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Postby Heraklea- » Sun Oct 25, 2015 4:55 pm

Wolfmanne2 wrote:
Not a Bang but a Whimper wrote:It's certainly early, but are there any thoughts on using a system like this for the government's structure?


Government Establishment Act

Author: Clint Webb (Ind.)
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An act to establish a framework and a state.


Article 1
The state shall be named the State of Dragay. Dragay shall be politically independent from any other state, with the privilege of having its own political authority, henceforth the "Government of Dragay", conducting its own elections, having responsibility for its own protection, existence, and defense. The Government of Dragay shall exclusively wield the privileges to impose fiscal laws on its citizens, to set its own budget, and to issue a currency as the legal tender in Dragay.

Article 2
Dragay shall have as political authorities the President of Dragay and the Prime Minister of Dragay as Heads of State and Government, respectively, and the Parliament and the Senate as the legislature. The principle of the rule of law shall be the basis of all government in Dragay. All authorities, powers, agencies, institutions and individuals shall be subject to law.

Article 3
The executive power shall be vested in the Prime Minister of Dragay. The Prime Minister shall lead the Office of the Prime Minister, the Parliament, and the Executive for a term of two months, to which they shall be appointed by the President on the basis of demonstrating the confidence of the Parliament. The Prime Ministerial inauguration shall consist of their placing of the right hand on the head of the President and their recitation of the oath, thereof: "I, (name), do solemnly and sincerely promise and swear that I will truly and faithfully, and to the best of my skill and knowledge, execute the powers and trust reposed in me as Prime Minister of Dragay. So help me God." The final word is optional. The Prime Minister shall appoint their Cabinet, which must be approved by each appointment individually by the Senate. The Prime Minister, should they desire to resign, shall be required to provide written resignation to the President.

Article 4
The Prime Minister must approve all legislation passed by the Parliament in order for it to become law. If the Prime Minister declines to sign approval to the legislation within two weeks, then the legislation automatically becomes law. If the Prime Minister vetoes the bill, it is sent to the Senate for revision, then back to the Parliament, which, if they vote in favor of it, sends it back to the Office of the Prime Minister, who then approves or vetoes it. If the Prime Minister again vetoes the bill, the President may reverse the veto with the assent of two-thirds of the Senate. If the Prime Minister approves of the legislation the first time it reaches their desk, the President may veto.

Article 5
The power of the Head of State shall be vested in the President of Dragay. The President shall lead the Office of the President, the Senate, and the Executive for four months, to which the momentary Senate on the end of term of the President preceding shall elect them. The President shall split any votes tied within the Senate. The President shall appoint a Prime Minister who commands the confidence of a majority of the Parliament. The President shall, upon the advice of the Foreign Minister and approval of the Senate, appoint all ambassadors, delegates, and representatives to foreign nations or international organizations. The President shall, upon advice of the Minister of Finance, provide assent to any bills solely concerned with taxation or spending, and no such bills shall be introduced to the legislature without gaining such assent.

Article 6
The legislature may invoke impeachment against the Prime Minister for maladministration, or conduct criminal or unbecoming of their position by petition of one quarter of the legislature. The Parliament must then, by a two-thirds majority and with permission from the Senate, ratify the petition against the Prime Minister after proceedings carried out before the Parliament, the Senate prosecuting, the Cabinet defending, and the President presiding. The proceedings shall be carried out in accordance with relevant legislation. The legislature may invoke impeachment against any Minister for maladministration, or conduct criminal or unbecoming of their position by petition of one quarter of the Parliament. The Senate shall hear a closed-doors case against the Minister, Speaker prosecuting and Prime Minister defending.The President, Prime Minister, or Cabinet members need not divulge information to any court unless compelled by the Senate.

Article 7
The Cabinet shall be appointed by the Prime Minister and approved by the Senate, and it shall be composed of the Deputy Prime Minister, the Foreign Minister, the Finance Minister, other members as required by law, and members at the discretion of the Prime Minister. The Cabinet shall advise the Prime Minister and serve a term of two months.

