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Dendart
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Postby Dendart » Thu Jan 08, 2015 5:14 pm

Maklohi Vai wrote:Bringing these back around. I need one more sponsor on each.

Maklohi Vai wrote:OOC: PPUBA and Ethics Act round 3. We made some edits on this for the Baltonia version, but those threads got cut before the mods saved them, so I've got the Aurentine version. Some edits necessary on wording, but probably not too many.

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Proper Procedure and Unacceptable Behavior Act of 2015
Drafted by Polvia | Resubmitted by Maklohi Vai
Sponsors: Nicolas Thoraval, LDP; Aaldrik Reijnders, FCP; Salvador O'Hara, LDP; Cristobal Araullo, LDP


Article I – Unacceptable Behavior
(1) Remarks directed specifically at another Member which question that Member’s integrity, honesty or character are not in order.
(2) A Member will be requested to withdraw offensive remarks, allegations, or accusations of impropriety directed towards another Member.
(3) It is unacceptable to question the integrity of impartiality of a Presiding Officer, or the Administrators of the Senate, and if such comments are made, the Administrators shall call for the withdrawal of the statements by the Member. Only with a call to question the impartiality of a specific Presiding Officer, confirmed and approved by five other Senate members via motion, may the impartiality of Presiding Officers, or the Administrators, be called into question.
(4) The use of offensive, provocative or threatening language in any Senate thread is strictly forbidden.
(5) Personal attacks, insults and obscenities are not in order.
(6) A direct charge against a Member may be made only by way of a motion for which is confirmed by five other Senate Members.
(7) If language used in debate appears questionable to the Administrators, they will intervene. Nonetheless, any Member who feels aggrieved by a remark or allegation may also bring the matter to the immediate attention of the Administrators on a Point of Order.

Article II – Points of Order
(1) A Point of Order is an intervention by a Member who believes that the rules or customary procedures have been incorrectly applied or overlooked during proceedings. Members may rise on Points of Order to bring to attention of the Administrator any breach of any rule or unacceptable remarks.
(2) Points of order respecting procedure must be raised promptly and before the remark has passed to a stage at which the objection would be out of place. The time period on which a Point of Order may be raised shall be up to forty-eight hours after the statement in question has been made.
(3) As a Point of Order concerns the interpretation of the rules of procedure, it is the responsibility of the Administrators to determine its merits and to resolve the issue.
(4) One Point of Order must be disposed of before another one is raised.
(5) Any Member can bring to the Administrators’ attention a procedural irregularity the moment it occurs. When recognized on a Point of Order, a Member should only state which Standing Order or practice he or she considers to have been breached; if this is not done, the Administrators may request that the Member do so.
(6) A brief debate on the Point of Order is possible at the Administrators' discretion.
(7) A Member may not direct remarks to separate issues or engage in debate by raising a matter under the guise of a Point of Order.

Article III – The Administrators
(1) The Administrators shall be charged with the moderation of all threads under Senate jurisdiction.
(2) The Administrators shall have no authority to rule on statements made outside of threads not under the jurisdiction of the Senate by one Member against another.
(3) The Administrators, and all Presiding Officers, are subject to all subject articles of this act, as are all Members who post on the Senate threads.
(4) The Administrators have the duty to preserve order and decorum and to decide any matter of procedure that may arise.
(5) The Administrators are bound to call the attention of a thread, under Senate jurisdiction, to an irregularity in debate or procedure immediately, without waiting for the intervention of a Member.
(6) When a Point of Order is raise, The Administrators attempt to rule on the matter immediately. However, if necessary, the Administrators may take the matter under advisement and come back to the issue later (within twenty-four hours) with a formal ruling.
(7) In doubtful cases, the Administrators may also allow discussion on the Point of Order before coming to a decision but the comments must be strictly relevant to the point raised.
(8) When a decision on a question of order is reached, the Administrators support it with quotations from the Standing Orders or other Senate Policy, or simply by citing the number of the applicable Standing Order(s).
(9) Once the decision is rendered, the matter is no longer open to debate or discussion and the ruling may not be appealed.

