wants a candy bar, his parents tell him no and he starts hollering and making a scene, he gets smacked and told to behave. Otherwise he starts to believe he can have anything he wants if he just screams enough. This is how new Progressives are made."

-- Julissa Hickman, Citizen.

[Dominated Earth]

"Cybernetics have changed the lives of many. Hopefully one day we'll be able to phase out the flaws in the human body totally with it's use"

- Doctor Alfred Manson, Cybernetics Scientist

[Ashkera]

"People, we should stop with this, continue this and we'll be forced to play SINGAPORE STRONK. FROM JAKARTA, TO KUALA LUMPUR-"
-Guy with accordion.

"Technically, it is not illegal to bet on the outcome of a PTFS-Andromeda war."
- government official, in clarifying statement

"Oh my gawds, what did the time war do to their flag?"
- citizen

^{"China is a giant which speaks softly, Mackonia is a dwarf who shouts loudly. Its not so much that the Macks are a particularly powerful or influential player in world affairs, merely that they have absolutely zero qualms about using what they do have to its maximum possible effect. They don't make threats or call embargos because they know it won't work...they send bombers and bags of anthrax. The word 'rogue state' got mighty tired after the Bush administration, but if there is one-its Mackonia. The country has openly withdraw from both the U.N and all its associated treaties, they manufacture stuff you'd only dream Saddam was cooking up in high school laboratories, they don't just finance terrorism-they commit it, Jo'burg, The Hague, Panama City, Mack filthy paws and claws all over them. There are camps-camps sir, wherein anybody who won't stoop as low as they in this rat-race they call a society is shipped off to and just killed. Well that's if you're lucky, some of the bastards get locked up and experimented upon because this is a land with diddly-squat laws on human experimentation...Regime change is a laughable fantasy here. Firstly half of Wall Street seem to have crap hidden in this hellhole, secondly the American people have never shown kindness at the ballots to those who send their sons to die in jungles for lost causes."}

-Extracts from a State Department report by U.S envoy Harry Dean.

"The first time the Mackonians pulled the terror thing by air-dropping a bag of anthrax in Ashkera, it's rumored that they got a very sternly-worded letter.
The second time, according to Mackonian government, they received a cryptographically-signed list of dictators and warlords that vanished or died under uncertain circumstances, accompanied by the statement 'Cut it the f*** out.'
The third time, a very important Mackonian was found dead in his office from a single gunshot wound to the head three days later. All of his staff were missing and have yet to resurface, with the exception of the janitor, who was found in a bar in Barcelona, unable to recall the last six months.
The fourth time, they threatened to release an engineered superplague that would wipe every Cyrzarii from the face of the Earth. This significantly delayed the next 'incident', seemingly while the Mackonians decided whether they thought the Oversight Council was bluffing.
After the fifth time, the Ashkerans just started assassinating anyone in Mackonia that might be interested in attacking Ashkera, starting by order of most likely to attack times ability to attack and working their way down the list. They sabotaged weapons factories and bioweapon laboratories, sunk 'compromised' ships, captured suspicious Mackonian tourists abroad, and so on. Curiously, they did not actually release a superplague.
By the sixth truly major attack, war had become inevitable. Ashkera, which had been carefully cultivating relations with the major democratic countries, and also carefully influencing their elections, formed a coalition intent on finally getting rid of Mackonia once and for all.

This, of course, was all rendered irrelevant by the sudden arrival of the Technocratic Federation of America, which poured through a portal that appeared over Manhattan and soon made war with every country in the world."
- professor of history, alternate reality where Mackonia and Ashkera occupy the same planet

"In a civilized society, if the child wants a candy bar, his parents tell him no and he starts hollering and making a scene, he gets smacked and told to behave. Otherwise he starts to believe he can have anything he wants if he just screams enough. This is how new Progressives are made."
-- Julissa Hickman, Citizen.

"Ah, right. No, ideas like 'bad parenting is how my political opponents are made!' is why we have actual scientists studying child development in this country instead of leaving the theory of how to raise a good child up to folk knowledge."
- bureaucrat eating lunch with some foreigners

[Bereia]

"I trust the collective wisdom of millions of parents across centuries far more than I do the word of a self-important academic who has never raised so much as a single child."

