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[New Werpland]

Fuck yeah it's gonna be a thing.

But it makes no historical sense. Are we really saying that no local ruler converted to Christianity for 30 pieces of silver and slaughtered the Pagans, that the Northern Crusade or any other Scandinavian country touched Dragay (and if we look at what Sweden did to Finland, that makes sense), that no witchhunts occurred, that no religious conflicts that the more advanced and organised Christians would have won etc? I mean a popular revivalist movement would be different, but this makes absolutely no sense.

Don't worry, we can vote for more realistic demographics when it comes time.

[The New Sea Territory]

35% pagans? Is that really going to be a thing?

I think Dragay should have the largest pagan population (by percentage) in the world. Currently, the highest percentage of Pagans I've seen is in Abkhazia (2003 census says 8% of the population is pagan).

So, upwards of that significantly. 35% might be a bit too much, but between 15% and 25% seems reasonable.

[New Werpland]

35% pagans? Is that really going to be a thing?

I think Dragay should have the largest pagan population (by percentage) in the world. Currently, the highest percentage of Pagans I've seen is in Abkhazia (2003 census says 8% of the population is pagan).

So, upwards of that significantly. 35% might be a bit too much, but between 15% and 25% seems reasonable.

8% pagans in Abkhazia? I don't know about that, though the Orthodox Church could be seen as pagan.

[The New Sea Territory]

Fuck yeah it's gonna be a thing.

But it makes no historical sense. Are we really saying that no local ruler converted to Christianity for 30 pieces of silver and slaughtered the Pagans, that the Northern Crusade or any other Scandinavian country touched Dragay (and if we look at what Sweden did to Finland, that makes sense), that no witchhunts occurred, that no religious conflicts that the more advanced and organised Christians would have won etc? I mean a popular revivalist movement would be different, but this makes absolutely no sense.

Perhaps small, rural communities were never fully Christianized (if we have mountains, when we make a map, we could say the mountainfolk never embraced Christianity). Due to the laziness of the local ruler, and the easily defensible mountain terrain, this small pagan population survived through to today.

We could say that pagan reconstructionism began right before the First World War, intermingled with the small mountain communities and spread naturally from there to where it is today. That's a hundred years of growth from the 3-5% of Dragay that was pagan at the start of WW1 due to the survival of paganism in the mountains/rural areas.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

35% pagans? Is that really going to be a thing?

I think Dragay should have the largest pagan population (by percentage) in the world. Currently, the highest percentage of Pagans I've seen is in Abkhazia (2003 census says 8% of the population is pagan).

So, upwards of that significantly. 35% might be a bit too much, but between 15% and 25% seems reasonable.

Considering how small and isolated we are, anyway, I don't think having a semi-decent pagan population (partially as a result of a late intellectual revival) is too out-there.

Not that I really fucking care. I'm here to have fun, not convince the rest of the world our fictional roleplay nation is totally conceivable and would fit exactly into the world as we know it.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

But it makes no historical sense. Are we really saying that no local ruler converted to Christianity for 30 pieces of silver and slaughtered the Pagans, that the Northern Crusade or any other Scandinavian country touched Dragay (and if we look at what Sweden did to Finland, that makes sense), that no witchhunts occurred, that no religious conflicts that the more advanced and organised Christians would have won etc? I mean a popular revivalist movement would be different, but this makes absolutely no sense.

Perhaps small, rural communities were never fully Christianized (if we have mountains, when we make a map, we could say the mountainfolk never embraced Christianity). Due to the laziness of the local ruler, and the easily defensible mountain terrain, this small pagan population survived through to today.

We could say that pagan reconstructionism began right before the First World War, intermingled with the small mountain communities and spread naturally from there to where it is today. That's a hundred years of growth from the 3-5% of Dragay that was pagan at the start of WW1 due to the survival of paganism in the mountains/rural areas.

And there we have it.

[Old Tyrannia]

I think Dragay should have the largest pagan population (by percentage) in the world. Currently, the highest percentage of Pagans I've seen is in Abkhazia (2003 census says 8% of the population is pagan).

So, upwards of that significantly. 35% might be a bit too much, but between 15% and 25% seems reasonable.

8% pagans in Abkhazia? I don't know about that, though the Orthodox Church could be seen as pagan.

I'm pretty sure any Orthodox Christian would find that extremely offensive.

