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MERIZoC
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Postby MERIZoC » Fri Jan 02, 2015 12:07 pm

Maryginia wrote:
New Zepuha wrote:The Senator should really answer the questions publically, it's not only the point of having questions here but it damages one's credibility and transparency.

OOC: He's saying he answered it in his bio.

OOC: It's still rather annoying to have to go back to the bio to look for it. Everyone else is answering questions the normal way.

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Geilinor
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Postby Geilinor » Fri Jan 02, 2015 2:19 pm

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Divitaen
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Postby Divitaen » Fri Jan 02, 2015 11:35 pm

Dendart wrote:
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As an individual raised as a Catholic who converted out of the religion in the university before converting back in adulthood, I have to say that the pro-life dogma, as well as the Church's stance on contraception and homosexuality, were all key reasons for me desiring to leave the faith at an early age. As a liberal Catholic, I believe that the Bible clearly allows for abortion, as Exodus 22:21 states that the punishment for killing a foetus while leaving the mother unharmed is clearly only a fine, and the fact that this law was under a list of laws involving property and theft suggests that foetuses were considered, in God's eyes, the property of the mother rather than an independent human life. Biology also tells us that a foetus does not fit the biological and physiological definition of personhood as its basic anatomy is still in development. Most importantly of all, the Catholic faith is not one that can be imposed on the people of Calaverde who are of a diversity of faiths, and women ought to have sovereignty over their bodies to make their own choices on reproductive health.


So you dont accept the teachings of the church's magisterium?


Unfortunately, I don't, and there are many Catholics, especially women, who find themselves unable to reconcile their faith with the Church's stance on abortion and contraception, as well as many gay Catholics who find themselves torn because of the Church's strict stance on homosexuality. As a liberal Catholic I believe the church authorities have a responsibility to be more inclusive. I am hopeful that Pope Francis will move towards a relaxation on these areas, but until then devout, faithful Catholics will continue to be torn on these issues.
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The Union of the West
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Postby The Union of the West » Fri Jan 02, 2015 11:41 pm

Senator Aaldrik Reijnders is open for questions!
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Postby Divitaen » Sat Jan 03, 2015 12:34 am



Apologies if this questions is rather personal, but do you believe that the tragic demise of your uncle Francois at the hands of the brutal military junta played an impact in your desire to enter politics?
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Divitaen
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Postby Divitaen » Sat Jan 03, 2015 12:35 am

The Union of the West wrote:Senator Aaldrik Reijnders is open for questions!


Senator if you ever had the chance to implement a voucher system of healthcare, would the distribution be for universal coverage or means-tested?
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The Union of the West
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Postby The Union of the West » Sat Jan 03, 2015 12:38 am

Divitaen wrote:
The Union of the West wrote:Senator Aaldrik Reijnders is open for questions!


Senator if you ever had the chance to implement a voucher system of healthcare, would the distribution be for universal coverage or means-tested?

It would be universal.
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Postby Divitaen » Sat Jan 03, 2015 12:47 am

The Union of the West wrote:
Divitaen wrote:
Senator if you ever had the chance to implement a voucher system of healthcare, would the distribution be for universal coverage or means-tested?

It would be universal.


Why not implement a state-run universal health care system then, since it would be more cost-effective? Isn't there a risk of private sector healthcare using increasingly expensive medical procedures, safe in the knowledge that consumers do not feel the cost?
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Postby The Union of the West » Sat Jan 03, 2015 12:52 am

Divitaen wrote:
The Union of the West wrote:It would be universal.


Why not implement a state-run universal health care system then, since it would be more cost-effective? Isn't there a risk of private sector healthcare using increasingly expensive medical procedures, safe in the knowledge that consumers do not feel the cost?

