NSG Senate Chamber: I came, I saw, I cleaned up after myself

[Lykens]

Encarnacion stood up and raised his voice, "For once, the right honorable opposition, and the honorable gentleman, Robert Allen, have finally produced a bill that we can all agree on. I applaud their efforts, as it must have taken months to come up with it."

Encarnacion sat back down on his bench.

[Macedonian Grand Empire]

""As a person that has seen the bad effects caused by addiction to drugs including marijuana so i will vote against it."

OOC: there is no way in hell i would vote for any drug legalization... That includes marijuana.

[Lykens]

""As a person that has seen the bad effects caused by addiction to drugs including marijuana so i will vote against it."

OOC: there is no way in hell i would vote for any drug legalization... That includes marijuana.

"Would the honorable gentleman be in favor of a ban on tobacco?"

[Macedonian Grand Empire]

""As a person that has seen the bad effects caused by addiction to drugs including marijuana so i will vote against it."

OOC: there is no way in hell i would vote for any drug legalization... That includes marijuana.

"Would the honorable gentleman be in favor of a ban on tobacco?"

"Tobacco does not rile me up as does drugs. I have not seen families fall apart from someone smoking. But i have seen families fall apart due to drug abuse. So a ban on tobacco according to me is far fetched and much more certain to backfire due to a much much higher number of people smoking cigarettes then any of the drugs i am against."

[Lykens]

"Would the honorable gentleman be in favor of a ban on tobacco?"

"Tobacco does not rile me up as does drugs. I have not seen families fall apart from someone smoking. But i have seen families fall apart due to drug abuse. So a ban on tobacco according to me is far fetched and much more certain to backfire due to a much much higher number of people smoking cigarettes then any of the drugs i am against."

"Have you not seen families torn apart, as their loved ones die of cancer from tobacco? Have you not seen families forced into poverty, from the cost of medical bills, to care for their dying loved ones?"

[Macedonian Grand Empire]

"Tobacco does not rile me up as does drugs. I have not seen families fall apart from someone smoking. But i have seen families fall apart due to drug abuse. So a ban on tobacco according to me is far fetched and much more certain to backfire due to a much much higher number of people smoking cigarettes then any of the drugs i am against."

"Have you not seen families torn apart, as their loved ones die of cancer from tobacco? Have you not seen families forced into poverty, from the cost of medical bills, to care for their dying loved ones?"

"Ï have seen families torn apart from cancer. But i have also seen cancer that is not caused from tobacco on a person i personal knew never to smoke a cigarette. So that increases the chances of having cancer but it is not the sole cause of cancer."

[Costa Fierro]

"Whatever this bill entails, I will vote against it."

[Lykens]

"Have you not seen families torn apart, as their loved ones die of cancer from tobacco? Have you not seen families forced into poverty, from the cost of medical bills, to care for their dying loved ones?"

"Ï have seen families torn apart from cancer. But i have also seen cancer that is not caused from tobacco on a person i personal knew never to smoke a cigarette. So that increases the chances of having cancer but it is not the sole cause of cancer."

"So a drug, marijuana, which does not lead to addiction, or any reported overdoses, is less lethal than tobacco, which as you just said, is a cause of cancer."

[Macedonian Grand Empire]

"Ï have seen families torn apart from cancer. But i have also seen cancer that is not caused from tobacco on a person i personal knew never to smoke a cigarette. So that increases the chances of having cancer but it is not the sole cause of cancer."

"So a drug, marijuana, which does not lead to addiction, or any reported overdoses, is less lethal than tobacco, which as you just said, is a cause of cancer."

"I said it is not the sole cause. It increases the chances. But in my book it is more harmful then tobacco."

[Lykens]

"So a drug, marijuana, which does not lead to addiction, or any reported overdoses, is less lethal than tobacco, which as you just said, is a cause of cancer."

"I said it is not the sole cause. It increases the chances. But in my book it is more harmful then tobacco."

"A personal opinion, obviously deeply ingrained, and I shall respect that. However, there is medical evidence that tobacco is several times worse. Whether or not the honorable gentleman chooses to believe that is up to him."

[Great Nepal]

""As a person that has seen the bad effects caused by addiction to drugs including marijuana so i will vote against it."

OOC: there is no way in hell i would vote for any drug legalization... That includes marijuana.

Then surely it makes sense to legalize it, make it safer to purchase, easier to track the users and remove the fear of reporting from the families. Now we have funds to establish rehabilitation from taxation on drugs, we know individuals abusing drugs allowing us to better target rehabilitation programs and those who continue to use drugs can ensure that they are not buying something that had been in ass cavity of someone or created from drain cleaners.

