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Postby Ainin » Tue Feb 03, 2015 11:07 pm

Patria Magna wrote:"Not only does this bill legalize murder,

If I see this argument ever again, I swear I'm going to lose it.

Please, open a dictionary and look up murder.
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Postby Lykens » Tue Feb 03, 2015 11:17 pm

Ainin wrote:
Patria Magna wrote:"Not only does this bill legalize murder,

If I see this argument ever again, I swear I'm going to lose it.

Please, open a dictionary and look up murder.

Can this be post of the year?
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Postby CENTRALISED POLICE AUTHORITY » Wed Feb 04, 2015 7:12 am

So... Who's the Police?
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Postby Calimera II » Wed Feb 04, 2015 7:34 am

Lykens wrote:
Ainin wrote:If I see this argument ever again, I swear I'm going to lose it.

Please, open a dictionary and look up murder.

Can this be post of the year?

No.

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Postby The Nihilistic view » Wed Feb 04, 2015 7:37 am

Calimera II wrote:
Lykens wrote:Can this be post of the year?

No.


Can this be post of the year?
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Postby Patria Magna » Wed Feb 04, 2015 8:30 am

Ainin wrote:
Patria Magna wrote:"Not only does this bill legalize murder,

If I see this argument ever again, I swear I'm going to lose it.

Please, open a dictionary and look up murder.


"Here you go, Senator. From Wikitionary- "1. (countable) An act of deliberate killing of another being, especially a human.  [quotations ▼]
There have been ten unsolved murders this year alone.
2. (uncountable) The crime of deliberate killing of another human.  [quotations ▼]
The defendant was charged with murder."

"As you can see, Senator, abortion kills another, human being and is thus murder."
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Postby New Zepuha » Wed Feb 04, 2015 8:44 am

CENTRALISED POLICE AUTHORITY wrote:So... Who's the Police?

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Postby Calimera II » Wed Feb 04, 2015 8:46 am

The Nihilistic view wrote:
Calimera II wrote:No.


Can this be post of the year?

Yes.

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Postby Ainin » Wed Feb 04, 2015 8:50 am

Patria Magna wrote:
Ainin wrote:If I see this argument ever again, I swear I'm going to lose it.

Please, open a dictionary and look up murder.


"Here you go, Senator. From Wikitionary- "1. (countable) An act of deliberate killing of another being, especially a human.  [quotations ▼]
There have been ten unsolved murders this year alone.
2. (uncountable) The crime of deliberate killing of another human.  [quotations ▼]
The defendant was charged with murder."

"As you can see, Senator, abortion kills another, human being and is thus murder."

Wiktionary is user-generated, and, unlike Wikipedia, lacks citations, making it completely unreliable. Do you not own an actual dictionary?
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Postby New Zepuha » Wed Feb 04, 2015 9:00 am

Murder - the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.

If abortion was against the law, then one could justify it as murder.
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Postby Ainin » Wed Feb 04, 2015 9:03 am

New Zepuha wrote:Murder - the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.

If abortion was against the law, then one could justify it as murder.

Exactly, that's the point. Murder isn't the act of killing someone, it's the crime of having killed someone in a way banned by the law.

And (almost) no country on Earth actually gives foetuses personhood, so they just make abortion a civil wrong. I.E. Not murder.
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Postby Dragomerian Islands » Wed Feb 04, 2015 9:03 am

New Zepuha wrote:Murder - the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.

If abortion was against the law, then one could justify it as murder.

Murder is the act of killing regardless of legality. Murder is a synonym of kill.
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Postby Ainin » Wed Feb 04, 2015 9:04 am

Dragomerian Islands wrote:
New Zepuha wrote:Murder - the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.

If abortion was against the law, then one could justify it as murder.

Murder is the act of killing regardless of legality. Murder is a synonym of kill.

"The goldfish was murdered by an excessive quantity of soap in Lake Michigan."

Yeah, no.
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Postby Dragomerian Islands » Wed Feb 04, 2015 9:07 am

Ainin wrote:
Dragomerian Islands wrote:Murder is the act of killing regardless of legality. Murder is a synonym of kill.

"The goldfish was murdered by an excessive quantity of soap in Lake Michigan."

Yeah, no.

Yeah, you are perverting the meaning of the word.
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Postby New Zepuha » Wed Feb 04, 2015 9:07 am

Dragomerian Islands wrote:
New Zepuha wrote:Murder - the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.