I hardly see how it would be more cost-effective.
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Postby Divitaen » Sat Jan 03, 2015 12:55 am

The Union of the West wrote:
Divitaen wrote:
Why not implement a state-run universal health care system then, since it would be more cost-effective? Isn't there a risk of private sector healthcare using increasingly expensive medical procedures, safe in the knowledge that consumers do not feel the cost?

I hardly see how it would be more cost-effective.


Wouldn't it produce the problem of supplier-induced demand, with private hospitals taking advantage of the system to prescribe excessive medical procedures for profit? Since you support universal coverage, why not implement a universal healthcare system like the NHS?
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Postby The Union of the West » Sat Jan 03, 2015 1:04 am

Divitaen wrote:
The Union of the West wrote:I hardly see how it would be more cost-effective.


Wouldn't it produce the problem of supplier-induced demand, with private hospitals taking advantage of the system to prescribe excessive medical procedures for profit? Since you support universal coverage, why not implement a universal healthcare system like the NHS?

I recognize the advantages of a state-run system, however, the benefits of a voucher-system outweigh those of the state-run system.

A voucher-system allows the free-market to 'take it's course', you could say. It gives the consumer a choice between various healthcare providers. If a hospital is prescribing excessive medical procedures, the patient can go to a different hospital and receive treatment at a lower, fairer cost. To keep patients, healthcare providers must remain competitive, by keeping their prices low. This, in my opinion, supersedes the issue of supplier-induced demand.
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Dendart
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Postby Dendart » Sat Jan 03, 2015 9:10 am

Divitaen wrote:
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So you dont accept the teachings of the church's magisterium?


Unfortunately, I don't, and there are many Catholics, especially women, who find themselves unable to reconcile their faith with the Church's stance on abortion and contraception, as well as many gay Catholics who find themselves torn because of the Church's strict stance on homosexuality. As a liberal Catholic I believe the church authorities have a responsibility to be more inclusive. I am hopeful that Pope Francis will move towards a relaxation on these areas, but until then devout, faithful Catholics will continue to be torn on these issues.

But taking this stance is a grave mortal sin, do you intend to receive the holy Eucharist?
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Divitaen
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Postby Divitaen » Sat Jan 03, 2015 9:56 am

Dendart wrote:
Divitaen wrote:
Unfortunately, I don't, and there are many Catholics, especially women, who find themselves unable to reconcile their faith with the Church's stance on abortion and contraception, as well as many gay Catholics who find themselves torn because of the Church's strict stance on homosexuality. As a liberal Catholic I believe the church authorities have a responsibility to be more inclusive. I am hopeful that Pope Francis will move towards a relaxation on these areas, but until then devout, faithful Catholics will continue to be torn on these issues.

But taking this stance is a grave mortal sin, do you intend to receive the holy Eucharist?


Of course I want to receive the holy Eucharist, I believe in my religion and my God but like many other Catholics I cannot relegate women to the role of unthinking, unfeeling artificial wombs. They are human beings with free agency like any other and the denial of bodily sovereignty and self-ownership is the denial of their independence and humanity, and I cannot vote against a woman's right to choose and feel right about it the next day. Look at Brazil. When Catholic women there protested Pope Francis's decision to keep the Church's stance on abortion. Polls in the US which show less than 15% of Catholics agreed with the Church's stance that abortion should be illegal under all circumstances. And many bishops, including those in Calaverde, but those around the world as well in the US, UK and Canada, have launched a campaign to censure, deny the Eucharist to and even excommunicate Catholic politicians such as myself who would vote the right and just way on abortion. Many Catholics find such dogmatism from the pontifical leadership a grave injustice in the institution. As a member of the Liberal Catholic movement I am fighting to change this reality. It makes it hard for Catholic women who undergo abortions to speak candidly and openly about their experiences, for fear of public harassment. What I think is a grave mortal sin, Senator, is the fact that the Catholic Church has chosen to use God to vote against women and shame them and anyone who would stand up for them and for their rights.
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Postby Jeckland » Sat Jan 03, 2015 10:29 am

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Postby Dendart » Sat Jan 03, 2015 10:53 am

Divitaen wrote:
Dendart wrote:But taking this stance is a grave mortal sin, do you intend to receive the holy Eucharist?