Article IV – Punishment
(1) Should the Administrators find the utterances of a particular Member offensive or disorderly, that Member will be requested to post on the thread and to withdraw the unacceptable word or phrase unequivocally. The Member’s apology is accepted in good faith and the matter is then considered closed.
(2) However, if the Member persists in refusing to obey the directive of the Administrators to retract his or her words, the Administrators may then take action in punishment of the Member in question.
(3) The Member who has refused to withdraw their statements shall be warned of the punishment that will be given should they not withdraw their statements in their next immediate post on the Senate thread in question.
(4) Upon the first offense the Member shall be temporarily banned from the Senate, and all Senate threads, for five days, and shall lose all voting and Senate privileges, if they have such privileges, until three days of good behavior after returning to the Senate.
(5) Upon the second offense the Member shall be banned from the Senate, lose all claim of membership and all Senate threads for ten days. The Member must then reapply to the Senate, and shall not have any voting and Senate privileges, if they have such privileges, until seven days of good behavior after returning to the Senate.
(6) Upon the third offense the Member shall be permanently banned from the Senate and Senate threads, and have their name added to a blacklist.

Article V – Definitions
(1) Standing Order – the rules and procedures governing the Senate
(2) Member(s) – any NationStates account
(3) Senate threads – any thread under the jurisdiction of the Senate
(4) Presiding Officer - Any official of the NSG Senate Administration


Senate Ethics Act of 2015
Drafted by Bolaly | Edited for Resubmission by Maklohi Vai
Sponsors: Nicolas Thoraval, LDP; Aaldrik Reijnders, FCP; Salvador O'Hara, LDP; Cristobal Araullo, LDP


RECOGNIZING the amount of bickering that has been taking place in the NSG Senate over political parties,
TO ENSURE that all Senators are treated with respect within the Senate Chambers and other official NSG Senate threads,

The NSG Senate hereby enacts the following,
(1) Senators are prohibited from slandering each other. Any instance of slander will result in the perpetrating Senator receiving a warning.
(a) Defines Slander as defamation by oral utterance rather than by writing or pictures.
(b) Once a Senator has been warned for slander twice, he/she may face suspension of senatorial service for a period of time which is
determined by the appropriate Senate administrators.
(2) All political party advertising must be done through telegram and is prohibited in any NSG Senate threads.
(a) Each political party will have their name and description of the party stated in the OP.
(3) Political Parties are prohibited from pressuring Senators to join a party.
(a) Any Senator who feels they have been pressured into joining a party should report this to the appropriate administrative staff.
(b) Any Party leader/member that pressures a Senator into joining a party will be given a punishment at the administrator’s discretion.
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Maklohi Vai
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Postby Maklohi Vai » Thu Jan 08, 2015 5:21 pm

Dendart wrote:
Maklohi Vai wrote:Bringing these back around. I need one more sponsor on each.

i will sponsor Senator Alfredo Lorenzo Rodolfo Adolfo Fierro

Thanks. I'll send them to the Chamber shortly.
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Abraham Kamassi, Chair, Labour Party of Elizia
President of Calaverde Eduardo Bustamante; Leader, LDP
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President of Aurentina Wulukuno Porunalakai; Leader, Progress Coa.

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Great Nepal
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Postby Great Nepal » Thu Jan 08, 2015 5:25 pm

Both these acts completely blur OOC and IC while completely undermining freedom of speech within chambers.
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Maklohi Vai
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Postby Maklohi Vai » Thu Jan 08, 2015 5:27 pm

Great Nepal wrote:Both these acts completely blur OOC and IC while completely undermining freedom of speech within chambers.

Perhaps you could suggest some edits.
"For the glory of our people, we govern our nation freely. For the glory of Polynesia, we help and strengthen our friends. For the glory of the earth, we do not destroy what it has bestowed upon us."
Demonym: Vaian
-Kamanakai Oa'a Pani, first president of Maklohi Vai
-6.13/-8.51 - as of 7/18
Hosted: MVBT 1; WBC 27; Friendly Cups 7, 9; (co-) NSCAA 5
Former President, WBC; WBC Councillor
Senator Giandomenico Abruzzi, Workers Party of Galatea
Administrator
Former:
Head Administrator
Beto Goncalves, Chair, CTA
Abraham Kamassi, Chair, Labour Party of Elizia
President of Calaverde Eduardo Bustamante; Leader, LDP
President of Baltonia Dovydas Kanarigis; Leader, LDP
President of Aurentina Wulukuno Porunalakai; Leader, Progress Coa.