Article 8
The lower house of the legislature shall be the Parliament, composed of one Member from each constituency. All legislation shall originate from the Parliament. The presiding officer of the Parliament shall be the Speaker, elected by the Parliament at the opening of each session. The presiding officer of the Senate shall be the President. Any Member of Parliament may table any legible legislation with at least six sponsors and authors combined in support of its debate, or legislation with approval from the Prime Minister and one other member of the Cabinet. Legislation shall be debated at the Speaker's discretion or as determined by law, then voted upon with votes easily determinable as in favor, against, or abstaining from the legislation. Legislation passes with 50% plus one vote in favor. Legislation may be amended or withdrawn with consent of half of the sponsors and authors any time before voting begins, or by simple majority of the Senate. Any Member of Parliament may raise a point of order to question the legitimacy of legislation or proceedings. The Speaker shall rule the objection sustained or dilatory, which any Member of Parliament may appeal to the Senate. The appeal shall not put a hold on proceedings and any contradictory actions will be repealed if the appeal is upheld. Any Member may move, with eight seconds, to bind a main motion or a restorative motion. With five seconds, one may move for a subsidiary, incidental, or privileged motion, but these are subject to overruling by the Speaker, subject to objection. No Member shall be arrested on the floor except with permission from the Speaker, President, or Senate. Members shall be expected to maintain composure and respect within the chambers of Parliament, eventually as specified by legislation on the matter.

Article 9
The upper house shall be the Senate, composed of six members elected by single-transferable vote. The Senate shall be the upper house, but shall not introduce or vote on legislation. Senators shall hold terms of four months. The President shall preside over the Senate. The President may vote in the Senate only to break ties. All diplomatic agreements and treaties shall be negotiated and agreed upon on the behalf of the Senate, however subject to approval by the Prime Minister prior to becoming law. The President and the Prime Minister shall cooperatively serve as commanders-in-chief of the armed forces. The Senate shall assist them and have the capacity to declare war and peace. The Senate shall have the right to grant pardon to any individual convicted of any crime with sole exception of impeachment proceedings. The Senate shall have the exclusive right to introduce budgetary legislation. The Senate shall hear legislative and procedural appeals and shall be the court of final instance for civil and administrative appeals. The Senate shall declare states of emergency as advised by the President and Prime Minister.

Article 10
No legislation shall be unamendable or unrepealable.

Just let the Admins flesh out the details if you ask me.

Actually, the lot of us all decide on things like that.

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Postby Costa Fierro » Sun Oct 25, 2015 4:59 pm

Dragay is a shit name. If Heraklea was willing to allow a name that didn't start with D, we would have a better alternative already.

Also, couple of issues:

Dragay shall have as political authorities the President of Dragay and the Prime Minister of Dragay as Heads of State and Government, respectively, and the Parliament and the Senate as the legislature. The principle of the rule of law shall be the basis of all government in Dragay. All authorities, powers, agencies, institutions and individuals shall be subject to law.


Why is there a President? I was under the impression the gay dragon nightclub was ruled as a monarchy.

The executive power shall be vested in the Prime Minister of Dragay.


So what is the point of having a President if they do nothing?

The Prime Minister must approve all legislation passed by the Parliament in order for it to become law.


Why? That defeats the whole point of executive power. Also, most countries have veto powers for a reason.

The Cabinet shall be appointed by the Prime Minister and approved by the Senate


You mean Parliament? There's no Senate here. It says "NSG Senate" but it essentially functions as a unicameral Parliament. You've also used the term "Parliament" so which is it?

The upper house shall be the Senate, composed of six members elected by single-transferable vote.


Too complicated.
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Postby Heraklea- » Sun Oct 25, 2015 5:02 pm

IT MUST START WITH A D!

Actually, I don't really care all that much and I'm fine with a different name. It just tickles me quite a bit to have our names progress thusly.

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Postby Ikania » Sun Oct 25, 2015 5:04 pm

I propose we don't have a Parliament. Instead, we have a Senate.

No difference except in name. Senator sounds better than MP, plus we're the NSG Senate after all. We've always done Parliaments. Why not a change?

Or maybe we shake it up and have a bicameral legislature. Either way, I want a Senate.
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Sun Oct 25, 2015 5:05 pm

Heraklea- wrote:IT MUST START WITH A D!

Actually, I don't really care all that much and I'm fine with a different name. It just tickles me quite a bit to have our names progress thusly.


Um no. We are not changing the name. Its already in use. You can't make everyone change like that.
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Postby Ikania » Sun Oct 25, 2015 5:07 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:
Heraklea- wrote:IT MUST START WITH A D!

Actually, I don't really care all that much and I'm fine with a different name. It just tickles me quite a bit to have our names progress thusly.


Um no. We are not changing the name. Its already in use. You can't make everyone change like that.

Um, yeah. It's not in stone yet, and it's also a shit name.
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Postby Costa Fierro » Sun Oct 25, 2015 5:07 pm

Ikania wrote:I propose we don't have a Parliament. Instead, we have a Senate.

