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Postby Nixon-Now » Thu Jan 22, 2015 6:50 pm

Estva wrote:
Nixon-Now wrote:"Those persecuted under a system that has maintained proper order for many many years?"

"Quite the contrarian, aren't you Senator."

"I support what works in many countries in the region that have remained stable in spite of regional instability, which have been the absolute or near-absolute monarchies in the arab world".

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Postby Estva » Thu Jan 22, 2015 6:58 pm

Nixon-Now wrote:
Estva wrote:"Quite the contrarian, aren't you Senator."

"I support what works in many countries in the region that have remained stable in spite of regional instability, which have been the absolute or near-absolute monarchies in the arab world".

"And yet Turkey, known for its democracy, as well as Kurdistan, also democratic, have remained stable. Israel, despite the perceived harm inflicted in the Palestinians, also treats its citizens well whilst being democratic. No nation requires such fundamentalism and authoritarianism, and even should it work there exists no reason we should glorify it."
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Postby Nixon-Now » Thu Jan 22, 2015 7:02 pm

Estva wrote:
Nixon-Now wrote:"I support what works in many countries in the region that have remained stable in spite of regional instability, which have been the absolute or near-absolute monarchies in the arab world".

"And yet Turkey, known for its democracy, as well as Kurdistan, also democratic, have remained stable. Israel, despite the perceived harm inflicted in the Palestinians, also treats its citizens well whilst being democratic. No nation requires such fundamentalism and authoritarianism, and even should it work there exists no reason we should glorify it."

"Turkey has a very different culture and history from those of the Saudis and Moroccans, and has seen its share of great instability in its past. Israel also has a different cultural background from both of these monarchies. Kurdistan is nowhere near being stable and is currently at war with all of its neighbors."

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Postby Great Nepal » Thu Jan 22, 2015 7:04 pm

Nixon-Now wrote:
Estva wrote:"Quite the contrarian, aren't you Senator."

"I support what works in many countries in the region that have remained stable in spite of regional instability, which have been the absolute or near-absolute monarchies in the arab world".

"I suppose the honourable gentleman supported the military junta that oppressed Calaverde people not too long ago?"
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Postby Nixon-Now » Thu Jan 22, 2015 7:06 pm

Great Nepal wrote:
Nixon-Now wrote:"I support what works in many countries in the region that have remained stable in spite of regional instability, which have been the absolute or near-absolute monarchies in the arab world".

"I suppose the honourable gentleman supported the military junta that oppressed Calaverde people not too long ago?"

"It's better than this government which has allowed suffering to persist over petty disputes! A government that takes action is better than one that remains idle."

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Postby Estva » Thu Jan 22, 2015 7:07 pm

Nixon-Now wrote:
Estva wrote:"And yet Turkey, known for its democracy, as well as Kurdistan, also democratic, have remained stable. Israel, despite the perceived harm inflicted in the Palestinians, also treats its citizens well whilst being democratic. No nation requires such fundamentalism and authoritarianism, and even should it work there exists no reason we should glorify it."

"Turkey has a very different culture and history from those of the Saudis and Moroccans, and has seen its share of great instability in its past. Israel also has a different cultural background from both of these monarchies. Kurdistan is nowhere near being stable and is currently at war with all of its neighbors."

"Turkey is the descendent of the Ottoman Empire, which had lengthy, considerable control over Arabia and the Middle East whilst possessing a good deal of authoritarianism. Arabia's inability to modernize for the benefits of its citizens should not be celebrated, it should be derided. Israel's "cultural difference" matters not, as its neighboring dictatorships ensures these regimes have no excuse for their actions when a solution is so clear. Kurdistan is only "unstable" because of ISIS, before the insurrection the land had UK levels of wealth and was one, if not the most stable region in the area. Turkey, while hostile, is not at war and neither is Iraq or Iran. Only ISIS is "at war" with the Kurds.
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Postby Beta Test » Thu Jan 22, 2015 7:08 pm

"ORDER!