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Great Nepal
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Postby Great Nepal » Thu Jan 08, 2015 5:30 pm

Maklohi Vai wrote:
Great Nepal wrote:Both these acts completely blur OOC and IC while completely undermining freedom of speech within chambers.

Perhaps you could suggest some edits.

I dont think they are needed - admins can hand out OOC warnings for infraction to OOC rules and when something erogenous happens in chambers presiding officer has complete right to remove said member from the chambers.
We dont need to have IC reason why admins (inherently OOC constructs) can issue OOC warnings - when some one is banned we RP as if they just lost a recall election and there is election ongoing in that constituency. If they are permanently banned - we RP as if that senator lost the seat.
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Postby Lykens » Thu Jan 08, 2015 5:30 pm

Maklohi Vai wrote:
Great Nepal wrote:Both these acts completely blur OOC and IC while completely undermining freedom of speech within chambers.

Perhaps you could suggest some edits.

I don't think the first one should be a bill at all, and parts of the second.

They're basically rules of how the NSG Senate RP works.
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Postby Maklohi Vai » Thu Jan 08, 2015 5:46 pm

Lykens wrote:They're basically rules of how the NSG Senate RP works.

We have many of those rules because of these bills' original submission in Aurentina. When Aurentina died, we re-codified in Baltonia, and when Baltonia died, we're going to [attempt to] re-codify in Calaverde.

Great Nepal wrote:
Maklohi Vai wrote:Perhaps you could suggest some edits.

I dont think they are needed - admins can hand out OOC warnings for infraction to OOC rules and when something erogenous happens in chambers presiding officer has complete right to remove said member from the chambers.
We dont need to have IC reason why admins (inherently OOC constructs) can issue OOC warnings - when some one is banned we RP as if they just lost a recall election and there is election ongoing in that constituency. If they are permanently banned - we RP as if that senator lost the seat.
Where are you seeing an OOC warning provision in either act? Administrators are IC actors as well as OOC presences, so "warnings" are not solely an OOC phenomenon.
"For the glory of our people, we govern our nation freely. For the glory of Polynesia, we help and strengthen our friends. For the glory of the earth, we do not destroy what it has bestowed upon us."
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-Kamanakai Oa'a Pani, first president of Maklohi Vai
-6.13/-8.51 - as of 7/18
Hosted: MVBT 1; WBC 27; Friendly Cups 7, 9; (co-) NSCAA 5
Former President, WBC; WBC Councillor
Senator Giandomenico Abruzzi, Workers Party of Galatea
Administrator
Former:
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Beto Goncalves, Chair, CTA
Abraham Kamassi, Chair, Labour Party of Elizia
President of Calaverde Eduardo Bustamante; Leader, LDP
President of Baltonia Dovydas Kanarigis; Leader, LDP
President of Aurentina Wulukuno Porunalakai; Leader, Progress Coa.

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Postby Great Nepal » Thu Jan 08, 2015 5:52 pm

Maklohi Vai wrote:
Lykens wrote:They're basically rules of how the NSG Senate RP works.

We have many of those rules because of these bills' original submission in Aurentina. When Aurentina died, we re-codified in Baltonia, and when Baltonia died, we're going to [attempt to] re-codify in Calaverde.

Great Nepal wrote:I dont think they are needed - admins can hand out OOC warnings for infraction to OOC rules and when something erogenous happens in chambers presiding officer has complete right to remove said member from the chambers.
We dont need to have IC reason why admins (inherently OOC constructs) can issue OOC warnings - when some one is banned we RP as if they just lost a recall election and there is election ongoing in that constituency. If they are permanently banned - we RP as if that senator lost the seat.
Where are you seeing an OOC warning provision in either act? Administrators are IC actors as well as OOC presences, so "warnings" are not solely an OOC phenomenon.

Why though - that unnecessarily blurs IC and OOC aspect... Presiding officer (remain IC) can handle IC stuff and admins (remain OOC) can handle ooc stuff.
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Postby Maklohi Vai » Thu Jan 08, 2015 6:07 pm

Great Nepal wrote:
Maklohi Vai wrote:We have many of those rules because of these bills' original submission in Aurentina. When Aurentina died, we re-codified in Baltonia, and when Baltonia died, we're going to [attempt to] re-codify in Calaverde.

