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Ikania
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Postby Ikania » Sat Feb 07, 2015 11:29 am

Arkolon wrote:
Ikania wrote:Well then I don't see why we're giving them so much representation.

They're a whole island apart. Calaverde Dutch can be Adrian, but not all Calaverde Dutch are Adrians.

So you're saying there is a significant population of Dutch people on the mainland?
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Arkolon
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Postby Arkolon » Sat Feb 07, 2015 11:32 am

Ikania wrote:
Arkolon wrote:They're a whole island apart. Calaverde Dutch can be Adrian, but not all Calaverde Dutch are Adrians.

So you're saying there is a significant population of Dutch people on the mainland?

On their own island, I don't see why they wouldn't deserve so much representation.
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Ikania
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Postby Ikania » Sat Feb 07, 2015 1:09 pm

Arkolon wrote:
Ikania wrote:So you're saying there is a significant population of Dutch people on the mainland?

On their own island, I don't see why they wouldn't deserve so much representation.

I don't get what you're saying.

There are a ton of Dutch senators, there are political parties based around Adrius, I don't see anything like this for English or French people, most of the proposed flags have orange in it... how is Dutch supposed to be a tiny minority?
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Valluto
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Postby Valluto » Sat Feb 07, 2015 1:09 pm

Members let's remember this bill is about the United Nations and other world organizations, not cultural ones. Everyone's concerns about cultural organizations will be addressed when that bill is presented.
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Arkolon
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Postby Arkolon » Sat Feb 07, 2015 1:11 pm

Ikania wrote:
Arkolon wrote:On their own island, I don't see why they wouldn't deserve so much representation.

I don't get what you're saying.

There are a ton of Dutch senators, there are political parties based around Adrius, I don't see anything like this for English or French people, most of the proposed flags have orange in it... how is Dutch supposed to be a tiny minority?

I understood your comment as "why does Adrius get such attention", to which I answered along the lines of "they're their own island". I think I may have understood some parts.
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Glasgia
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Postby Glasgia » Sat Feb 07, 2015 4:05 pm

Without saying too much, this bill doesn't actually provide the means to join the UN. Each and every single UN agency must be ratified, rather than simply a vague statement as is currently contained within the act. It's poorly assembled and the author should consider reading similar legislation as passed by other nations.
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Argentarino
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Postby Argentarino » Sat Feb 07, 2015 4:40 pm

Glasgia wrote:Without saying too much, this bill doesn't actually provide the means to join the UN. Each and every single UN agency must be ratified, rather than simply a vague statement as is currently contained within the act. It's poorly assembled and the author should consider reading similar legislation as passed by other nations.

On an OOC level, the reason why I had the legislation say what it said was because I there are dozens of agencies, and rather than write legislation for each one or make this the longest damn bill you all had to read, I kept it short and to the point. I know it is not a piece of art here, but if it is such a big deal, I can try to make individual legislation for these specific organizations.
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Britanno
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Postby Britanno » Sat Feb 07, 2015 4:56 pm

Glasgia wrote:Without saying too much, this bill doesn't actually provide the means to join the UN. Each and every single UN agency must be ratified, rather than simply a vague statement as is currently contained within the act. It's poorly assembled and the author should consider reading similar legislation as passed by other nations.

I think the implication is that by passing this bill we are giving the MoFA the authority to ratify all of them.
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Argentarino
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Postby Argentarino » Sat Feb 07, 2015 8:22 pm

Britanno wrote:
Glasgia wrote:Without saying too much, this bill doesn't actually provide the means to join the UN. Each and every single UN agency must be ratified, rather than simply a vague statement as is currently contained within the act. It's poorly assembled and the author should consider reading similar legislation as passed by other nations.

I think the implication is that by passing this bill we are giving the MoFA the authority to ratify all of them.

No, the Senate ratifies, I just need the authority to submit these applications.

EDIT: I think it's the GEA or a Foreign Affairs Act that specifies that
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The Nihilistic view
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Moralistic Democracy

Postby The Nihilistic view » Sun Feb 08, 2015 7:30 am

"Order

The Act to Apply to Join International and Regional Organizations, those in favour say AYE, those against NO."


http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic ... #p23377626

24 hours vote.
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Great Nepal
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Postby Great Nepal » Sun Feb 08, 2015 7:32 am

Aye
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Ainin
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Ainin » Sun Feb 08, 2015 7:33 am

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Malgrave
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Postby Malgrave » Sun Feb 08, 2015 7:33 am

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Postby Arkolon » Sun Feb 08, 2015 7:36 am

Aye.
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Dejanic
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Postby Dejanic » Sun Feb 08, 2015 7:38 am

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Soviet Canuckistan
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Postby Soviet Canuckistan » Sun Feb 08, 2015 7:39 am

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Dendart
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Postby Dendart » Sun Feb 08, 2015 7:40 am

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Collatis
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Postby Collatis » Sun Feb 08, 2015 7:45 am

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Mollary
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Postby Mollary » Sun Feb 08, 2015 7:50 am

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Valluto
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Postby Valluto » Sun Feb 08, 2015 7:59 am

Aye
The Principality of Valluto

Senator Alfred "Alf" Bjørnsson
Right Party Senator for Gyldnebæk


Essentially an eclectic mix of economic pragmatism, foreign interventionism, social conservatism, and general tolerance.

Pro- LGBT rights, limited abortion rights, NATO, European Union, Centrism, Conservatives (UK), occasionally Democrats (US), Liberals (Canada), universal employment, family and child benefits, labor unions, the South, Traditions, Impressionism, Realism, dressing sharp.

Anti- TPP/NAFTA, Socialism, Extreme Libertarianism, Euroscepticism, refugee-bashing, xenophobia, modern art, rudeness


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Divitaen
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Postby Divitaen » Sun Feb 08, 2015 8:06 am

AYE
Hillary Clinton 2016! Stronger Together!
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Economic Right/Left: -8.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.15
Foreign Policy Non-interventionist/Neo-conservative: -10.00
Cultural Liberal/Conservative: -10.00
Social Democrat:
Cosmopolitan/Nationalistic - 38%
Secular/Fundamentalist - 50%
Visionary/Reactionary - 56%
Anarchistic/Authoritarian - 24%
Communistic/Capitalistic - 58%
Pacifist/Militarist - 39%
Ecological/Anthropocentric - 55%

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Britanno
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Postby Britanno » Sun Feb 08, 2015 8:18 am

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Alyakia wrote:our nations greatest achievement is slowly but surely being destroyed
America is doing fine atm

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Argentarino
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Postby Argentarino » Sun Feb 08, 2015 8:21 am

Aye
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New Zepuha
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Postby New Zepuha » Sun Feb 08, 2015 8:44 am

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