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Postby Soviet Canuckistan » Wed Jan 21, 2015 10:17 am

New Bierstaat wrote:
The Nihilistic view wrote:"That is a very excellent point the honourable gentleman makes. Because considering the nations that most of these drugs in general come from what we could well be doing is fulling an illicit trade in narcotics and the gangs that control them in those countries unless at a bare minimum we criminalise the import and use of imported drugs."

"And spend a fair amount of time and other resources enforcing that law," said the senator representing greater Weselton, Jose Dalí.

"This will not be cheap," added the young actuary-turned-statesman.

"It'll probably be cheaper than the human cost of such conflicts and drug effects."
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Postby Arkolon » Wed Jan 21, 2015 10:18 am

"How anyone can oppose the regulation of potentially-harmful substances is beyond me. If cigarettes or alcohol were to be banned, production would go underground, quality would deteriorate, prices would spike, and our government would not be able to control any of it. What legalising marijuana does is take this principle backwards: marijuana cultivation is underground (just as it is widespread), a lot of it is "cut" with harmful "fillers", the prices are so high that users break open savings to get hits, in effect increasing poverty, and the government has no say in how the drug is regulated, controlled, taxed, spent, or sold. Legalising it and letting in production into the regulated "white market" will reverse these problems and safen the use and retail of marijuana. Keeping it illegal is a needless penalty for Calaverde, owing to more crime, more poverty, and higher death rates. It makes no sense to oppose the legalisation of marijuana, which is anyway much safer and impossible to be physically addicted to, much less than tobacco or alcohol."
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Postby Macedonian Grand Empire » Wed Jan 21, 2015 11:57 am

Arkolon wrote:"How anyone can oppose the regulation of potentially-harmful substances is beyond me. If cigarettes or alcohol were to be banned, production would go underground, quality would deteriorate, prices would spike, and our government would not be able to control any of it. What legalising marijuana does is take this principle backwards: marijuana cultivation is underground (just as it is widespread), a lot of it is "cut" with harmful "fillers", the prices are so high that users break open savings to get hits, in effect increasing poverty, and the government has no say in how the drug is regulated, controlled, taxed, spent, or sold. Legalising it and letting in production into the regulated "white market" will reverse these problems and safen the use and retail of marijuana. Keeping it illegal is a needless penalty for Calaverde, owing to more crime, more poverty, and higher death rates. It makes no sense to oppose the legalisation of marijuana, which is anyway much safer and impossible to be physically addicted to, much less than tobacco or alcohol."

"I do not see a thing about regulation. I only see legalization of the drug. In other words the cartels can sell their junk and you can not do a thing to prevent it."
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Postby Belmaria » Wed Jan 21, 2015 12:15 pm

Macedonian Grand Empire wrote:
Arkolon wrote:"How anyone can oppose the regulation of potentially-harmful substances is beyond me. If cigarettes or alcohol were to be banned, production would go underground, quality would deteriorate, prices would spike, and our government would not be able to control any of it. What legalising marijuana does is take this principle backwards: marijuana cultivation is underground (just as it is widespread), a lot of it is "cut" with harmful "fillers", the prices are so high that users break open savings to get hits, in effect increasing poverty, and the government has no say in how the drug is regulated, controlled, taxed, spent, or sold. Legalising it and letting in production into the regulated "white market" will reverse these problems and safen the use and retail of marijuana. Keeping it illegal is a needless penalty for Calaverde, owing to more crime, more poverty, and higher death rates. It makes no sense to oppose the legalisation of marijuana, which is anyway much safer and impossible to be physically addicted to, much less than tobacco or alcohol."

"I do not see a thing about regulation. I only see legalization of the drug. In other words the cartels can sell their junk and you can not do a thing to prevent it."