Where are you seeing an OOC warning provision in either act? Administrators are IC actors as well as OOC presences, so "warnings" are not solely an OOC phenomenon.

Why though - that unnecessarily blurs IC and OOC aspect... Presiding officer (remain IC) can handle IC stuff and admins (remain OOC) can handle ooc stuff.

The admins are responsible for the content of this roleplay, IC or OOC.
"For the glory of our people, we govern our nation freely. For the glory of Polynesia, we help and strengthen our friends. For the glory of the earth, we do not destroy what it has bestowed upon us."
Demonym: Vaian
-Kamanakai Oa'a Pani, first president of Maklohi Vai
-6.13/-8.51 - as of 7/18
Hosted: MVBT 1; WBC 27; Friendly Cups 7, 9; (co-) NSCAA 5
Former President, WBC; WBC Councillor
Senator Giandomenico Abruzzi, Workers Party of Galatea
Administrator
Former:
Head Administrator
Beto Goncalves, Chair, CTA
Abraham Kamassi, Chair, Labour Party of Elizia
President of Calaverde Eduardo Bustamante; Leader, LDP
President of Baltonia Dovydas Kanarigis; Leader, LDP
President of Aurentina Wulukuno Porunalakai; Leader, Progress Coa.

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Postby Geilinor » Thu Jan 08, 2015 6:08 pm

Great Nepal wrote:Both these acts completely blur OOC and IC while completely undermining freedom of speech within chambers.

Administrators of the Senate ICly being Sergeants-At-Arms would make sense.
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Postby Lykens » Thu Jan 08, 2015 6:09 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Great Nepal wrote:Both these acts completely blur OOC and IC while completely undermining freedom of speech within chambers.

Administrators of the Senate ICly being Sergeants-At-Arms would make sense.

In addition to their Senator characters?
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Postby Great Nepal » Thu Jan 08, 2015 6:11 pm

Maklohi Vai wrote:
Great Nepal wrote:Why though - that unnecessarily blurs IC and OOC aspect... Presiding officer (remain IC) can handle IC stuff and admins (remain OOC) can handle ooc stuff.

The admins are responsible for the content of this roleplay, IC or OOC.

The admins are akin to OP in an RP - they have full ownership of everything that goes on in the RP but that does not mean create IC position of OP to enforce their rulings. They just enforce their ruling as OOC entity - some one is being abusive: use OOC powers to give them warning, some one is spamming the thread: use OOC powers to call in mods to ban the person, some one is godmodding: use OOC powers to retcon the whole thing. There is no need for IC rules to allow these.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Thu Jan 08, 2015 8:19 pm

Personally I think that PUBBA and the Ethics act should be enforced by the Speaker. I also think the Ethics act and PUBBA should only apply to the Chamber as they would usually in real life. Lets make this more IC and about politics with less crossover. IF the speaker makes bad decisions they can be voted out. Now admins can also be voted out there is no need to give them powers that can and should be help by an IC position.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Thu Jan 08, 2015 8:40 pm

Just to be precise the clauses that deal with IC stuff should be done by the Speaker and only apply in the chamber.

Proper Procedure and Unacceptable Behavior Act of 2015
Drafted by Polvia | Resubmitted by Maklohi Vai
Sponsors: Nicolas Thoraval, LDP; Aaldrik Reijnders, FCP; Salvador O'Hara, LDP; Cristobal Araullo, LDP


Article I – Unacceptable Behavior
(1) Remarks directed specifically at another Member which question that Member’s integrity, honesty or character are not in order.
(2) A Member will be requested to withdraw offensive remarks, allegations, or accusations of impropriety directed towards another Member.
(3) It is unacceptable to question the integrity of impartiality of a Presiding Officer, or the Administrators of the Senate, and if such comments are made, the Administrators shall call for the withdrawal of the statements by the Member. Only with a call to question the impartiality of a specific Presiding Officer, confirmed and approved by five other Senate members via motion, may the impartiality of Presiding Officers, or the Administrators, be called into question.
(4) The use of offensive, provocative or threatening language in any Senate thread is strictly forbidden.
(5) Personal attacks, insults and obscenities are not in order.
(6) A direct charge against a Member may be made only by way of a motion for which is confirmed by five other Senate Members.
(7) If language used in debate appears questionable to the Administrators, they will intervene. Nonetheless, any Member who feels aggrieved by a remark or allegation may also bring the matter to the immediate attention of the Administrators on a Point of Order.