The National Judiciary Act is now at the top of the queue, that will be the topic of the moment's debate, not Middle Eastern politics thank you!"
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Postby Nixon-Now » Thu Jan 22, 2015 7:11 pm

Beta Test wrote:"ORDER!

The National Judiciary Act is now at the top of the queue, that will be the topic of the moment's debate, not Middle Eastern politics thank you!"

"HAMMER TIME"
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Postby Beta Test » Thu Jan 22, 2015 7:15 pm

Nixon-Now wrote:
Beta Test wrote:"ORDER!

The National Judiciary Act is now at the top of the queue, that will be the topic of the moment's debate, not Middle Eastern politics thank you!"

"HAMMER TIME"

"ORDER!"
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Postby Beta Test » Thu Jan 22, 2015 7:17 pm

Nixon-Now wrote:
Beta Test wrote:"ORDER!"

*low* "Can't touch this"

"Senator. Come to order, thank you."
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Postby Great Nepal » Thu Jan 22, 2015 7:33 pm

I will be voting against the bill in its current form due to the OOC notes on composition of appellate and supreme court specifically "[OOC: 5 admins, head admin = chief justice]" and "[OOC: 3 admins, one of them = head of panel]" respectively. The judges should either be appointed by president, elected by people or mixture of these - allowing admins to be appellate court judges and then for same admins to sit in supreme courts judging the same decision is absurd.
Further if admins are rping as police leads then they preside over decisions they made while executing police decisions. Judges should be appointed in IC manner not permanently consisting exclusively and permanently of an OOC group.
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Postby New Godsdom » Thu Jan 22, 2015 8:21 pm

Beta Test wrote:"ORDER!

The National Judiciary Act is now at the top of the queue, that will be the topic of the moment's debate, not Middle Eastern politics thank you!"

May I have a link to the bill?
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Postby Beta Test » Thu Jan 22, 2015 8:24 pm

New Godsdom wrote:
Beta Test wrote:"ORDER!

The National Judiciary Act is now at the top of the queue, that will be the topic of the moment's debate, not Middle Eastern politics thank you!"

May I have a link to the bill?

viewtopic.php?f=25&t=325513&p=23214316&hilit=Judiciary#p23214316
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Postby NSG Senate Administrators » Fri Jan 23, 2015 1:36 am

Second Round of the Presidential Election has begun: viewtopic.php?f=25&t=328168

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Postby Lykens » Fri Jan 23, 2015 8:27 pm

I would like to submit this to the Queue.


Second Amendment to the Government Establishment Act

Author: Encarnacion Diaz (LDP), David Vera Cruz (CWA)
Sponsors: Salvador O'Hara (LDP), Drago Dragomere (CP), Sebastián Luc Morales (DL), Cristobal Marcelino Aroulla (LDP), Geneviève Duflot (LDP), Eugenia Malgrave (DL), Great Nepal (LDP), Tony Blair, Nicolás Leguizamón (PT), Eduardo Bustamante (LDP)
An act to enhance the safety of members of parliament.

Section 1: Definitions
Weapon- Any object that has been designed with the possible aim of causing harm to individuals or that the parliament police have reason to suspect is being carried for the purpose of being used as a weapon.

Section 2: Ban on weapons
a. Weapons are hereby banned within the Parliamentary Building, or any government office, and must be surrendered upon entrance to designated capitol police.
b. Only designated capitol police may bear weapons within the Parliamentary Building.
c. Persons found violating this amendment may be detained, and arrested for unlawful possession of a weapon within parliamentary grounds, without possibility of bail, pending a criminal trial.


And also move to vote on this amendment with the National Judiciary Act.
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Postby Maklohi Vai » Fri Jan 23, 2015 8:48 pm

Lykens wrote:I would like to submit this to the Queue.


