NSG Senate Chamber: I came, I saw, I cleaned up after myself

[The Union of the West]

I vote NAY.

[Uiiop]

I guess i vote AYE

[Gothmogs]

I cast an aye vote.

[The New World Oceania]

Abstain.

[Geilinor]

Aye

[Kelinfort]

Aye.

[New Godsdom]

Nay

[Bleckonia]

NAY

[The Saint James Islands]

Act to Apply to Join International and Regional Organizations: AYE

[Samarian Imperium]

Aye

[Phocidaea]

I vote aye.

[Osea 767]

Aye

[The Nihilistic view]

"ORDER

The vote is over. The next item for the agenda is The Calaverde Defence Act, a rather urgent bill given certain recent developments."

Link - https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopi ... #p23383641

Got to go out and do some stuff. So will do the vote count this evening sometime.

[Memell]

"Honorable Members of Parliament, i am convinced that a conscription army would be the best option for our small country, rather than a professional one."

[Collatis]

"Honorable Members of Parliament, i am convinced that a conscription army would be the best option for our small country, rather than a professional one."

Though it is unlikely that our nation will be involved in a war any time soon, we will not have any shortage of volunteers to join the military. Many fought against the Junta in order to establish a free Calaverde, and many will be willing to fight to protect it. Conscription is not necessary for a nation that just fought so hard to eliminate such governing.

[Mollary]

"Honorable Members of Parliament, i am convinced that a conscription army would be the best option for our small country, rather than a professional one."

Honorable Member; while I would usually completely disagree with conscription, I am forced to take a practical stance. This nation still faces threats from competing militia that threaten to undermine all we have achieved; this is why I back temporarily giving the government the ability to call for the conscription of people into the military in the case of times of crisis.

[Intermountain States]

Mr. Speaker,

I have to agree with my colleagues. While we did saw numerous militias created to overthrow the junta, there are some militia movements that may have ties with the far left and the far right that may want to overthrow this government as well in favor of their ideology. Not to mention, a militia group known as the DFLC threatened action not a while back so we're going to have to take this with a more pragmatic approach.

I yield.

[Memell]

Mr. Speaker,

I have to agree with my colleagues. While we did saw numerous militias created to overthrow the junta, there are some militia movements that may have ties with the far left and the far right that may want to overthrow this government as well in favor of their ideology. Not to mention, a militia group known as the DFLC threatened action not a while back so we're going to have to take this with a more pragmatic approach.

I yield.

"Thank you, colleague. Exactly for this reason i believe we should create a conscription army, so that the armed forces do not becoem a State in the State."

[Argentarino]

"I believe that, given the current circumstances, we should start with a conscription army and gradually work towards a professional army, once there is stability."

[Britanno]

"I have confidence in our professional military. There is no reason t suggest that conscription is necessary at this time. If either the military or Ministry of Defence publishes a report suggesting that it is indeed time for the use of conscription, then the senate can take it up for consideration."

[Memell]

"I believe that, given the current circumstances, we should start with a conscription army and gradually work towards a professional army, once there is stability."

"I´d rather support an all-time conscripted army, but i could be in favour of such a proposal"

[The New World Oceania]

"Honorable Members of Parliament, i am convinced that a conscription army would be the best option for our small country, rather than a professional one."

This legislation does mention conscription, but does it explicitly mandate service anywhere? It seems to leave that to the Ministry of Defense.

[Nixon-Now]

Section 3.1 and 3.2 both restrict the ability of our nation's armed services to adequately deal with internal threats. Restricting to a point that our military becomes just a facade rather than a force capable of maintaining internal security and external defensive abilities. We don't fight traditional wars anymore, we fight ones done almost entirely through covert and subversive means. Our military must be able to cope with this.

[Argentarino]

Section 3.1 and 3.2 both restrict the ability of our nation's armed services to adequately deal with internal threats. Restricting to a point that our military becomes just a facade rather than a force capable of maintaining internal security and external defensive abilities. We don't fight traditional wars anymore, we fight ones done almost entirely through covert and subversive means. Our military must be able to cope with this.

"Is the honorable Senator insinuating that we give the military the same authority it had under the junta? I certainly hope not. Section 3.1 grants an exception in the case of national emergency and limited to military installations; this is a norm for most democratic societies. And again, 3.2 has several reasonable exceptions, but it too is meant to defend the people of Calaverde from abuse of authority by those in the military."

[Ikania]

Senators, may I say that forcing innocent people to risk their lives against their will is against the right to self-determination? What kind of free nation would we be if we forcibly conscripted good, innocent men and women to kill people or be killed? I would think that our army would be large enough to handle most internal threats, and if need be we can promote joining the military, but it is against liberty and free will to force others to do our jobs; volunteer armies are just as reliable.