Of course I want to receive the holy Eucharist, I believe in my religion and my God but like many other Catholics I cannot relegate women to the role of unthinking, unfeeling artificial wombs. They are human beings with free agency like any other and the denial of bodily sovereignty and self-ownership is the denial of their independence and humanity, and I cannot vote against a woman's right to choose and feel right about it the next day. Look at Brazil. When Catholic women there protested Pope Francis's decision to keep the Church's stance on abortion. Polls in the US which show less than 15% of Catholics agreed with the Church's stance that abortion should be illegal under all circumstances. And many bishops, including those in Calaverde, but those around the world as well in the US, UK and Canada, have launched a campaign to censure, deny the Eucharist to and even excommunicate Catholic politicians such as myself who would vote the right and just way on abortion. Many Catholics find such dogmatism from the pontifical leadership a grave injustice in the institution. As a member of the Liberal Catholic movement I am fighting to change this reality. It makes it hard for Catholic women who undergo abortions to speak candidly and openly about their experiences, for fear of public harassment. What I think is a grave mortal sin, Senator, is the fact that the Catholic Church has chosen to use God to vote against women and shame them and anyone who would stand up for them and for their rights.

Women are integral of the church, the church is not trying to insult women, but guarantee the rights of sovereign individuals within their mothers womb. After all a woman,Holy mother Mary, is higher than even the apostles, higher than peter himself. The polls you speak of are irrelevant, if there where polls 2000 years ago what would be the approval rating of Jesus? Abortion is not a right but the most immoral murder of the most innocent humans.
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Postby Argentarino » Sat Jan 03, 2015 11:03 am

Dendart wrote:Women are integral of the church, the church is not trying to insult women, but guarantee the rights of sovereign individuals within their mothers womb. After all a woman,Holy mother Mary, is higher than even the apostles, higher than peter himself. The polls you speak of are irrelevant, if there where polls 2000 years ago what would be the approval rating of Jesus? Abortion is not a right but the most immoral murder of the most innocent humans.

Just as God entrusted the Virgin Mary with His Son, the Lord entrusts to all women their unborn. It is for them, and them alone, to decide what is best. We men - either of the cloth or laymen - know not the burdens of pregnancy or to be entrusted with a child within the womb.
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Postby Divitaen » Sat Jan 03, 2015 11:11 am

Dendart wrote:Women are integral of the church, the church is not trying to insult women, but guarantee the rights of sovereign individuals within their mothers womb. After all a woman,Holy mother Mary, is higher than even the apostles, higher than peter himself. The polls you speak of are irrelevant, if there where polls 2000 years ago what would be the approval rating of Jesus? Abortion is not a right but the most immoral murder of the most innocent humans.


Senator, to this I can only reply that women are free agents of their womb, they are not baby-making machines or artificial incubators. To hook them up and force them to support and maintain and house a developing foetus inside them against their will is an immense violation and intrusion on their right to privacy and bodily sovereignty, and that is the greatest insult a woman can be dealt. When you speak of the immoral murder of human beings, you are asking for the unborn to be granted a right the born are never given, and that is the right to use another person's body as a shelter without consent. We do not force organ donations that could save a life. You may expel someone from your home even when there is risk from death from exposure. To deny a woman the same right to abort is to deny her ownership of her body.
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Postby Dendart » Sat Jan 03, 2015 11:18 am

Divitaen wrote:
Dendart wrote:Women are integral of the church, the church is not trying to insult women, but guarantee the rights of sovereign individuals within their mothers womb. After all a woman,Holy mother Mary, is higher than even the apostles, higher than peter himself. The polls you speak of are irrelevant, if there where polls 2000 years ago what would be the approval rating of Jesus? Abortion is not a right but the most immoral murder of the most innocent humans.