-- Iris Christie, Citizen & Marine Reservist.

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"If a child learns early in life that he gets what he wants if he screams and raises a fuss, he carries that lesson into adulthood. This is simple logic. By that same token, if he learns that he profits by virtuous behavior, by hard work and respect for his elders, that lesson also is carried into his adult life."

-- Julissa Hickman, Citizen.

[The Greater German Federal Republic]

"Vorwärts immer, rückwarts nimmer"
"Forward ever, backwards never"

Erich Honecker, chairman of the KPD(Communist Party of Germany)

[Ashkera]

"I trust the collective wisdom of millions of parents across centuries far more than I do the word of a self-important academic who has never raised so much as a single child."

-- Iris Christie, Citizen & Marine Reservist.

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"If a child learns early in life that he gets what he wants if he screams and raises a fuss, he carries that lesson into adulthood. This is simple logic. By that same token, if he learns that he profits by virtuous behavior, by hard work and respect for his elders, that lesson also is carried into his adult life."

-- Julissa Hickman, Citizen.

"There is a peculiar phenomenon where Bereians think Ashkerans support poor parenting simply because Ashkerans don't associate parenting styles with what political party someone joins when they grow up. I work hard, I respect my parents, and I still joined the A.P.P. while my mother continues to donate to SofT."
- professor

"Sometimes traditions are there for a good reason. Other times, they aren't. You can't know the difference between the two until you actually go out and measure the results. On the one hand, a lot of the traditional diet of our ancestors was a lot better for us, even fifty years ago, than the fast food chains springing up in our neighborhoods these days. On the other hand, female genital mutilation is also a tradition with many, many years of practice."
- student

[Greater Mackonia]

If it were an even remotely faithful godmod of Mackonia there would've been total war at three.

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"Hmm, child wanting toys he cannot have and imagining rights which do not exist to be 'natural' or even 'God-given' in appalling infant self-reighteousness...Sounds familiar."

-Zilkas Soekthar-Mesok.

[The Yorkshire Commonwealth]

"In a civilized society, if the child wants a candy bar, his parents tell him no and he starts hollering and making a scene, he gets smacked and told to behave. Otherwise he starts to believe he can have anything he wants if he just screams enough. This is how new Progressives are made."
-- Julissa Hickman, Citizen.

"Ah, right. No, ideas like 'bad parenting is how my political opponents are made!' is why we have actual scientists studying child development in this country instead of leaving the theory of how to raise a good child up to folk knowledge."
- bureaucrat eating lunch with some foreigners

"Do not question the wisdom of Julissia Hickman... I'm not saying he's often right, I'm just saying: Don't question it. He'll throw a paddy... He doesn't like it when people have different opinions to him.
I'll have you know that Julissia has spent his entire adult life traveling the world and studying parenting habits, and has, through meticulous research established as scientific, evidence-based and peer-supported fact that most of the world's current stock of what he arbitrarily calls 'progressives' (frankly the definition of this word seems to be unique to the mind of Julissia, and as any thought bouncing around in that head, incredibly inconsistent, but can be broadly defined as: Anyone who's care for the fate of their fellow human is not so thoroughly overwhelmed by a paranoia towards government that is so extreme that in their minds legal limits on lead in childrens' toys is considered akin to the gulag, or anyone who thinks there should be a limit on what or who you can buy if you have enough money) have been raised in an anti-disciplinarian Eric Cartman/Young Ned Flanders manner. And that by contrast the world's conservatives, such as egotistic, loud-mouthed, fortune-inheriting, serial adulterers and tax evaders Newt Gingrich, Boris Johnson and Donald Trump were taught meticulously in the value of hard work and delayed and earned, long-term gratification....

... Either that or Julissia's full of shit, and is projecting without evidence, every esoteric, unrelated negative trait he can think of onto a bizarre, imaginary subset of society he can blame for all of life's problems...

... Or on an even sadder note he was beaten as a kid and is trying to turn his troubled childhood into some sort of moral superiority to hold over children with loving or competent parents."

-Toots Macintosh

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"If a child learns early in life that he gets what he wants if he screams and raises a fuss, he carries that lesson into adulthood. This is simple logic. By that same token, if he learns that he profits by virtuous behavior, by hard work and respect for his elders, that lesson also is carried into his adult life."

