NSG Senate Chamber: I came, I saw, I cleaned up after myself

[Planita]

"Why on Earth are we punishing citizens who do not wish to participate in a census?!"

What is the point of an accurate census if it is not mandatory to participate in it?

[The Nihilistic view]

"I feel like I have had this argument before. Must have been at the drafting stage."

[Atlanticatia]

"Now is not the time for some wishy-washy libertarian argument. Censuses are necessary for vital services and data collection, and sometimes we need to make things compulsory that some people obviously wouldn't do voluntarily. It is a civic duty."

[Davincia]

"Now is not the time for some wishy-washy libertarian argument. Censuses are necessary for vital services and data collection, and sometimes we need to make things compulsory that some people obviously wouldn't do voluntarily. It is a civic duty."

"Your interpretation of 'civic duty' is dangerously akin to coercion."

[Oneracon]

"Now is not the time for some wishy-washy libertarian argument. Censuses are necessary for vital services and data collection, and sometimes we need to make things compulsory that some people obviously wouldn't do voluntarily. It is a civic duty."

"Your interpretation of 'civic duty' is dangerously akin to coercion."

"The honourable member's sentiment is frankly ridiculous, all developed nations have a mandatory census. If the census were not mandatory how would there be any accuracy to the data?"

[Davincia]

"Your interpretation of 'civic duty' is dangerously akin to coercion."

"The honourable member's sentiment is frankly ridiculous, all developed nations have a mandatory census. If the census were not mandatory how would there be any accuracy to the data?"

"Using force to harvest data is not something to advocate. We are ignoring peoples' right to hold information to themselves, if they so wish to and if they have not broken the law. Lowering the maximum fine to something less degrading than $1,000 is the only sensible course of action in remedying the underlying issue of this bill. Not to mention that many of the topics of investigation cannot be guaranteed accurate, and the government has little ability to decipher the truth for those who may be dishonest."

[New Werpland]

"Now is not the time for some wishy-washy libertarian argument. Censuses are necessary for vital services and data collection, and sometimes we need to make things compulsory that some people obviously wouldn't do voluntarily. It is a civic duty."

In a rare moment of understanding with Senator Morales, Vladimiro stands up and applauds the statement.

[Geilinor]

"Now is not the time for some wishy-washy libertarian argument. Censuses are necessary for vital services and data collection, and sometimes we need to make things compulsory that some people obviously wouldn't do voluntarily. It is a civic duty."

"Your interpretation of 'civic duty' is dangerously akin to coercion."

"No more than paying taxes is dangerous."

[Planita]

"The honourable member's sentiment is frankly ridiculous, all developed nations have a mandatory census. If the census were not mandatory how would there be any accuracy to the data?"

"Using force to harvest data is not something to advocate. We are ignoring peoples' right to hold information to themselves, if they so wish to and if they have not broken the law. Lowering the maximum fine to something less degrading than $1,000 is the only sensible course of action in remedying the underlying issue of this bill. Not to mention that many of the topics of investigation cannot be guaranteed accurate, and the government has little ability to decipher the truth for those who may be dishonest."

Amanda sighs. "Libertarians" she mutters. "My I ask how you expect the government to operate if we don't even know the basic make up of our people? "

[Atlanticatia]

"The honourable member's sentiment is frankly ridiculous, all developed nations have a mandatory census. If the census were not mandatory how would there be any accuracy to the data?"

"Using force to harvest data is not something to advocate. We are ignoring peoples' right to hold information to themselves, if they so wish to and if they have not broken the law. Lowering the maximum fine to something less degrading than $1,000 is the only sensible course of action in remedying the underlying issue of this bill. Not to mention that many of the topics of investigation cannot be guaranteed accurate, and the government has little ability to decipher the truth for those who may be dishonest."

"As I said, some things are extremely important and the use of force is necessary to achieve them. The census is essential for providing public services, accurately serving communities, and knowing the makeup of the populace. If taxes were voluntary no one would pay them, but one would have to be a fool to suggest taxation should be voluntary, or that someone can opt out of going to prison if they commit a crime. I have no issue with passing a piece of legislation and then suggesting that we actually enforce it."

[Pantoufle]

Sorry, I've been inactive for a couple months....

[The New World Oceania]

Njil falls through the ceiling.

[MERIZoC]

Motion to amend the Census Act, Section 2 Article b, from "Any person who refuses to comply with the census, or provides false information, shall be liable to punishments not exceeding $1000." to "Any person who refuses to comply with the census, or knowingly provides false information, shall be liable to punishments not exceeding $1000."

I will also second this, as well as let it be known that this is a friendly amendment.

[Ikania]

Njil falls through the ceiling.

Esteban jumps back as a body crashes through the roof and onto the floor.

[Geilinor]

Motion to amend the Census Act, Section 2 Article b, from "Any person who refuses to comply with the census, or provides false information, shall be liable to punishments not exceeding $1000." to "Any person who refuses to comply with the census, or knowingly provides false information, shall be liable to punishments not exceeding $1000."

I will also second this, as well as let it be known that this is a friendly amendment.

I also second this.

[Collatis]

I will also second this, as well as let it be known that this is a friendly amendment.

I also second this.

I'll second this as well.

[Ainin]

"The motion carries. Mr. Tecu, you may amend it with this text at a time of your choosing prior to the vote."

"Up next is the Parliamentary Honorifics Act, proposed by Her Excellency Matilde Ojeda-Campos of the FDP, President of Calaverde."

[Britanno 2]

"A total waste of time made to make us feel good about ourselves."

[Ikania]

"Well, it's here in front of us, there's no changing that."

[Davincia]

"Well, I like not using honorifics for the sake of free speech, so... I'm good here."

[Lykens]

"A total waste of time made to make us feel good about ourselves."

"Maybe we should let Mister Rodriguez dictate the agenda of the house, since he seems to think we debate things not worth his time.

[The Sarian]

"A total waste of time made to make us feel good about ourselves."

Much like your contributions in this house.

[The New World Oceania]

Njil strongly weighs the pros and cons of being referred to as The Honorable and Learned and Reverend and Fabulous Alsafyr Njil MP.

[Collatis]

"I do like the idea of being the Right Honorable and Learned and Gallant Michael Giuliani MP..."

[MERIZoC]

Ah Puch Tecú thinks to himself that he might just like to be called the Honorable, Fabulous, and Learned Ah Puch Tecú.