Article II – Points of Order
(1) A Point of Order is an intervention by a Member who believes that the rules or customary procedures have been incorrectly applied or overlooked during proceedings. Members may rise on Points of Order to bring to attention of the Administrator any breach of any rule or unacceptable remarks.
(2) Points of order respecting procedure must be raised promptly and before the remark has passed to a stage at which the objection would be out of place. The time period on which a Point of Order may be raised shall be up to forty-eight hours after the statement in question has been made.
(3) As a Point of Order concerns the interpretation of the rules of procedure, it is the responsibility of the Administrators to determine its merits and to resolve the issue.
(4) One Point of Order must be disposed of before another one is raised.
(5) Any Member can bring to the Administrators’ attention a procedural irregularity the moment it occurs. When recognized on a Point of Order, a Member should only state which Standing Order or practice he or she considers to have been breached; if this is not done, the Administrators may request that the Member do so.
(6) A brief debate on the Point of Order is possible at the Administrators' discretion.
(7) A Member may not direct remarks to separate issues or engage in debate by raising a matter under the guise of a Point of Order.


Article III – The Administrators
(1) The Administrators shall be charged with the moderation of all threads under Senate jurisdiction.
(2) The Administrators shall have no authority to rule on statements made outside of threads not under the jurisdiction of the Senate by one Member against another.
(3) The Administrators, and all Presiding Officers, are subject to all subject articles of this act, as are all Members who post on the Senate threads.
(4) The Administrators have the duty to preserve order and decorum and to decide any matter of procedure that may arise.
(5) The Administrators are bound to call the attention of a thread, under Senate jurisdiction, to an irregularity in debate or procedure immediately, without waiting for the intervention of a Member.
(6) When a Point of Order is raise, The Administrators attempt to rule on the matter immediately. However, if necessary, the Administrators may take the matter under advisement and come back to the issue later (within twenty-four hours) with a formal ruling.
(7) In doubtful cases, the Administrators may also allow discussion on the Point of Order before coming to a decision but the comments must be strictly relevant to the point raised.
(8) When a decision on a question of order is reached, the Administrators support it with quotations from the Standing Orders or other Senate Policy, or simply by citing the number of the applicable Standing Order(s).
(9) Once the decision is rendered, the matter is no longer open to debate or discussion and the ruling may not be appealed.These clauses 4,5,6, 7,8 and9 could apply to both


Article IV – Punishment
(1) Should the Administrators find the utterances of a particular Member offensive or disorderly, that Member will be requested to post on the thread and to withdraw the unacceptable word or phrase unequivocally. The Member’s apology is accepted in good faith and the matter is then considered closed.
(2) However, if the Member persists in refusing to obey the directive of the Administrators to retract his or her words, the Administrators may then take action in punishment of the Member in question.
(3) The Member who has refused to withdraw their statements shall be warned of the punishment that will be given should they not withdraw their statements in their next immediate post on the Senate thread in question.
(4) Upon the first offense the Member shall be temporarily banned from the Senate, and all Senate threads, for five days, and shall lose all voting and Senate privileges, if they have such privileges, until three days of good behavior after returning to the Senate.
(5) Upon the second offense the Member shall be banned from the Senate, lose all claim of membership and all Senate threads for ten days. The Member must then reapply to the Senate, and shall not have any voting and Senate privileges, if they have such privileges, until seven days of good behavior after returning to the Senate.
(6) Upon the third offense the Member shall be permanently banned from the Senate and Senate threads, and have their name added to a blacklist.
Obviously depending on the situation could apply to both. Clause 4,5, and 6 seem excessively harsh given the mundane nature of some of the possible offences and their IC nature. A member should only be banned totally for OOC offences. Insulting a senator ICly should not have any OOC effects. Nor should any IC action legislated against above end up banning an elected politician from voting. It is authoritarian and anti-democracy.