No difference except in name. Senator sounds better than MP, plus we're the NSG Senate after all. We've always done Parliaments. Why not a change?

Or maybe we shake it up and have a bicameral legislature. Either way, I want a Senate.


I'd rather we just operate as a unicameral legislature under a monarchy. It saves having extra complications around elections and we get to RP as something different for a change.

Heraklea- wrote:IT MUST START WITH A D!

Actually, I don't really care all that much and I'm fine with a different name. It just tickles me quite a bit to have our names progress thusly.


And I officially propose "Varland" as a name.
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Sun Oct 25, 2015 5:09 pm

Ikania wrote:
The New Sea Territory wrote:
Um no. We are not changing the name. Its already in use. You can't make everyone change like that.

Um, yeah. It's not in stone yet, and it's also a shit name.


It's not "in stone" but it is in plenty of official party stuff, notably my new Union account name.
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Postby Ikania » Sun Oct 25, 2015 5:11 pm

What about 'Hjalmark' or 'Hjaalmark'
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Sun Oct 25, 2015 5:12 pm

Heraklea- wrote:Given the setting, I propose we have a Ting or Thing (Assembly) of some variation.

Thing
Althing
Storting
Folketing


it would be alþing, storþing, folkeþing, ect.

The "þ" is a glide vowel, so it's pronounced somewhat like a soft "j," or silent.
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Sun Oct 25, 2015 5:13 pm

Ikania wrote:What about 'Hjalmark' or 'Hjaalmark'


Field of helmets?
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Sun Oct 25, 2015 5:13 pm

Ikania wrote:What about 'Hjalmark' or 'Hjaalmark'


Can we name the capital city Morthal, then?
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Postby Ikania » Sun Oct 25, 2015 5:15 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:
Ikania wrote:What about 'Hjalmark' or 'Hjaalmark'


Can we name the capital city Morthal, then?

;)

that was the inspiration behind it, but even this unoriginal name is better than dragay.
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Postby Costa Fierro » Sun Oct 25, 2015 5:19 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:
Heraklea- wrote:IT MUST START WITH A D!

Actually, I don't really care all that much and I'm fine with a different name. It just tickles me quite a bit to have our names progress thusly.


Um no. We are not changing the name. Its already in use. You can't make everyone change like that.


Yes we are.

It's not "in stone" but it is in plenty of official party stuff, notably my new Union account name.


So make another one.
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Postby Not a Bang but a Whimper » Sun Oct 25, 2015 5:23 pm

Ikania wrote:I propose we don't have a Parliament. Instead, we have a Senate.

No difference except in name. Senator sounds better than MP, plus we're the NSG Senate after all. We've always done Parliaments. Why not a change?

Or maybe we shake it up and have a bicameral legislature. Either way, I want a Senate.

The bill I just posted proposes a bicameral system. One house that includes everyone and one that has people elected to it by STV.

The names for the two bodies or the offices aren't set in stone. This is just a preliminary proposal.
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Postby Ikania » Sun Oct 25, 2015 5:23 pm

Drajkmyr? Drakmar. Drakmir. Something like that. Better than Dragay.
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Postby Britanno 2 » Sun Oct 25, 2015 5:26 pm

Anything beginning with a D will do.
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Postby Ikania » Sun Oct 25, 2015 5:27 pm

Dangaard. Hjalgard. Hjalgaard. Something.
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Sun Oct 25, 2015 5:28 pm

Costa Fierro wrote:
It's not "in stone" but it is in plenty of official party stuff, notably my new Union account name.


So make another one.


...next time you work on something for a while, I remember to tell you to just "start over".
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Postby Ikania » Sun Oct 25, 2015 5:31 pm

Danvegr. Something Vegr. Anyone?
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Postby Not a Bang but a Whimper » Sun Oct 25, 2015 5:31 pm

Denecaep.
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Postby Ikania » Sun Oct 25, 2015 5:34 pm

yas
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Postby Ikania » Sun Oct 25, 2015 5:39 pm

What about Austurmark? Austur is East in Icelandic, and being in the Norwegian Sea, we would be indeed east of Iceland. Maybe the people who named our country were marking it down as East of Iceland as a stop between Danmark/Norway and Vinland. Or Austurvegr, which means 'Eastern Honor'. We could create something cool behind that.
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Postby Davincia » Sun Oct 25, 2015 5:39 pm

Ikania wrote:Dangaard. Hjalgard. Hjalgaard. Something.

I like Dangaard.
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