Second Amendment to the Government Establishment Act

Author: Encarnacion Diaz (LDP), David Vera Cruz (CWA)
Sponsors: Salvador O'Hara (LDP), Drago Dragomere (CP), Sebastián Luc Morales (DL), Cristobal Marcelino Aroulla (LDP), Geneviève Duflot (LDP), Eugenia Malgrave (DL), Great Nepal (LDP), Tony Blair, Nicolás Leguizamón (PT), Eduardo Bustamante (LDP)
An act to enhance the safety of members of parliament.

Section 1: Definitions
Weapon- Any object that has been designed with the possible aim of causing harm to individuals or that the parliament police have reason to suspect is being carried for the purpose of being used as a weapon.

Section 2: Ban on weapons
a. Weapons are hereby banned within the Parliamentary Building, or any government office, and must be surrendered upon entrance to designated capitol police.
b. Only designated capitol police may bear weapons within the Parliamentary Building.
c. Persons found violating this amendment may be detained, and arrested for unlawful possession of a weapon within parliamentary grounds, without possibility of bail, pending a criminal trial.


And also move to vote on this amendment with the National Judiciary Act.

I second the motion.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Fri Jan 23, 2015 8:50 pm

Lykens wrote:I would like to submit this to the Queue.


Second Amendment to the Government Establishment Act

Author: Encarnacion Diaz (LDP), David Vera Cruz (CWA)
Sponsors: Salvador O'Hara (LDP), Drago Dragomere (CP), Sebastián Luc Morales (DL), Cristobal Marcelino Aroulla (LDP), Geneviève Duflot (LDP), Eugenia Malgrave (DL), Great Nepal (LDP), Tony Blair, Nicolás Leguizamón (PT), Eduardo Bustamante (LDP)
An act to enhance the safety of members of parliament.

Section 1: Definitions
Weapon- Any object that has been designed with the possible aim of causing harm to individuals or that the parliament police have reason to suspect is being carried for the purpose of being used as a weapon.

Section 2: Ban on weapons
a. Weapons are hereby banned within the Parliamentary Building, or any government office, and must be surrendered upon entrance to designated capitol police.
b. Only designated capitol police may bear weapons within the Parliamentary Building.
c. Persons found violating this amendment may be detained, and arrested for unlawful possession of a weapon within parliamentary grounds, without possibility of bail, pending a criminal trial.


And also move to vote on this amendment with the National Judiciary Act.


Urm yeah I only just noticed. We don't have a capitol building or capitol police anything right now so using that word would refer to the American capitol police not our parliament police. Furthermore the parliament building is separate to the other government buildings and as we don't have a capitol police. So this needs to be reworked.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Fri Jan 23, 2015 8:51 pm

Oh yeah, I motion that it's not until the issue above is resolved.
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Postby Lykens » Fri Jan 23, 2015 9:07 pm


Second Amendment to the Government Establishment Act

Author: Encarnacion Diaz (LDP), David Vera Cruz (CWA)
Sponsors: Salvador O'Hara (LDP), Drago Dragomere (CP), Sebastián Luc Morales (DL), Cristobal Marcelino Aroulla (LDP), Geneviève Duflot (LDP), Eugenia Malgrave (DL), Great Nepal (LDP), Tony Blair, Nicolás Leguizamón (PT), Eduardo Bustamante (LDP)
An act to enhance the safety of members of parliament.

Section 1: Definitions
Weapon- Any object that has been designed with the possible aim of causing harm to individuals or that the parliament police have reason to suspect is being carried for the purpose of being used as a weapon.
Capitol Police- Any member of the detachment of police assigned to guard the Parliamentary Building and capital city of San Cristobal.

Section 2: Ban on weapons
a. Weapons are hereby banned within the Parliamentary Building, or any government office, and must be surrendered upon entrance to designated capitol police.
b. Only designated capitol police may bear weapons within the Parliamentary Building.
c. Persons found violating this amendment may be detained, and arrested for unlawful possession of a weapon within parliamentary grounds, without possibility of bail, pending a criminal trial.