Article V – Definitions
(1) Standing Order – the rules and procedures governing the Senate
(2) Member(s) – any NationStates account
(3) Senate threads – any thread under the jurisdiction of the Senate
(4) Presiding Officer - Any official of the NSG Senate Administration


Senate Ethics Act of 2015
Drafted by Bolaly | Edited for Resubmission by Maklohi Vai
Sponsors: Nicolas Thoraval, LDP; Aaldrik Reijnders, FCP; Salvador O'Hara, LDP; Cristobal Araullo, LDP


RECOGNIZING the amount of bickering that has been taking place in the NSG Senate over political parties,
TO ENSURE that all Senators are treated with respect within the Senate Chambers and other official NSG Senate threads,

The NSG Senate hereby enacts the following,
(1) Senators are prohibited from slandering each other. Any instance of slander will result in the perpetrating Senator receiving a warning.
(a) Defines Slander as defamation by oral utterance rather than by writing or pictures.
(b) Once a Senator has been warned for slander twice, he/she may face suspension of senatorial service for a period of time which is
determined by the appropriate Senate administrators.

(2) All political party advertising must be done through telegram and is prohibited in any NSG Senate threads. If enforced outside the chamber on say a converstation between two people this is tantamount to being against free speech.
(a) Each political party will have their name and description of the party stated in the OP.
(3) Political Parties are prohibited from pressuring Senators to join a party.
(a) Any Senator who feels they have been pressured into joining a party should report this to the appropriate administrative staff.
(b) Any Party leader/member that pressures a Senator into joining a party will be given a punishment at the administrator’s discretion.


So above I have laid out the position. Those that are underlined and in bold should only apply ICly to the chamber and be under the control of the speaker and their deputies. Unless otherwise stated when they should be applied to both. A few clauses have other select criticisms in red whilst those that are not underlined or in bold should purely be the responsibility of the admins.
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Postby Maklohi Vai » Thu Jan 08, 2015 10:46 pm

This has gotten to the point where we're actually discussing restructuring the way the senate is managed and how it functions. As such, I'm going to broach the issue to the other admins and see what they think.
"For the glory of our people, we govern our nation freely. For the glory of Polynesia, we help and strengthen our friends. For the glory of the earth, we do not destroy what it has bestowed upon us."
Demonym: Vaian
-Kamanakai Oa'a Pani, first president of Maklohi Vai
-6.13/-8.51 - as of 7/18
Hosted: MVBT 1; WBC 27; Friendly Cups 7, 9; (co-) NSCAA 5
Former President, WBC; WBC Councillor
Senator Giandomenico Abruzzi, Workers Party of Galatea
Administrator
Former:
Head Administrator
Beto Goncalves, Chair, CTA
Abraham Kamassi, Chair, Labour Party of Elizia
President of Calaverde Eduardo Bustamante; Leader, LDP
President of Baltonia Dovydas Kanarigis; Leader, LDP
President of Aurentina Wulukuno Porunalakai; Leader, Progress Coa.

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Calaverdean Nationality & Citizenship Act
| Author: Sebastianbourg |
| Sponsors: Divitaen | Atlanticatia | Estva

An act to regulate the granting of Calaverdean nationality and citizenship; to define Calaverdean nationality and citizenship; to make provisions regarding the rights and responsibilities of Calaverdean citizens and nationals



Chapter I - Definitions

A national is a holder of Calaverdean nationality.
A citizen is a citizen of Calaverde. The terms national and citizen are interchangeable.
A natural-born citizen is a person born a citizen regardless of their place-of-birth.
A citizen by descent is a natural-born citizen born abroad.
A naturalised citizen is a person who became a citizen.
A citizen otherwise than by otherwise than by descent is any citizen who is not a citizen by descent.
A citizen by grant/naturalised citizen by legislative grant is a person who has been granted citizenship by the legislature. They shall be considered naturalised citizens too.
A permanent resident[b] is a person who has been granted a permanent residency card by the appropriate institutions and resides in Calaverde for at least one hundred and eighty-three days in the year.



Chapter II - Natural-born Citizens

a. All persons born in the territory of Calaverde to at least one citizen or permanent-resident shall be considered natural-born citizens;
b. All persons born to at least one citizen or permanent-resident of Calaverde abroad shall be considered natural-born citizens. These persons shall also be considered citizens by descent;
c. A person born in Calaverde's territory to stateless parents or parents unable to transmit their citizenship to their child shall be considered a natural-born citizen;
d. A person found alone in Calaverde's territory shall be considered natural-born citizens unless that is proven false.