[New Werpland]

Perhaps small, rural communities were never fully Christianized (if we have mountains, when we make a map, we could say the mountainfolk never embraced Christianity). Due to the laziness of the local ruler, and the easily defensible mountain terrain, this small pagan population survived through to today.

First of all I find it surprising that the local ruler would be that lazy about fulfilling what would probably have been thought of as an extremely virtuous act. And if it were not him his descendants or neighbors would surely do it for him.

We could say that pagan reconstructionism began right before the First World War, intermingled with the small mountain communities and spread naturally from there to where it is today. That's a hundred years of growth from the 3-5% of Dragay that was pagan at the start of WW1 due to the survival of paganism in the mountains/rural areas.

I'm ok with pagan reconstructionism, but it's more realistic to have it begin around 60s and 70s in relation to cultural revolution and whatnot.

[The New Sea Territory]

I think Dragay should have the largest pagan population (by percentage) in the world. Currently, the highest percentage of Pagans I've seen is in Abkhazia (2003 census says 8% of the population is pagan).

So, upwards of that significantly. 35% might be a bit too much, but between 15% and 25% seems reasonable.

8% pagans in Abkhazia? I don't know about that, though the Orthodox Church could be seen as pagan.

As of 2003, paganism is at 8%, tied with "no religion", behind Islam (16%) and Christianity (60%). Post-Soviet countries have had an explosion in revival movements. Abkhazia's small size makes it easy for that to spread.

To put it in perspective, neopaganism is 1.2% in Russia, where atheism and irreligious views seem to be more prevalent.

[New Werpland]

8% pagans in Abkhazia? I don't know about that, though the Orthodox Church could be seen as pagan.

I'm pretty sure any Orthodox Christian would find that extremely offensive.

As a person with heavy relations to a country that follows Orthodox Christianity, I find people defending it extremely offensive.

But let's not start a debate.

[The New Sea Territory]

Perhaps small, rural communities were never fully Christianized (if we have mountains, when we make a map, we could say the mountainfolk never embraced Christianity). Due to the laziness of the local ruler, and the easily defensible mountain terrain, this small pagan population survived through to today.

First of all I find it surprising that the local ruler would be that lazy about fulfilling what would probably have been thought of as an extremely virtuous act. And if it were not him his descendants or neighbors would surely do it for him.

We could say that pagan reconstructionism began right before the First World War, intermingled with the small mountain communities and spread naturally from there to where it is today. That's a hundred years of growth from the 3-5% of Dragay that was pagan at the start of WW1 due to the survival of paganism in the mountains/rural areas.

I'm ok with pagan reconstructionism, but it's more realistic to have it begin around 60s and 70s in relation to cultural revolution and whatnot.

First, that was not intended to be a serious comment. Still, if that seems too vague, try this:

In the 830s (placeholder date, can be debated), Christianity arrived in Dragay via traders from southern shores. A number of these traders set up small port settlements, and with them, small churches. Confrontations with local pagan beliefs were limited to tavern brawls, mostly. It wasn't until Someone Placeholderson, son of King Somebody, converted to the faith that things became serious. He lost his claim to the throne, and his brother had him thrown off a cliff once he was made king. His legacy survives today as St. Placeholderson of Dragay.

By the late 900s, Christianity had become the majority religion. Through natural spread, the population of the major urban areas and along the coast embraced Christianity. In 997, King Randomname the II was baptized with his whole family, outraging the conservative pagan minority in the north. In a last desperate attempt to rid themselves of Christianity, the pagans rebelled. King Randomname escaped the capital but his sons were killed, leaving no Christian heirs to the throne. This ongoing period of war continued for nearly a decade, until self-proclaimed King, John Doe, lead the Christian armies deep into the north and slaughtered the remnants of the pagan army. What left of local militia retreated into the mountains, fortified their few towns, and waited out the winter.

John Doe's armies tried repeatedly to invade the remnants to the north, but his armies never made it up the mountainside. By 1011, John Doe signed a treaty with pagan leaders, which allowed these mountain people to keep fortifications and a standing militia, but required them to recognize Christianity as the official religion of the newly centralized Kingdom of Dragay. The pagan leaders, not caring about the official religion of what they saw to be an illegitimate, though powerful, monarch, signed the treaty, but continued to practice their faith without any problems, even after the clauses granting them militias were revoked. After a century, people became tired of religious wars, and the King largely ignored this small portion of the population.