[Calimera II]

"I said it is not the sole cause. It increases the chances. But in my book it is more harmful then tobacco."

"A personal opinion, obviously deeply ingrained, and I shall respect that. However, there is medical evidence that tobacco is several times worse. Whether or not the honorable gentleman chooses to believe that is up to him."

''Encarnación, let me be very clear: Marihuana and Tobacco are both bad for the health of our people. So it doesn't make sense at all to say ''let's just legalize marihuana because tobacco is worse''. Moreover, this isn't just a bill that will legalize marihuana, it will also legalize the currently illegal criminal monopoly on marihuana. I urge all senators to vote against this absolutely terrible bill.''

[Macedonian Grand Empire]

"I said it is not the sole cause. It increases the chances. But in my book it is more harmful then tobacco."

"A personal opinion, obviously deeply ingrained, and I shall respect that. However, there is medical evidence that tobacco is several times worse. Whether or not the honorable gentleman chooses to believe that is up to him."

"The attack that has taken place years ago on a person that is really close to me let me to reinforce my opinion against drugs."

""As a person that has seen the bad effects caused by addiction to drugs including marijuana so i will vote against it."

OOC: there is no way in hell i would vote for any drug legalization... That includes marijuana.

Then surely it makes sense to legalize it, make it safer to purchase, easier to track the users and remove the fear of reporting from the families. Now we have funds to establish rehabilitation from taxation on drugs, we know individuals abusing drugs allowing us to better target rehabilitation programs and those who continue to use drugs can ensure that they are not buying something that had been in ass cavity of someone or created from drain cleaners.

"Making it legal will not detain them from going as far as stealing from their parents and buying more drugs. The gains from tax money to be used for rehabilitation is something i see as useless. Would it not b better if the rehabilitation is not necessary at all?"

[Great Nepal]

"Making it legal will not detain them from going as far as stealing from their parents and buying more drugs. The gains from tax money to be used for rehabilitation is something i see as useless. Would it not b better if the rehabilitation is not necessary at all?"

"Ideal yes, but globally nations have tried that route and failed - why would our policy yield any different results? We are going to have people using drug, no matter how terrible its use might be - what our policy needs to therefore do is ensuring drugs they are buying are not made from drain cleaners or hidden in someone's butt, ensure that we have adequate and targeted rehabilitation policy to minimize those using drugs. Trying to eliminate it by banning it does not work, has not worked and will not work - such attempts will in the end create more crime, more deaths and frankly more users."

[Lykens]

"A personal opinion, obviously deeply ingrained, and I shall respect that. However, there is medical evidence that tobacco is several times worse. Whether or not the honorable gentleman chooses to believe that is up to him."

''Encarnación, let me be very clear: Marihuana and Tobacco are both bad for the health of our people. So it doesn't make sense at all to say ''let's just legalize marihuana because tobacco is worse''. Moreover, this isn't just a bill that will legalize marihuana, it will also legalize the currently illegal criminal monopoly on marihuana. I urge all senators to vote against this absolutely terrible bill.''

"A terrible bill that has come from your own coalition, with the backing of your own coalition, and from the pen of your own Parliamentary leader. Very interesting. As soon as the right honorable gentleman produces medical reports that show marijuana has any negative health effects, I would be more than happy to agree with him. However, tobacco is already proven to be a very dangerous drug, and we have yet to ban it. Ban them both, or legalize them both, it is as simple as that."

"A personal opinion, obviously deeply ingrained, and I shall respect that. However, there is medical evidence that tobacco is several times worse. Whether or not the honorable gentleman chooses to believe that is up to him."

"The attack that has taken place years ago on a person that is really close to me let me to reinforce my opinion against drugs."

"Taking that one attack, and applying it to the world is not the best idea, my friend."

Then surely it makes sense to legalize it, make it safer to purchase, easier to track the users and remove the fear of reporting from the families. Now we have funds to establish rehabilitation from taxation on drugs, we know individuals abusing drugs allowing us to better target rehabilitation programs and those who continue to use drugs can ensure that they are not buying something that had been in ass cavity of someone or created from drain cleaners.

"Making it legal will not detain them from going as far as stealing from their parents and buying more drugs. The gains from tax money to be used for rehabilitation is something i see as useless. Would it not b better if the rehabilitation is not necessary at all?"

"Regardless of whether or not it is legalized, there will always be consumption of the drug. Legalizing it simply allows for less criminal activity revolving around it, and rehabilitation for those who, as you claim become addicted, can seek treatment."