All persons under the age of sixteen adopted by Calaverdean citizens shall automatically become Calaverdean citizens; those adopted after the age of sixteen shall be able to opt for Calaverdean citizenship after two years of residence.



Chapter III - Naturalised Citizens

In order to become a naturalised citizen one most fulfil the following criteria in addition to successfully completing an examination assessing their knowledge of Calaverdean culture, history along with their ability to communicate in one of Calaverde's languages. The State reserves the right to deny anyone citizenship by naturalisation even if they successfully fulfil the established-criteria.
a. Be at least eighteen-years-of-age;
b. Hold a permanent residency permit;
c. Have resided in Calaverde's territory for at least six years (five years if a refugee and four years if stateless or married to a Calaverdean citizen);
d. All minor children of naturalised citizens shall receive citizenship upon their parent's naturalisation unless they are over the age of twelve and decide not to do so.



Chapter IV - Naturalised Citizens by Legislative Grant

In order to be considered for citizenship by legislative grant one must fulfil the following criteria. The state reserves the right to deny anyone citizenship by naturalisation even if they are considered to have fulfilled the criteria.
a. Be at least eighteen-years-of-age;
b. Hold a Calaverdean permanent or temporary residency permit;
c. Have an urgent need to receive citizenship.

Anyone who fulfils the above criteria can apply to the legislature directly. If three-fourths of the national legislators vote in favour of the application the person shall be made a Calaverdean citizen with immediate effect. Additionally, a foreigner appointed to a professorship at a state-operated university shall be granted citizenship immediately.



Chapter V - Loss of Citizenship

Calaverdean citizenship can only be lost in the following ways.
a. Voluntary renunciation of citizenship in front of a Calaverdean diplomatic officials abroad;
b. Revocation of citizenship by the State if convicted of treason or high treason;
c. Revocation of citizenship by the State if irregularities are detected in the naturalisation process of a naturalised citizen.



Chapter VI - Multiple Citizenship

Calaverdean citizens are free to hold citizenship in other countries but they will considered to be only Calaverdean by Calaverdean authorities in Calaverde's territory. Furthermore, Calaverde cannot assure naturalised citizens and natural-born citizens seeking naturalisation abroad that they will be able to retain their original citizenships as some countries have restriction on dual and multiple citizenship.
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Postby Estva » Sat Jan 10, 2015 2:41 am

Sebastianbourg wrote:
Calaverdean Nationality & Citizenship Act
| Author: Sebastianbourg |
| Sponsors: Divitaen | Atlanticatia

An act to regulate the granting of Calaverdean nationality and citizenship; to define Calaverdean nationality and citizenship; to make provisions regarding the rights and responsibilities of Calaverdean citizens and nationals



Chapter I - Definitions

A national is a holder of Calaverdean nationality.
A citizen is a citizen of Calaverde. The terms national and citizen are interchangeable.
A natural-born citizen is a person born a citizen regardless of their place-of-birth.
A citizen by descent is a natural-born citizen born abroad.
A naturalised citizen is a person who became a citizen.
A citizen otherwise than by otherwise than by descent is any citizen who is not a citizen by descent.
A citizen by grant/naturalised citizen by legislative grant is a person who has been granted citizenship by the legislature. They shall be considered naturalised citizens too.
A permanent resident[b] is a person who has been granted a permanent residency card by the appropriate institutions and resides in Calaverde for at least one hundred and eighty-three days in the year.



Chapter II - Natural-born Citizens

a. All persons born in the territory of Calaverde to at least one citizen or permanent-resident shall be considered natural-born citizens;
b. All persons born to at least one citizen or permanent-resident of Calaverde abroad shall be considered natural-born citizens. These persons shall also be considered citizens by descent;
c. A person born in Calaverde's territory to stateless parents or parents unable to transmit their citizenship to their child shall be considered a natural-born citizen;
d. A person found alone in Calaverde's territory shall be considered natural-born citizens unless that is proven false.

All persons under the age of sixteen adopted by Calaverdean citizens shall automatically become Calaverdean citizens; those adopted after the age of sixteen shall be able to opt for Calaverdean citizenship after two years of residence.