-- Julissa Hickman, Citizen.

"Compare to me the lives and careers of Donald Trump and an NHS nurse... Which of these two childhood experiences fits which outcome, would you say?"

-Satirist Ezekiel Thrombosis

[Bereia]

"Government-funded teaching institutes will naturally be inclined to pro-government positions and ideas. Thus while it is possible for such to exist in society, their hold can never be exclusive."

-- Julissa Hickman, Citizen.

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"To spank a child is not abuse, as long as it is done properly. It is a way of getting the child's attention to let them know that a given behavior, throwing food for example, is unacceptable and will bring nothing but discomfort if it continues."

-- Iris Christie, Citizen & Marine Reservist.

[Ashkera]

If it were an even remotely faithful godmod of Mackonia there would've been total war at three.

Fair enough. I figured there would be similar stunts going the opposite direction in one of those "escalating reprisals lead to war" scenarios, I just didn't mention them. Ashkera is more risk averse.

The winner, of course, was deliberately not specified.

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"I wanted to see how the Bereians would react to Transhumanism, so I went looking for future Bereias."
"And what did you find?"
"Nothing. Not even Bereias that were conquered or planets that were destroyed or anything. It's like they're not in the phone book or something."
"Interesting. Log it."
- two unknowns

"I wonder, would multiple Mackonias cooperate, like Ashkeras, or fight, like PTFSs?"
"Five ashkeros says they fight."
"Oh yeah? Well five ashkeros says they don't."
- recording from rift transport facility

[Greater Mackonia]

@Ashkera: That scenario also has been canonically established in this very thread a long way back before all these multiversal empires arrived on the scene. Indeed its the reason why the previous scenario could not take place.

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"Fear not the man who thinks he has right on his side. Fear he who thinks all others are wrong."

-The Emperor Methulai VII.

[Bereia]

"The purpose of the law is to protect the dignity and liberty of the individual, before anything else."

-- Associate Justice Francis Baker, U.S. Supreme Court.

[Dominated Earth]

"Remember that time that naked guy broke into Temple Prime and stole all the peanut butter?"

"That happened?"

"No it didn't. Which goes to show you how secure the government center of Earth is"

- An older security guard to a newbie security guard at Temple Prime

[Surawi]

"People, we should stop with this, continue this and we'll be forced to play SINGAPORE STRONK. FROM JAKARTA, TO KUALA LUMPUR-"
-Guy with accordion.

Alamak.

―some forum goer

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Psychological and neurological evidence first, whiny bitching of the 'family values preacher' later.

―E. Hj. Dr. Abdulbasir Sanghali Osmalial, hardliner empiricist and bundle theorist

[Allancia]

"Any ideology, philosophy or organization that wishes to alienate the labor and the fruits of labor from people is worthy of both disgust and contempt. Man works for and deserves his bread and butter, and it is not my place nor your place to take that bread and butter from him because someone else refused to work for it."

-Neumond Wernicke
Reichskaiser
To a committee designed to regulate the Five Year Economic Plans

[Las Palmeras]

"We missed out an more hypothetical inter-dimensional occurrences in East Asia...that other place we look at in paranoia. Not that much happens in this timeline. China and India briefly enter a shooting war which results in a quicker-than-expected stalemate. South-East on a whole progress but not as much as expected, they're still weary of that eternal giant China whose hyped growth eventually got to uneventful levels. Japan the Hikikomori had problems accepting immigrants in the millions fully and it's aging crisis hit critical points by the 2100s, coupled with the new-found and obviously multiethnic drama as opposed to the 'homogeneous' drama before it.

I forget the future. Hold on...I think the robots and immigrants explain the Butlerian Jihad and the acceptance of Zensunni."
-No Name

[True Refuge]

Why the f*** do I only need to press a button to obliterate everything?

Hossin Wilson, 2026, inside the Libertarian Freedomists Command Center.