[Macedonian Grand Empire]

"Making it legal will not detain them from going as far as stealing from their parents and buying more drugs. The gains from tax money to be used for rehabilitation is something i see as useless. Would it not b better if the rehabilitation is not necessary at all?"

"Ideal yes, but globally nations have tried that route and failed - why would our policy yield any different results? We are going to have people using drug, no matter how terrible its use might be - what our policy needs to therefore do is ensuring drugs they are buying are not made from drain cleaners or hidden in someone's butt, ensure that we have adequate and targeted rehabilitation policy to minimize those using drugs. Trying to eliminate it by banning it does not work, has not worked and will not work - such attempts will in the end create more crime, more deaths and frankly more users."

"To be frank drug users have no sympathy in my book. They ruin their and the lives of their family. Then they should be cured at the public expense. I have even less sympathy for drug dealers. I am advocating for massive punishment for the dealers."

[Calimera II]

''Encarnación, let me be very clear: Marihuana and Tobacco are both bad for the health of our people. So it doesn't make sense at all to say ''let's just legalize marihuana because tobacco is worse''. Moreover, this isn't just a bill that will legalize marihuana, it will also legalize the currently illegal criminal monopoly on marihuana. I urge all senators to vote against this absolutely terrible bill.''

"A terrible bill that has come from your own coalition, with the backing of your own coalition, and from the pen of your own Parliamentary leader. Very interesting. As soon as the right honorable gentleman produces medical reports that show marijuana has any negative health effects, I would be more than happy to agree with him. However, tobacco is already proven to be a very dangerous drug, and we have yet to ban it. Ban them both, or legalize them both, it is as simple as that."

''You seem to be unaware of the fact that the parties that form part of the Coalición Azul have said that every party can form its own opinion on this issue. You seem to be very worried about absolutely everything that happens in our coalition, why? Are you afraid?
This bill is absolutely a disgrace for this nation, it legalizes the market of marihuana, but it doesn't control it whatsoever.

According to the prestigious dutch Trimbos institute Marihuana is extremely bad for the health of people.

''The use of alcohol and cannabis is never without risks. More and more researches increase our awareness on the harmful effects of alcohol and drugs use. Especially for certain vulnerable groups such as youngsters, mentally handicapped and children of parents with mental health or addiction problems the risks are greater.''

Source: http://www.trimbos.org/

[Murkwood]

"A terrible bill that has come from your own coalition, with the backing of your own coalition, and from the pen of your own Parliamentary leader. Very interesting. As soon as the right honorable gentleman produces medical reports that show marijuana has any negative health effects, I would be more than happy to agree with him. However, tobacco is already proven to be a very dangerous drug, and we have yet to ban it. Ban them both, or legalize them both, it is as simple as that."

''You seem to be unaware of the fact that the parties that form part of the Coalición Azul have said that every party can form its own opinion on this issue. You seem to be very worried about absolutely everything that happens in our coalition, why? Are you afraid?
This bill is absolutely a disgrace for this nation, it legalizes the market of marihuana, but it doesn't control it whatsoever.

According to the prestigious dutch Trimbos institute Marihuana is extremely bad for the health of people.

''The use of alcohol and cannabis is never without risks. More and more researches increase our awareness on the harmful effects of alcohol and drugs use. Especially for certain vulnerable groups such as youngsters, mentally handicapped and children of parents with mental health or addiction problems the risks are greater.''

Source: http://www.trimbos.org/

"I fully agree with my Senatorial colleague. We are Calaverde, not Uruguay, and we have standards."

[Lykens]

"A terrible bill that has come from your own coalition, with the backing of your own coalition, and from the pen of your own Parliamentary leader. Very interesting. As soon as the right honorable gentleman produces medical reports that show marijuana has any negative health effects, I would be more than happy to agree with him. However, tobacco is already proven to be a very dangerous drug, and we have yet to ban it. Ban them both, or legalize them both, it is as simple as that."

''You seem to be unaware of the fact that the parties that form part of the Coalición Azul have said that every party can form its own opinion on this issue. You seem to be very worried about absolutely everything that happens in our coalition, why? Are you afraid?
This bill is absolutely a disgrace for this nation, it legalizes the market of marihuana, but it doesn't control it whatsoever.

According to the prestigious dutch Trimbos institute Marihuana is extremely bad for the health of people.

''The use of alcohol and cannabis is never without risks. More and more researches increase our awareness on the harmful effects of alcohol and drugs use. Especially for certain vulnerable groups such as youngsters, mentally handicapped and children of parents with mental health or addiction problems the risks are greater.''