The bill has been amended, so that we can appease Nihil.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Fri Jan 23, 2015 9:13 pm

Lykens wrote:

Second Amendment to the Government Establishment Act

Author: Encarnacion Diaz (LDP), David Vera Cruz (CWA)
Sponsors: Salvador O'Hara (LDP), Drago Dragomere (CP), Sebastián Luc Morales (DL), Cristobal Marcelino Aroulla (LDP), Geneviève Duflot (LDP), Eugenia Malgrave (DL), Great Nepal (LDP), Tony Blair, Nicolás Leguizamón (PT), Eduardo Bustamante (LDP)
An act to enhance the safety of members of parliament.

Section 1: Definitions
Weapon- Any object that has been designed with the possible aim of causing harm to individuals or that the parliament police have reason to suspect is being carried for the purpose of being used as a weapon.


Section 2: Ban on weapons
a. Weapons are hereby banned within the Parliamentary Building, or any government office, and must be surrendered upon entrance to Law enforcement officers present.
b. Only Law enforcement officers may bear weapons within the Parliamentary Building.
c. Persons found violating this amendment may be detained, and arrested for unlawful possession of a weapon within parliamentary grounds, without possibility of bail, pending a criminal trial.


The bill has been amended, so that we can appease Nihil.


Edited to fit in all police or law enforcement that exists now or could be created in the future. This is what it should be amended to.
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Maklohi Vai
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Postby Maklohi Vai » Fri Jan 23, 2015 9:23 pm

The Nihilistic view wrote:
Lykens wrote:

Second Amendment to the Government Establishment Act

Author: Encarnacion Diaz (LDP), David Vera Cruz (CWA)
Sponsors: Salvador O'Hara (LDP), Drago Dragomere (CP), Sebastián Luc Morales (DL), Cristobal Marcelino Aroulla (LDP), Geneviève Duflot (LDP), Eugenia Malgrave (DL), Great Nepal (LDP), Tony Blair, Nicolás Leguizamón (PT), Eduardo Bustamante (LDP)
An act to enhance the safety of members of parliament.

Section 1: Definitions
Weapon- Any object that has been designed with the possible aim of causing harm to individuals or that the parliament police have reason to suspect is being carried for the purpose of being used as a weapon.


Section 2: Ban on weapons
a. Weapons are hereby banned within the Parliamentary Building, or any government office, and must be surrendered upon entrance to Law enforcement officers present.
b. Only Law enforcement officers may bear weapons within the Parliamentary Building.
c. Persons found violating this amendment may be detained, and arrested for unlawful possession of a weapon within parliamentary grounds, without possibility of bail, pending a criminal trial.


The bill has been amended, so that we can appease Nihil.


Edited to fit in all police or law enforcement that exists now or could be created in the future. This is what it should be amended to.

I would contest that "designated" should still be in there; some may have clearance and some may not.
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Demonym: Vaian
-Kamanakai Oa'a Pani, first president of Maklohi Vai
-6.13/-8.51 - as of 7/18
Hosted: MVBT 1; WBC 27; Friendly Cups 7, 9; (co-) NSCAA 5
Former President, WBC; WBC Councillor
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Abraham Kamassi, Chair, Labour Party of Elizia
President of Calaverde Eduardo Bustamante; Leader, LDP
President of Baltonia Dovydas Kanarigis; Leader, LDP
President of Aurentina Wulukuno Porunalakai; Leader, Progress Coa.

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Lykens
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Postby Lykens » Fri Jan 23, 2015 9:24 pm

Maklohi Vai wrote:
The Nihilistic view wrote:
Edited to fit in all police or law enforcement that exists now or could be created in the future. This is what it should be amended to.

I would contest that "designated" should still be in there; some may have clearance and some may not.

We're debating it on the IRC if you'd like to join us.
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