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Postby The Nihilistic view » Fri Mar 06, 2015 11:27 am

"Order

Length of time the bill has been submitted has no baring on when a bill is put in front of Parliament. If you have an issue with it take it up with the government. It was the Prime Ministers decision to fast track the bill."
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Postby Ikania » Fri Mar 06, 2015 11:44 am

"Sir, where would be the proper place to address the Prime Minister on this? As well, I do not hear many voices in the chamber, why do you say order every time you speak? Like I assume you are about to."
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Postby Atlanticatia » Fri Mar 06, 2015 11:46 am

"State-owned postal banks have done extremely well in the world. They have added more competititon and driven down fees for things like ATM charges and monthly fees. This bank will be an independent bank that is owned by every citizen of Calaverde. It will also act as A vehicle for important public services, such as ensuring people in rural areas can access a bank (and everyone has a safe place to store their money), and low interest loans can be provided to small businesses. Our financial services market will have some much needed integrity, competition, and fairness."
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Postby Battlion » Fri Mar 06, 2015 11:48 am

Atlanticatia wrote:"State-owned postal banks have done extremely well in the world. They have added more competititon and driven down fees for things like ATM charges and monthly fees. This bank will be an independent bank that is owned by every citizen of Calaverde. It will also act as A vehicle for important public services, such as ensuring people in rural areas can access a bank (and everyone has a safe place to store their money), and low interest loans can be provided to small businesses. Our financial services market will have some much needed integrity, competition, and fairness."


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Postby The Sarian » Fri Mar 06, 2015 11:58 am

Atlanticatia wrote:"State-owned postal banks have done extremely well in the world. They have added more competititon and driven down fees for things like ATM charges and monthly fees. This bank will be an independent bank that is owned by every citizen of Calaverde. It will also act as A vehicle for important public services, such as ensuring people in rural areas can access a bank (and everyone has a safe place to store their money), and low interest loans can be provided to small businesses. Our financial services market will have some much needed integrity, competition, and fairness."


"How is what is essentially a state owned monopoly both competitive and fair, Minister?"
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Postby Zurkerx » Fri Mar 06, 2015 12:12 pm

The Sarian wrote:
Atlanticatia wrote:"State-owned postal banks have done extremely well in the world. They have added more competititon and driven down fees for things like ATM charges and monthly fees. This bank will be an independent bank that is owned by every citizen of Calaverde. It will also act as A vehicle for important public services, such as ensuring people in rural areas can access a bank (and everyone has a safe place to store their money), and low interest loans can be provided to small businesses. Our financial services market will have some much needed integrity, competition, and fairness."


"How is what is essentially a state owned monopoly both competitive and fair, Minister?"


"Yes please, enlighten us. I thought monopolies hinder competition and fairness? I guess the government finds that to be okay?"
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Postby Alyekra » Fri Mar 06, 2015 12:21 pm

Zurkerx wrote:
The Sarian wrote:
"How is what is essentially a state owned monopoly both competitive and fair, Minister?"


"Yes please, enlighten us. I thought monopolies hinder competition and fairness? I guess the government finds that to be okay?"


"The government is itself a monopoly. It's one of those cases of 'It's only bad if somebody else does it', I suppose."
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Postby Atlanticatia » Fri Mar 06, 2015 12:42 pm

The Sarian wrote:
Atlanticatia wrote:"State-owned postal banks have done extremely well in the world. They have added more competititon and driven down fees for things like ATM charges and monthly fees. This bank will be an independent bank that is owned by every citizen of Calaverde. It will also act as A vehicle for important public services, such as ensuring people in rural areas can access a bank (and everyone has a safe place to store their money), and low interest loans can be provided to small businesses. Our financial services market will have some much needed integrity, competition, and fairness."


"How is what is essentially a state owned monopoly both competitive and fair, Minister?"

it's not a monopoly. It's a state owned bank that will act as a competitor. It is not nationalizing anything.
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Postby Lykens » Fri Mar 06, 2015 1:22 pm

Ikania wrote:"Speaker, this bill was only submitted to your office yesterday, surely there are other issues in the queue that have been there for much longer?"

"Unfortunately, the speaker is in complete control of what bills come to the floor."
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Postby Britanno » Fri Mar 06, 2015 2:06 pm

Zurkerx wrote:"Yes please, enlighten us. I thought monopolies hinder competition and fairness? I guess the government finds that to be okay?"

"Perhaps the honourable member of the opposition could enlighten this chamber on how no form of nationalisation creates a state-owned monopoly?"
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Postby Calimera II » Fri Mar 06, 2015 2:11 pm

b) The bank shall be an independent state-owned corporation, operating at arms length from the government and Ministry of Finance.


How ''independent.''

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Postby New Werpland » Fri Mar 06, 2015 2:32 pm

*a paper airplane flies through the open window

it reads "why do you bother anyway? anything proposed by Luc Morales will get passed because the right wing opposition is too small, and the LibDems who are supposed to be Centrist vote aye on almost anything the Dem Lefts propose"
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Postby The New World Oceania » Fri Mar 06, 2015 2:46 pm

New Werpland wrote:*a paper airplane flies through the open window


Not only do we have millions of microphones to catch our every word, but we also have windows. Excellent, can someone get me a picture of this chamber?
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Postby Great Nepal » Fri Mar 06, 2015 3:19 pm

Calimera II wrote:
b) The bank shall be an independent state-owned corporation, operating at arms length from the government and Ministry of Finance.