Yesterday, I stood in this country as an ordinary woman. Yesterday, our country was in the First Depression. Yesterday, Hossin Wilson founded our country by pressing a button. Yesterday, the Terran Republic ruled this land with an iron fist. Today, I stand as your Prime Minister, the second most powerful person in the True Refugean Stellar Empire, with massive power for the next four years. Today is a great day, for today I promise the citizens of the Empire better lives. I promise them an era of exploration, of expansion, of social reform, of welfare. Today... I stand here with power, and I shall make this country truly an Empire. Tomorrow may hold our first meeting of extra-terrestrial life, of interstellar travel. Tomorrow, the Refugean Empire may cover all of Earthan. I will get this country to tomorrow.

Prime Minister Jennifer Paulson on the day after the elections of 2082, excerpt from her revolutionary acceptance speech known as Yesterday, Today and Tomorrow.

[Balist]

I am now death,I can destroy a planet with this button
- officer Jackson after a planet was blown up during a test for a wepon

[Las Palmeras]

"Eh, in reality a child learns nothing from the stick except how to avoid it, and there are more ways to do so than just giving in. Because people are supposedly better there's supposed to be some thing to learn between the crude stimuli but that would require an actual creation of morality that isn't solely a response to cause-and-consequence and resulting restraint in social situations. Impossible. At the core a person is an animal turned into a person when interacting with other people and learning how to do it; Applied Behavior Analysis.

You said folk knowledge in a complex way...sort of? Was the creator of this some self-important childless academic?

No, he was a self-important academic who used his baby daughter as a test subject. But what does that matter?! All academics are part of the liberal elite that creates dependency in the general populace. Never-mind the different approaches and bases, and at the core the different philosophical interpretations...as much as I dislike using that word.

Have you been training Magda to arrange her toys?"
-José and Tsuneko Zorilla, 2017

[Estainia]

The fuck I am mate...

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"The red and white and gold theme you all have going is interesting I have to admit. I was honestly expecting tyrian purple." - Cornelius A. Maximilian, examining the robes of a Priest of Godfrey

[New Frenco Empire]

"In a civilized society, if the child wants a candy bar, his parents tell him no and he starts hollering and making a scene, he gets smacked and told to behave. Otherwise he starts to believe he can have anything he wants if he just screams enough. This is how new Progressives are made."

-- Julissa Hickman, Citizen.

"Calling anything you don't agree with uncivilized? Check. Denying some kind of basic scientific knowledge in favor of tradition? Check. Use of an entirely fabricated situation to lend credibility to your argument? Check. Rounding it all up with some kind of ludicrous anti-Progressive conspiracy theory? Checkarooni. This formula must be getting old, even for you Julissa."

-Ygritte Kline

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"Good to know Serbia hasn't changed..."

-A Foreign Relations Officer, on the recent surfacing of 144p propaganda musicals

[Confederation of Common Sense]

"If I really wanted to hit something, I'd rip Hickman's heart out and smile as the life drains from her soul instead of abusing a child... not that I'm a psychopath or anything."
- Kent Miller, Psycho Vegan

"....What...The...Fuck..."
- Every other Common Sensean in response

[The Andromeda Confederation]

"They don't make shitty Balkan music to glorify the HEAV-E!

But perhaps looking to their north shall give us a much more glorious tune!

*breathes in*

HEAV-E Crews, Vox gave the order!

Gunners our great voice calls us!

Of the many thousands of stars Burning their last atom,

for our Confederation- Fire! Fire!"

-The Choir of the Scarlett Army

[Allancia]

The fuck I am mate...

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"The red and white and gold theme you all have going is interesting I have to admit. I was honestly expecting tyrian purple." - Cornelius A. Maximilian, examining the robes of a Priest of Godfrey

OOC:

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"Listen here you little shit. Our army is only 20 million-something strong, and deploying any more than 7 million in any given time is a complete pain in the ass. But God fucking help me, if you taunt our allies or torment us, we will bring hydrogen bombs by the thousands down on your ass."

-Unknown diplomat to an antagonistic state in the F7 membrane

[Nouvelle Beusuandille]

I object to the idea that all academicians are leftist fools as an academician that isn't a leftist fool.

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"Oh it's wonderful, it'll be just like the story of Prince Mars and Cecilia, uniting the kingdoms!" - Morgan, Prince of Aurelia, announcing his engagement to the Princess of Caedia, Beusuan Legend and Fairy Tale