Source: http://www.trimbos.org/

"Scared of the possibility of an unstable alliance taking power? Terrified. A follow up bill to be voted with it at the same exact time is not impossible, and this level of pessimism from the ones who are quite cocky, and ready to take over is just as frightening as your unstable coalition. This bill specifically calls for the government to restrict access to those under the age of majority, and can easily be amended to fit the specific groups listed."

And if we followed the prestigious institute's instructions to the mark, we might as well ban alcohol.

(It would also do good to link the exact quote, or whatever else your were using in your argument, rather than the homepage.)

[The Nihilistic view]

"Well this is good fun" Boris was sat on what would soon become the government benches.

[Great Nepal]

"To be frank drug users have no sympathy in my book. They ruin their and the lives of their family. Then they should be cured at the public expense. I have even less sympathy for drug dealers. I am advocating for massive punishment for the dealers."

"Drug dealers will face massive cut in their business from this bill - no one will go to buy drugs from dealers if they can get one packaged and ingredients listed from a dedicated store. Furthermore they will then pay taxes on the supply which lifts cost of rehabilitating them from the public shoulders."

"I fully agree with my Senatorial colleague. We are Calaverde, not Uruguay, and we have standards."

"Do those standards include needless focus on criminalizing drugs rather than helping the users and ensuring safety? People use drugs, people have used drugs and they will continue to use drugs - best thing we can do is not pretend we can somehow stop it and instead focus on making sure drugs are relatively safe and we can best rehabilitate users."

[Calimera II]

''You seem to be unaware of the fact that the parties that form part of the Coalición Azul have said that every party can form its own opinion on this issue. You seem to be very worried about absolutely everything that happens in our coalition, why? Are you afraid?
This bill is absolutely a disgrace for this nation, it legalizes the market of marihuana, but it doesn't control it whatsoever.

According to the prestigious dutch Trimbos institute Marihuana is extremely bad for the health of people.

''The use of alcohol and cannabis is never without risks. More and more researches increase our awareness on the harmful effects of alcohol and drugs use. Especially for certain vulnerable groups such as youngsters, mentally handicapped and children of parents with mental health or addiction problems the risks are greater.''

Source: http://www.trimbos.org/

"Scared of the possibility of an unstable alliance taking power? Terrified. A follow up bill to be voted with it at the same exact time is not impossible, and this level of pessimism from the ones who are quite cocky, and ready to take over is just as frightening as your unstable coalition. This bill specifically calls for the government to restrict access to those under the age of majority, and can easily be amended to fit the specific groups listed."

And if we followed the prestigious institute's instructions to the mark, we might as well ban alcohol.

(It would also do good to link the exact quote, or whatever else your were using in your argument, rather than the homepage.)

''The Coalición Azul is continuously strengthened due to the fact that we all laugh at your comments. Now, let me continue: the bill only legalizes marihuana, it doesn't control it whatsoever. The bill gives the monopoly of marihuana to Criminals and this will allow them to be the new millionaires of Calaverde. ''

Here you have the link: http://www.trimbos.nl/onderwerpen/alcoh ... en/risicos

[Macedonian Grand Empire]

"To be frank drug users have no sympathy in my book. They ruin their and the lives of their family. Then they should be cured at the public expense. I have even less sympathy for drug dealers. I am advocating for massive punishment for the dealers."

"Drug dealers will face massive cut in their business from this bill - no one will go to buy drugs from dealers if they can get one packaged and ingredients listed from a dedicated store. Furthermore they will then pay taxes on the supply which lifts cost of rehabilitating them from the public shoulders."

"

"And how much is that tax? At the moment none. Nothing in this bill show any kind of tax or even worse cost."

[Calimera II]

"Drug dealers will face massive cut in their business from this bill - no one will go to buy drugs from dealers if they can get one packaged and ingredients listed from a dedicated store. Furthermore they will then pay taxes on the supply which lifts cost of rehabilitating them from the public shoulders."

"

"And how much is that tax? At the moment none. Nothing in this bill show any kind of tax or even worse cost."

''That is because the bill has the sole goal of legalizing marihuana.''

[Great Nepal]

"Drug dealers will face massive cut in their business from this bill - no one will go to buy drugs from dealers if they can get one packaged and ingredients listed from a dedicated store. Furthermore they will then pay taxes on the supply which lifts cost of rehabilitating them from the public shoulders."

"

"And how much is that tax? At the moment none. Nothing in this bill show any kind of tax or even worse cost."

"That is beyond the remit of this bill, taxation on drugs will be included with generation taxation bill. We dont have clauses of taxation in separate bills."