How ''independent.''

I am presuming as independent as pretty much other postal saving banks around the world
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Postby Atlanticatia » Fri Mar 06, 2015 3:53 pm

Great Nepal wrote:
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b) The bank shall be an independent state-owned corporation, operating at arms length from the government and Ministry of Finance.


How ''independent.''

I am presuming as independent as pretty much other postal saving banks around the world


It will be similar to KiwiBank in New Zealand.
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Postby Illuminination » Fri Mar 06, 2015 4:12 pm

New Werpland wrote:*a paper airplane flies through the open window

it reads "why do you bother anyway? anything proposed by Luc Morales will get passed because the right wing opposition is too small, and the LibDems who are supposed to be Centrist vote aye on almost anything the Dem Lefts propose"

My colleague brings up a good point. This is exactly why I didn't want a DL prime minister. While I don't agree with the Blue Coalition on alot of things, it forces more centrism.
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Postby Battlion » Fri Mar 06, 2015 4:13 pm

Illuminination wrote:
New Werpland wrote:*a paper airplane flies through the open window

it reads "why do you bother anyway? anything proposed by Luc Morales will get passed because the right wing opposition is too small, and the LibDems who are supposed to be Centrist vote aye on almost anything the Dem Lefts propose"

My colleague brings up a good point. This is exactly why I didn't want a DL prime minister. While I don't agree with the Blue Coalition on alot of things, it forces more centrism.


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Postby Atlanticatia » Fri Mar 06, 2015 4:17 pm

Illuminination wrote:
New Werpland wrote:*a paper airplane flies through the open window

it reads "why do you bother anyway? anything proposed by Luc Morales will get passed because the right wing opposition is too small, and the LibDems who are supposed to be Centrist vote aye on almost anything the Dem Lefts propose"

My colleague brings up a good point. This is exactly why I didn't want a DL prime minister. While I don't agree with the Blue Coalition on alot of things, it forces more centrism.


"This was actually a proposal by the (LibDem) prime minister, as one of his main policy planks. I wholeheartedly support it. We are here to be pragmatic and progressive. I don't think this is some far left policy as you're describing it. Any policy proposed by the Government has support of the Coaliton - both LibDems and DL. Everything is debated and decided through compromise.
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Postby Illuminination » Fri Mar 06, 2015 4:21 pm

Atlanticatia wrote:
Illuminination wrote:My colleague brings up a good point. This is exactly why I didn't want a DL prime minister. While I don't agree with the Blue Coalition on alot of things, it forces more centrism.


"This was actually a proposal by the (LibDem) prime minister, as one of his main policy planks. I wholeheartedly support it. We are here to be pragmatic and progressive. I don't think this is some far left policy as you're describing it. Any policy proposed by the Government has support of the Coaliton - both LibDems and DL. Everything is debated and decided through compromise.

I meant President not prime minister. I apologize for the mistake but still, our lack of compromise on almost all bills while still passing them due to our huge majority isn't how we should be operating.
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Postby New Zepuha » Fri Mar 06, 2015 4:44 pm

New Werpland wrote:*a paper airplane flies through the open window

it reads "why do you bother anyway? anything proposed by Luc Morales will get passed because the right wing opposition is too small, and the LibDems who are supposed to be Centrist vote aye on almost anything the Dem Lefts propose"

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Postby New Werpland » Fri Mar 06, 2015 5:02 pm

Illuminination wrote:
Atlanticatia wrote:
"This was actually a proposal by the (LibDem) prime minister, as one of his main policy planks. I wholeheartedly support it. We are here to be pragmatic and progressive. I don't think this is some far left policy as you're describing it. Any policy proposed by the Government has support of the Coaliton - both LibDems and DL. Everything is debated and decided through compromise.

I meant President not prime minister. I apologize for the mistake but still, our lack of compromise on almost all bills while still passing them due to our huge majority isn't how we should be operating.

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Postby The Nihilistic view » Fri Mar 06, 2015 5:54 pm

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Ikania wrote:"Speaker, this bill was only submitted to your office yesterday, surely there are other issues in the queue that have been there for much longer?"

"Unfortunately, the speaker is in complete control of what bills come to the floor."


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Postby Oneracon » Fri Mar 06, 2015 5:58 pm

Zurkerx wrote:
The Sarian wrote:
"How is what is essentially a state owned monopoly both competitive and fair, Minister?"


"Yes please, enlighten us. I thought monopolies hinder competition and fairness? I guess the government finds that to be okay?"

"If the honourable member could indicate which section of the bill forbids the establishment of other banks, I am very interested to see them. Otherwise, I would be led to conclude that the member's allegations are a deliberate falsehood [corrected] misleading."
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Fri Mar 06, 2015 6:00 pm

Oneracon wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:
"Yes please, enlighten us. I thought monopolies hinder competition and fairness? I guess the government finds that to be okay?"

"If the honourable member could indicate which section of the bill forbids the establishment of other banks, I am very interested to see them. Otherwise, I would be led to conclude that the member's allegations are a deliberate falsehood."


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Postby New Bierstaat » Fri Mar 06, 2015 6:08 pm

Oneracon wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:
"Yes please, enlighten us. I thought monopolies hinder competition and fairness? I guess the government finds that to be okay?"

"If the honourable member could indicate which section of the bill forbids the establishment of other banks, I am very interested to see them. Otherwise, I would be led to conclude that the member's allegations are a deliberate falsehood."

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