If abortion was against the law, then one could justify it as murder.

Murder is the act of killing regardless of legality. Murder is a synonym of kill.

I literally just gave you the definition of Murder. I will cite two different law dictionaries.

Black's Law Dictionary: http://thelawdictionary.org/murder/

And a free Legal Dictionary: http://dictionary.law.com/Default.aspx?selected=1303

n. the killing of a human being by a sane person, with intent, malice aforethought (prior intention to kill the particular victim or anyone who gets in the way) and with no legal excuse or authority. In those clear circumstances, this is first degree murder. In those clear circumstances, this is first degree murder. By statute, many states consider a killing in which there is torture, movement of the person before the killing (kidnapping) or the death of a police officer or prison guard, or it was as an incident to another crime (as during a hold-up or rape), to be first degree murder, with or without premeditation and with malice presumed. Second degree murder is such a killing without premeditation, as in the heat of passion or in a sudden quarrel or fight. Malice in second degree murder may be implied from a death due to the reckless lack of concern for the life of others (such as firing a gun into a crowd or bashing someone with any deadly weapon). Depending on the circumstances and state laws, murder in the first or second degree may be chargeable to a person who did not actually kill, but was involved in a crime with a partner who actually did the killing or someone died as the result of the crime. Example: In a liquor store stick-up in which the clerk shoots back at the hold-up man and kills a bystander, the armed robber can be convicted of at least second degree murder. A charge of murder requires that the victim must die within a year of the attack. Death of an unborn child who is "quick" (fetus is moving) can be murder, provided there was premeditation, malice and no legal authority. Thus, abortion is not murder under the law. Example: Jack Violent shoots his pregnant girlfriend, killing the fetus. Manslaughter, both voluntary and involuntary, lacks the element of malice aforethought.
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Postby Ainin » Wed Feb 04, 2015 9:15 am

Dragomerian Islands wrote:
Ainin wrote:"The goldfish was murdered by an excessive quantity of soap in Lake Michigan."

Yeah, no.

Yeah, you are perverting the meaning of the word.

What the hell are you talking about?

Murder is definitely not a synonym of kill. There's so many sentences where the word kill would make perfect sense and the word murder would make none, or would completely change the meaning.

"The Liverpool fan was murdered after a human crush incident at the football pitch."
"We murdered the computer system's firewall to reboot the server."
"The air defence system murdered the incoming missile."
"Chlorination of water supply infrastructure murders harmful pathogens."
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Postby Dragomerian Islands » Wed Feb 04, 2015 9:18 am

Ainin wrote:
Dragomerian Islands wrote:Yeah, you are perverting the meaning of the word.

What the hell are you talking about?

Murder is definitely not a synonym of kill. There's so many sentences where the word kill would make perfect sense and the word murder would make none, or would completely change the meaning.

"The Liverpool fan was murdered after a human crush incident at the football pitch."
"We murdered the computer system's firewall to reboot the server."
"The air defence system murdered the incoming missile."
"Chlorination of water supply infrastructure murders harmful pathogens."

As I said, "You are perverting the meaning that was clearly stated.
1. Murder applies to humans
2. murder requires intention to do it.
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Postby Ainin » Wed Feb 04, 2015 9:20 am

Dragomerian Islands wrote:Murder is the act of killing regardless of legality. Murder is a synonym of kill.

So you either don't know what "kill" means, or what "synonym" means.
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Postby Dragomerian Islands » Wed Feb 04, 2015 9:22 am

Ainin wrote:
Dragomerian Islands wrote:Murder is the act of killing regardless of legality. Murder is a synonym of kill.

So you either don't know what "kill" means, or what "synonym" means.

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Postby New Zepuha » Wed Feb 04, 2015 9:25 am

Ainin wrote:
Dragomerian Islands wrote:Murder is the act of killing regardless of legality. Murder is a synonym of kill.

So you either don't know what "kill" means, or what "synonym" means.

Just stop, it's clear you are beating a brick wall with your fists. There is no point in continuing if he will not even look at the proof before him.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Wed Feb 04, 2015 9:34 am

New Zepuha wrote:
Ainin wrote:So you either don't know what "kill" means, or what "synonym" means.

Just stop, it's clear you are beating a brick wall with your fists. There is no point in continuing if he will not even look at the proof before him.


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It will be announced within a couple days; we've been having very lengthy deliberations.
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Postby Lucasaer » Wed Feb 04, 2015 10:39 am

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