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Valluto
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Postby Valluto » Thu Feb 05, 2015 5:26 pm

I will ABSTAIN. Though I support the overall idea of the bill, I'm opposed to the regulation of private schools' religious policies. I have great respect for Senator Shadak and his heart is in the right place, but I cannot vote for this bill.
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Unicario
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Postby Unicario » Thu Feb 05, 2015 5:29 pm

Aye
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The Nihilistic view
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Moralistic Democracy

Postby The Nihilistic view » Thu Feb 05, 2015 5:33 pm

Nixon-Now wrote:*Talks on his phone as he notices a vote is occuring, and continues to do so until it is his turn.*
Nay.


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Murkwood
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Postby Murkwood » Thu Feb 05, 2015 5:37 pm

Nay.
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:Murkwood, I'm surprised you're not an anti-Semite and don't mind most LGBT rights because boy, aren't you a constellation of the worst opinions to have about everything? o_o

Benuty wrote:I suppose Ken Ham, and the league of Republican-Neocolonialist-Zionist Catholics will not be pleased.

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Angleter
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Postby Angleter » Thu Feb 05, 2015 5:53 pm

NAY
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Angleter
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Postby Angleter » Thu Feb 05, 2015 5:54 pm

The Nihilistic view wrote:
Nixon-Now wrote:*Talks on his phone as he notices a vote is occuring, and continues to do so until it is his turn.*
Nay.


"ORDER ORDER,

Mr Garrido the same goes for you, you will decease from your conversation or you will be ejected from the chamber."


Bit harsh, Mr. Speaker.
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Lucasaer
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Postby Lucasaer » Thu Feb 05, 2015 6:23 pm

AYE
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Kralta
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Collatis
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Postby Collatis » Thu Feb 05, 2015 8:03 pm

AYE

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Battlion
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Postby Battlion » Thu Feb 05, 2015 8:14 pm

AYE

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Collatis
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Postby Collatis » Thu Feb 05, 2015 8:14 pm

"I'm a little confused, are you talking about classes based on teaching the "one true faith" according to the school. Or about mandatory religious education that teaches about all faiths in a secular manner? Or maybe both."

"I wont speak for the senator but in context of the bill, its the former. The original debate arose out of clause 6j which prohibits mandatory religious ceremonies/ speeches; which was correctly stated to prohibit teaching of one 'true faith'."

Yes I was referring to mandatory classes that taught "the one true faith." I have no problem with classes that would teach about all faiths. In fact, that is a very good idea, in my opinion.

OOC: Sorry that it took me so long to respond

Dragomerian Islands wrote:"If they do not want to be taught something, then they should not go to that school. It is as simple as that. No one is forcing them to choose a religious school."

One of the most common reasons why parents send their kids to private school, is because the public school system in their district is not very good. However, as I am sure most people know, most private schools are very expensive, leaving parents' the only choice of religious, particularly Catholic, schools. Attending religious school could be some children's only chance to get a decent education. Religious classes should not be mandatory as shown by the above.
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Dragomerian Islands
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Postby Dragomerian Islands » Thu Feb 05, 2015 8:24 pm

Collatis wrote:
"I'm a little confused, are you talking about classes based on teaching the "one true faith" according to the school. Or about mandatory religious education that teaches about all faiths in a secular manner? Or maybe both."

"I wont speak for the senator but in context of the bill, its the former. The original debate arose out of clause 6j which prohibits mandatory religious ceremonies/ speeches; which was correctly stated to prohibit teaching of one 'true faith'."

Yes I was referring to mandatory classes that taught "the one true faith." I have no problem with classes that would teach about all faiths. In fact, that is a very good idea, in my opinion.

OOC: Sorry that it took me so long to respond

Dragomerian Islands wrote:"If they do not want to be taught something, then they should not go to that school. It is as simple as that. No one is forcing them to choose a religious school."

One of the most common reasons why parents send their kids to private school, is because the public school system in their district is not very good. However, as I am sure most people know, most private schools are very expensive, leaving parents' the only choice of religious, particularly Catholic, schools. Attending religious school could be some children's only chance to get a decent education. Religious classes should not be mandatory as shown by the above.

If they do not want a religious education, they should not attend a religious school.
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Collatis
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Postby Collatis » Thu Feb 05, 2015 8:27 pm

Dragomerian Islands wrote:If they do not want a religious education, they should not attend a religious school.

Sometimes that is their only option. Remember, religious schools can still have religious classes, just not mandatory ones. Is there any reason why they ought, or need, to be mandatory?

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Battlion
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Postby Battlion » Thu Feb 05, 2015 8:29 pm

Faith should not determine whether a child can go to a good school...

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Dragomerian Islands
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Postby Dragomerian Islands » Thu Feb 05, 2015 8:29 pm

Collatis wrote:
Dragomerian Islands wrote:If they do not want a religious education, they should not attend a religious school.

Sometimes that is their only option. Remember, religious schools can still have religious classes, just not mandatory ones. Is there any reason why they ought, or need, to be mandatory?

Religious schools are for religious education. If a place is a religious school, it must mandate religious education.
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The Nihilistic view
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Thu Feb 05, 2015 8:31 pm

Dragomerian Islands wrote:
Collatis wrote:
"I'm a little confused, are you talking about classes based on teaching the "one true faith" according to the school. Or about mandatory religious education that teaches about all faiths in a secular manner? Or maybe both."

"I wont speak for the senator but in context of the bill, its the former. The original debate arose out of clause 6j which prohibits mandatory religious ceremonies/ speeches; which was correctly stated to prohibit teaching of one 'true faith'."

Yes I was referring to mandatory classes that taught "the one true faith." I have no problem with classes that would teach about all faiths. In fact, that is a very good idea, in my opinion.

OOC: Sorry that it took me so long to respond


One of the most common reasons why parents send their kids to private school, is because the public school system in their district is not very good. However, as I am sure most people know, most private schools are very expensive, leaving parents' the only choice of religious, particularly Catholic, schools. Attending religious school could be some children's only chance to get a decent education. Religious classes should not be mandatory as shown by the above.

If they do not want a religious education, they should not attend a religious school.


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Zurkerx
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Postby Zurkerx » Thu Feb 05, 2015 8:34 pm

I vote Nay
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Sebastianbourg
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Postby Sebastianbourg » Thu Feb 05, 2015 8:45 pm

Aye.

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Soviet Canuckistan
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Postby Soviet Canuckistan » Thu Feb 05, 2015 9:38 pm

I vote to ABSTAIN
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People Who Say Ni
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Founded: Nov 13, 2013
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Postby People Who Say Ni » Thu Feb 05, 2015 10:42 pm

Aye
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Ainin
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Ainin » Thu Feb 05, 2015 11:18 pm

"Members of the House, be aware that I have appointed Maître Sabina Korsh as Director of the National Procuratorate. Thank you."
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Nixon-Now
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Postby Nixon-Now » Thu Feb 05, 2015 11:20 pm

Ainin wrote:"Members of the House, be aware that I have appointed Maître Sabina Korsh as Director of the National Procuratorate. Thank you."

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Gothmogs
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Postby Gothmogs » Thu Feb 05, 2015 11:24 pm

I vote aye.
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Ainin
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Postby Ainin » Thu Feb 05, 2015 11:26 pm

Point of personal privilege, Mr. Speaker. What are we voting on?
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The Liberated Territories
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Thu Feb 05, 2015 11:29 pm

Nay
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