Senator, to this I can only reply that women are free agents of their womb, they are not baby-making machines or artificial incubators. To hook them up and force them to support and maintain and house a developing foetus inside them against their will is an immense violation and intrusion on their right to privacy and bodily sovereignty, and that is the greatest insult a woman can be dealt. When you speak of the immoral murder of human beings, you are asking for the unborn to be granted a right the born are never given, and that is the right to use another person's body as a shelter without consent. We do not force organ donations that could save a life. You may expel someone from your home even when there is risk from death from exposure. To deny a woman the same right to abort is to deny her ownership of her body.

Senator, the woman chose to get pregnant, so why should she be allowed to displace that responsibility.
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Postby Argentarino » Sat Jan 03, 2015 11:20 am

Dendart wrote:
Divitaen wrote:
Senator, to this I can only reply that women are free agents of their womb, they are not baby-making machines or artificial incubators. To hook them up and force them to support and maintain and house a developing foetus inside them against their will is an immense violation and intrusion on their right to privacy and bodily sovereignty, and that is the greatest insult a woman can be dealt. When you speak of the immoral murder of human beings, you are asking for the unborn to be granted a right the born are never given, and that is the right to use another person's body as a shelter without consent. We do not force organ donations that could save a life. You may expel someone from your home even when there is risk from death from exposure. To deny a woman the same right to abort is to deny her ownership of her body.

Senator, the woman chose to get pregnant, so why should she be allowed to displace that responsibility.

And what of those who are raped? Who are victims of incest? And tell me, Senator, of those who will die if they continue with the pregnancy?
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Postby Divitaen » Sat Jan 03, 2015 11:21 am

Dendart wrote:Senator, the woman chose to get pregnant, so why should she be allowed to displace that responsibility.


No, she chose to engage in sexual intercourse. Contraception could have failed, or circumstances at work or at home could have changed from when intercourse occurred such that the woman changes her mind and believes that she is not ready to take on that responsibility. Remember that men can engage in sexual intercourse but not worry about the responsibility of getting pregnant, so abortion is really just to give women the same rights as men currently do. It is about gender equality.
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Postby Dendart » Sat Jan 03, 2015 11:29 am

Divitaen wrote:
Dendart wrote:Senator, the woman chose to get pregnant, so why should she be allowed to displace that responsibility.


No, she chose to engage in sexual intercourse. Contraception could have failed, or circumstances at work or at home could have changed from when intercourse occurred such that the woman changes her mind and believes that she is not ready to take on that responsibility. Remember that men can engage in sexual intercourse but not worry about the responsibility of getting pregnant, so abortion is really just to give women the same rights as men currently do. It is about gender equality.

does that still make it? is murder a justifiable end, what about other options?
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Postby Ainin » Sat Jan 03, 2015 11:33 am

Dendart wrote:
Divitaen wrote:
No, she chose to engage in sexual intercourse. Contraception could have failed, or circumstances at work or at home could have changed from when intercourse occurred such that the woman changes her mind and believes that she is not ready to take on that responsibility. Remember that men can engage in sexual intercourse but not worry about the responsibility of getting pregnant, so abortion is really just to give women the same rights as men currently do. It is about gender equality.

does that still make it? is murder a justifiable end, what about other options?

Please look up the definition of murder. The argument that abortion is murder isn't just misleading, it's outright wrong.

Murder isn't the act of killing someone, it's the crime of killing someone. In no reasonable jurisdiction does abortion count as murder.
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Postby Belmaria » Sat Jan 03, 2015 1:18 pm

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Dendart wrote:does that still make it? is murder a justifiable end, what about other options?

Please look up the definition of murder. The argument that abortion is murder isn't just misleading, it's outright wrong.

Murder isn't the act of killing someone, it's the crime of killing someone. In no reasonable jurisdiction does abortion count as murder.

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