"Then you've read the bill incorrectly, Senator, and I encourage you to read it again. This bill legalizes various substances, and provides the opportunity for the government to regulate said substances at a later date. So, if the Senator is so concerned about regulating these substances, perhaps he should get up off his bum and draft a bill for that purpose, instead of just whining about it."
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Postby Arkolon » Wed Jan 21, 2015 12:18 pm

Macedonian Grand Empire wrote:
Arkolon wrote:"How anyone can oppose the regulation of potentially-harmful substances is beyond me. If cigarettes or alcohol were to be banned, production would go underground, quality would deteriorate, prices would spike, and our government would not be able to control any of it. What legalising marijuana does is take this principle backwards: marijuana cultivation is underground (just as it is widespread), a lot of it is "cut" with harmful "fillers", the prices are so high that users break open savings to get hits, in effect increasing poverty, and the government has no say in how the drug is regulated, controlled, taxed, spent, or sold. Legalising it and letting in production into the regulated "white market" will reverse these problems and safen the use and retail of marijuana. Keeping it illegal is a needless penalty for Calaverde, owing to more crime, more poverty, and higher death rates. It makes no sense to oppose the legalisation of marijuana, which is anyway much safer and impossible to be physically addicted to, much less than tobacco or alcohol."

"I do not see a thing about regulation. I only see legalization of the drug. In other words the cartels can sell their junk and you can not do a thing to prevent it."

"Yes you can. It would be taxed with a sales tax, regulated with basic Health & Safety guidelines, and recorded in the white market when legalised. And, may I ask, what do you think happens now, if not cartels selling their junk without the government being able to do anything about it?"
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Postby New Bierstaat » Wed Jan 21, 2015 2:33 pm

Belmaria wrote:
Macedonian Grand Empire wrote:"I do not see a thing about regulation. I only see legalization of the drug. In other words the cartels can sell their junk and you can not do a thing to prevent it."

"Then you've read the bill incorrectly, Senator, and I encourage you to read it again. This bill legalizes various substances, and provides the opportunity for the government to regulate said substances at a later date. So, if the Senator is so concerned about regulating these substances, perhaps he should get up off his bum and draft a bill for that purpose, instead of just whining about it."

"Senator Allen, I believe the bill would attract more support, including my own, if the provisions for such regulation were included in this bill itself. Many are concerned about a possible period when these drugs could be completely legal and unregulated, and simply stating that there could possibly be regulation at a later date isn't going to be enough to address those concerns. Can we possibly amend the bill to include some regulations on the use and distribution of the drugs?" said Sen. Dalí from his chair.
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Postby Nixon-Now » Wed Jan 21, 2015 3:03 pm

"Why are we going to allow our nation to further degrade ourselves from the line of purity and moderation as dictated by our lord and savior? We are permitting children! Children who are just going to be entering our world to start using these addictive substances, which will permanently damage their mind! Legalizing these substances only normalizes harmful behavior and gives credence to the criminal activities of the cartels that dominate our country's black market and our region's criminal sphere! We must oppose these substances, not bow to their influence!"

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Postby Belmaria » Wed Jan 21, 2015 3:03 pm

New Bierstaat wrote:
Belmaria wrote:"Then you've read the bill incorrectly, Senator, and I encourage you to read it again. This bill legalizes various substances, and provides the opportunity for the government to regulate said substances at a later date. So, if the Senator is so concerned about regulating these substances, perhaps he should get up off his bum and draft a bill for that purpose, instead of just whining about it."

"Senator Allen, I believe the bill would attract more support, including my own, if the provisions for such regulation were included in this bill itself. Many are concerned about a possible period when these drugs could be completely legal and unregulated, and simply stating that there could possibly be regulation at a later date isn't going to be enough to address those concerns. Can we possibly amend the bill to include some regulations on the use and distribution of the drugs?" said Sen. Dalí from his chair.

"I don't believe that the standing rules of this chamber allow a bill to be amended once it comes to the floor, Senator."
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Postby Beta Test » Wed Jan 21, 2015 3:10 pm

Belmaria wrote:
New Bierstaat wrote:"Senator Allen, I believe the bill would attract more support, including my own, if the provisions for such regulation were included in this bill itself. Many are concerned about a possible period when these drugs could be completely legal and unregulated, and simply stating that there could possibly be regulation at a later date isn't going to be enough to address those concerns. Can we possibly amend the bill to include some regulations on the use and distribution of the drugs?" said Sen. Dalí from his chair.

