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Postby Osea 767 » Mon May 11, 2015 5:01 am

Standing Order 1: Nay
Standing Order 2: Nay
Standing Order 3: Aye
Standing Order 4: Aye
Standing Order 5: Aye

First Amendment to Right to Choose Act (Amended): Aye
The Unemployment Assistance Act: Nay
First Amendment to the National Judiciary Act: Aye
Fourth Amendment to the Government Establishment Act: Aye
Amendment to the government establishment act: Aye
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Postby New Zepuha » Mon May 11, 2015 7:27 am

Standing Order 1: Aye
Standing Order 2: Abstain
Standing Order 3: Aye
Standing Order 4: Aye
Standing Order 5: Nay

First Amendment to Right to Choose Act (Amended): Nay
The Unemployment Assistance Act: Aye
First Amendment to the National Judiciary Act: Aye
Fourth Amendment to the Government Establishment Act: Nay
Amendment to the government establishment act: Nay
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Postby Arkolon » Mon May 11, 2015 10:27 am

Standing Orders: AYE to all
First Amendment to Right to Choose Act (Amended): NAY
The Unemployment Assistance Act: NAY
First Amendment to the National Judiciary Act: AYE
Fourth Amendment to the Government Establishment Act: NAY
Amendment to the government establishment act: AYE
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Postby Planita » Mon May 11, 2015 11:41 am

I change all my votes on the standing orders to AYE

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Postby The Saint James Islands » Mon May 11, 2015 11:57 am

Standing Orders: NO to 3 and 4 for ridiculously archaic and obtuse terminology; AYE to all others
First Amendment to Right to Choose Act (Amended): AYE
The Unemployment Assistance Act: NO
First Amendment to the National Judiciary Act: Abstain
Fourth Amendment to the Government Establishment Act: Abstain
Amendment to the government establishment act: AYE
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Postby Zurkerx » Mon May 11, 2015 1:12 pm

ORDER.

"Voting on the bills and standing orders will now cease. I will have a tally shortly. Begin the debate on the Smoking and Tobacco Use Reduction Act".

Smoking and Tobacco Use Reduction Act

OOC: Give me some time here, it will take me a bit.

Edit: I will have it later tonight. I have to go somewhere.
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Postby Atlanticatia » Mon May 11, 2015 1:15 pm

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The Liberated Territories
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Mon May 11, 2015 2:35 pm

Hell no. Your body, your choice.

Also, your business, your choice to advertise (so long as it doesn't utilize fraud).
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Postby MERIZoC » Mon May 11, 2015 2:49 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:Hell no. Your body, your choice.

"Which is why you voted nay to the First Amendment to Right to Choose Act."
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Postby New Zepuha » Mon May 11, 2015 2:56 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:Hell no. Your body, your choice.

Also, your business, your choice to advertise (so long as it doesn't utilize fraud).

Hear hear!
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Postby MERIZoC » Mon May 11, 2015 2:59 pm

New Zepuha wrote:
The Liberated Territories wrote:Hell no. Your body, your choice.

Also, your business, your choice to advertise (so long as it doesn't utilize fraud).

Hear hear!

"And you, Ms. deGroot. The level of hypocrisy on the right is obscene, though not surprising. It's likely that very few of you can be held to actually consistent standards."

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Postby MERIZoC » Mon May 11, 2015 3:02 pm

"I should like to point out that this part of the bill does not go far enough, in my opinion."

[smoking is prohibited]
"Inside a vehicle when a child aged 12 or under is in the vehicle."

"I would like to see this amended to "under the age of majority"."

OOC: Can that be done now, or must we wait?

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Postby Collatis » Mon May 11, 2015 4:33 pm

Merizoc wrote:"I should like to point out that this part of the bill does not go far enough, in my opinion."

[smoking is prohibited]
"Inside a vehicle when a child aged 12 or under is in the vehicle."

"I would like to see this amended to "under the age of majority"."

OOC: Can that be done now, or must we wait?

"I would support such an amendment."

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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Mon May 11, 2015 4:37 pm

"Firmly against. Smoking is a personal choice and regulation regarding public usage should be minimal."
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Postby Collatis » Mon May 11, 2015 4:41 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:"Firmly against. Smoking is a personal choice and regulation regarding public usage should be minimal."

"It stops being a personal choice when you choose to force your deadly habit on the rest of the world."

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Postby MERIZoC » Mon May 11, 2015 4:42 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:"Firmly against. Smoking is a personal choice and regulation regarding public usage should be minimal."

Not when public safety is concerned.

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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Mon May 11, 2015 4:44 pm

Merizoc wrote:Not when public safety is concerned.
Collatis wrote:"It stops being a personal choice when you choose to force your deadly habit on the rest of the world."

"Walking by someone on a bench smoking won't give you cancer, though I can understand the law concerning inside a car containing children."
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Postby Ainin » Mon May 11, 2015 4:44 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:"Firmly against. Smoking is a personal choice and regulation regarding public usage should be minimal."

"It's not a personal choice when it gives others cancer."
"And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned round on you — where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat?"

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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Mon May 11, 2015 4:44 pm

Ainin wrote:"It's not a personal choice when it gives others cancer."

"No one gets cancer walking by a smoker on their way to work every day, sir."
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Postby Collatis » Mon May 11, 2015 4:45 pm

Ainin wrote:"It's not a personal choice when it gives others cancer."

"Hear, hear!"

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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Mon May 11, 2015 4:46 pm

Collatis wrote:"Hear, hear!"

"Good thing it isn't."
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Mon May 11, 2015 4:48 pm

*Puffs smoke into Collatis*

Got cancer yet, pal?
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Postby New Zepuha » Mon May 11, 2015 5:01 pm

Merizoc wrote:
New Zepuha wrote:Hear hear!

"And you, Ms. deGroot. The level of hypocrisy on the right is obscene, though not surprising. It's likely that very few of you can be held to actually consistent standards."

"Point of order, the honorable member is calling into question my character with baseless accusations." she calmly pointed out. "I also find the fear mongering from the other side of the aisle quite disturbing, but fitting with the usual pattern."
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Postby Ikania » Mon May 11, 2015 5:03 pm

"It's a bit strict and I'd prefer for it to be loosened a bit, but as it stands there are many provisions in this act that are necessary, so I'll support it."
New Zepuha wrote:
Merizoc wrote:"And you, Ms. deGroot. The level of hypocrisy on the right is obscene, though not surprising. It's likely that very few of you can be held to actually consistent standards."

"Point of order, the honorable member is calling into question my character with baseless accusations." she calmly pointed out. "I also find the fear mongering from the other side of the aisle quite disturbing, but fitting with the usual pattern."

"If I'm not mistaken, the standing orders aren't in effect until the Speaker says so. So I can say fuck off, and if I'm wrong I will certainly withdraw that comment."
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Postby MERIZoC » Mon May 11, 2015 5:10 pm

New Zepuha wrote:
Merizoc wrote:"And you, Ms. deGroot. The level of hypocrisy on the right is obscene, though not surprising. It's likely that very few of you can be held to actually consistent standards."

"Point of order, the honorable member is calling into question my character with baseless accusations." she calmly pointed out. "I also find the fear mongering from the other side of the aisle quite disturbing, but fitting with the usual pattern."

Baseless? I'm pointing out blatant hypocrisy.

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