[The New Sea Territory]

We could say that pagan reconstructionism began right before the First World War, intermingled with the small mountain communities and spread naturally from there to where it is today. That's a hundred years of growth from the 3-5% of Dragay that was pagan at the start of WW1 due to the survival of paganism in the mountains/rural areas.

I'm ok with pagan reconstructionism, but it's more realistic to have it begin around 60s and 70s in relation to cultural revolution and whatnot.

With this history, it makes sense to happen earlier, due to the surge in nationalism before and during WW1.

However, it makes sense that, during the 60s and 70s, pagan reconstructionism grew much more significantly than it did during the World Wars.

[The New Sea Territory]

I think Dragay should have the largest pagan population (by percentage) in the world. Currently, the highest percentage of Pagans I've seen is in Abkhazia (2003 census says 8% of the population is pagan).

So, upwards of that significantly. 35% might be a bit too much, but between 15% and 25% seems reasonable.

Considering how small and isolated we are, anyway, I don't think having a semi-decent pagan population (partially as a result of a late intellectual revival) is too out-there.

Not that I really fucking care. I'm here to have fun, not convince the rest of the world our fictional roleplay nation is totally conceivable and would fit exactly into the world as we know it.

We could say paganism grew in waves. The first wave being before WW1, the second after WW2 (intellectual revival) and the third during the cultural revolution.

[Wolfmanne2]

Perhaps small, rural communities were never fully Christianized (if we have mountains, when we make a map, we could say the mountainfolk never embraced Christianity). Due to the laziness of the local ruler, and the easily defensible mountain terrain, this small pagan population survived through to today.

We could say that pagan reconstructionism began right before the First World War, intermingled with the small mountain communities and spread naturally from there to where it is today. That's a hundred years of growth from the 3-5% of Dragay that was pagan at the start of WW1 due to the survival of paganism in the mountains/rural areas.

And there we have it.

Yes, we have it. A plausible and realistic explanation. Not too hard hard isn't it?

[The New Sea Territory]

And there we have it.

Yes, we have it. A plausible and realistic explanation. Not too hard hard isn't it?

See: more detailed explanation.

As for actual demographics, 15-25% of the population being pagan would make us the most pagan country in the world by percentage (significantly), but obviously not by population (1.2% of Russia is probably bigger than our island).

Do we have an estimate for population?

[Murkwood]

Anyone wanna help make a thread for the Lutheran Church of Dragay?

[Irona]

Is anyone thinking about founding a far-left libertarian party?

[The New Sea Territory]

Is anyone thinking about founding a far-left libertarian party?

They generally don't go that well. I ran the Free Socialist Party in Baltonia. It was decent but got boring.

Anyway, the Revolutionary Socialist Party is the most libertarian far-left party around.

[Ikania]

Is anyone thinking about founding a far-left libertarian party?

They generally don't go that well. I ran the Free Socialist Party in Baltonia. It was decent but got boring.

Anyway, the Revolutionary Socialist Party is the most libertarian far-left party around.

Far left maybe, but we're pretty much the opposite of libertarian.

[Ravenflight]

Is anyone thinking about founding a far-left libertarian party?

They generally don't go that well. I ran the Free Socialist Party in Baltonia. It was decent but got boring.

Anyway, the Revolutionary Socialist Party is the most libertarian far-left party around.

Join us Comrades!!!

[Irona]

They generally don't go that well. I ran the Free Socialist Party in Baltonia. It was decent but got boring.

Anyway, the Revolutionary Socialist Party is the most libertarian far-left party around.

Far left maybe, but we're pretty much the opposite of libertarian.

Yeah that's what I thought

[The New Sea Territory]

They generally don't go that well. I ran the Free Socialist Party in Baltonia. It was decent but got boring.

Anyway, the Revolutionary Socialist Party is the most libertarian far-left party around.

Far left maybe, but we're pretty much the opposite of libertarian.

You're more libertarian than the Tuva's party.

[Ikania]

Far left maybe, but we're pretty much the opposite of libertarian.

You're more libertarian than the Tuva's party.

They're false Commies. The revolution will do with them what we did with Trotsky.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Far left maybe, but we're pretty much the opposite of libertarian.

Yeah that's what I thought

*shrugs* It's not like we're conservatives. *spits* Socially, you have some leg room, if you'd like to come on over.

[Ainin]

It's been 36 hours and the socialist left has already splintered into three parties.

Geez, no wonder Trotsky couldn't keep the Third International together...