"I don't believe that the standing rules of this chamber allow a bill to be amended once it comes to the floor, Senator."

"Actually Senator you are allowed to amend the bill up to the time voting begins." Chimed in Salvador from the Speaker's chair
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Postby Belmaria » Wed Jan 21, 2015 3:13 pm

Beta Test wrote:
Belmaria wrote:"I don't believe that the standing rules of this chamber allow a bill to be amended once it comes to the floor, Senator."

"Actually Senator you are allowed to amend the bill up to the time voting begins." Chimed in Salvador from the Speaker's chair

"Ah ha! Right, then let's hope we can get in an amendment before the voting begins. If those who have been clamoring about the lack of regulations in this bill would like to help contribute, their contributions would be greatly appreciated."
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Postby Ainin » Thu Jan 22, 2015 3:06 am

I motion the National Judiciary Act to the top of the queue.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Thu Jan 22, 2015 3:09 am

Ainin wrote:I motion the National Judiciary Act to the top of the queue.


"I second"
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Postby Great Nepal » Thu Jan 22, 2015 3:23 am

The Nihilistic view wrote:
Ainin wrote:I motion the National Judiciary Act to the top of the queue.


"I second"

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Postby Macedonian Grand Empire » Thu Jan 22, 2015 3:26 am

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Postby Ikania » Thu Jan 22, 2015 5:38 am

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Postby Malgrave » Thu Jan 22, 2015 5:41 am

Ikania wrote:Fifth.


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Postby Argentarino » Thu Jan 22, 2015 5:51 am

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Malgrave wrote:
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Postby Nixon-Now » Thu Jan 22, 2015 5:46 pm

"I propose a moment of silence for the great loss the world has had today in the death of King Abdullah ibn Abdulaziz."

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Postby The Nihilistic view » Thu Jan 22, 2015 5:54 pm

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Postby Nixon-Now » Thu Jan 22, 2015 5:56 pm

The Nihilistic view wrote:"Abdul bin wabdul can bugger off. I'm sparing a thought for Raif Badawi and the others he oppressed."

"Saudi Arabia has remained one of the most stable governments in the world, and especially for this region it is an accomplishment that should be recognized."

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Postby The Nihilistic view » Thu Jan 22, 2015 6:00 pm

Nixon-Now wrote:
The Nihilistic view wrote:"Abdul bin wabdul can bugger off. I'm sparing a thought for Raif Badawi and the others he oppressed."

"Saudi Arabia has remained one of the most stable governments in the world, and especially for this region it is an accomplishment that should be recognized."


" Yes, as good an accomplishment as my stable mind."
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Postby Malgrave » Thu Jan 22, 2015 6:01 pm

The Nihilistic view wrote:"Abdul bin wabdul can bugger off. I'm sparing a thought for Raif Badawi and the others he oppressed."


"I completely agree. We should spare a thought for those persecuted in Saudi Arabia and not mourn the loss of brutal dictators"
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Postby Nixon-Now » Thu Jan 22, 2015 6:01 pm

Malgrave wrote:
The Nihilistic view wrote:"Abdul bin wabdul can bugger off. I'm sparing a thought for Raif Badawi and the others he oppressed."


"I completely agree. We should spare a thought for those persecuted in Saudi Arabia and not mourn the loss of brutal dictators"

"Those persecuted under a system that has maintained proper order for many many years?"

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Postby Estva » Thu Jan 22, 2015 6:49 pm

Nixon-Now wrote:
Malgrave wrote:
"I completely agree. We should spare a thought for those persecuted in Saudi Arabia and not mourn the loss of brutal dictators"

"Those persecuted under a system that has maintained proper order for many many years?"

"Quite the contrarian, aren't you Senator."
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