Chapter III - Naturalised Citizens

In order to become a naturalised citizen one most fulfil the following criteria in addition to successfully completing an examination assessing their knowledge of Calaverdean culture, history along with their ability to communicate in one of Calaverde's languages. The State reserves the right to deny anyone citizenship by naturalisation even if they successfully fulfil the established-criteria.
a. Be at least eighteen-years-of-age;
b. Hold a permanent residency permit;
c. Have resided in Calaverde's territory for at least six years (five years if a refugee and four years if stateless or married to a Calaverdean citizen);
d. All minor children of naturalised citizens shall receive citizenship upon their parent's naturalisation unless they are over the age of twelve and decide not to do so.



Chapter IV - Naturalised Citizens by Legislative Grant

In order to be considered for citizenship by legislative grant one must fulfil the following criteria. The state reserves the right to deny anyone citizenship by naturalisation even if they are considered to have fulfilled the criteria.
a. Be at least eighteen-years-of-age;
b. Hold a Calaverdean permanent or temporary residency permit;
c. Have an urgent need to receive citizenship.

Anyone who fulfils the above criteria can apply to the legislature directly. If three-fourths of the national legislators vote in favour of the application the person shall be made a Calaverdean citizen with immediate effect. Additionally, a foreigner appointed to a professorship at a state-operated university shall be granted citizenship immediately.



Chapter V - Loss of Citizenship

Calaverdean citizenship can only be lost in the following ways.
a. Voluntary renunciation of citizenship in front of a Calaverdean diplomatic officials abroad;
b. Revocation of citizenship by the State if convicted of treason or high treason;
c. Revocation of citizenship by the State if irregularities are detected in the naturalisation process of a naturalised citizen.



Chapter VI - Multiple Citizenship

Calaverdean citizens are free to hold citizenship in other countries but they will considered to be only Calaverdean by Calaverdean authorities in Calaverde's territory. Furthermore, Calaverde cannot assure naturalised citizens and natural-born citizens seeking naturalisation abroad that they will be able to retain their original citizenships as some countries have restriction on dual and multiple citizenship.

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Postby Sebastianbourg » Sat Jan 10, 2015 2:45 am

Estva wrote:
Sebastianbourg wrote:
Calaverdean Nationality & Citizenship Act
| Author: Sebastianbourg |
| Sponsors: Divitaen | Atlanticatia

An act to regulate the granting of Calaverdean nationality and citizenship; to define Calaverdean nationality and citizenship; to make provisions regarding the rights and responsibilities of Calaverdean citizens and nationals



Chapter I - Definitions

A national is a holder of Calaverdean nationality.
A citizen is a citizen of Calaverde. The terms national and citizen are interchangeable.
A natural-born citizen is a person born a citizen regardless of their place-of-birth.
A citizen by descent is a natural-born citizen born abroad.
A naturalised citizen is a person who became a citizen.
A citizen otherwise than by otherwise than by descent is any citizen who is not a citizen by descent.
A citizen by grant/naturalised citizen by legislative grant is a person who has been granted citizenship by the legislature. They shall be considered naturalised citizens too.
A permanent resident[b] is a person who has been granted a permanent residency card by the appropriate institutions and resides in Calaverde for at least one hundred and eighty-three days in the year.



Chapter II - Natural-born Citizens

a. All persons born in the territory of Calaverde to at least one citizen or permanent-resident shall be considered natural-born citizens;
b. All persons born to at least one citizen or permanent-resident of Calaverde abroad shall be considered natural-born citizens. These persons shall also be considered citizens by descent;
c. A person born in Calaverde's territory to stateless parents or parents unable to transmit their citizenship to their child shall be considered a natural-born citizen;
d. A person found alone in Calaverde's territory shall be considered natural-born citizens unless that is proven false.

All persons under the age of sixteen adopted by Calaverdean citizens shall automatically become Calaverdean citizens; those adopted after the age of sixteen shall be able to opt for Calaverdean citizenship after two years of residence.



Chapter III - Naturalised Citizens

In order to become a naturalised citizen one most fulfil the following criteria in addition to successfully completing an examination assessing their knowledge of Calaverdean culture, history along with their ability to communicate in one of Calaverde's languages. The State reserves the right to deny anyone citizenship by naturalisation even if they successfully fulfil the established-criteria.
a. Be at least eighteen-years-of-age;
b. Hold a permanent residency permit;
c. Have resided in Calaverde's territory for at least six years (five years if a refugee and four years if stateless or married to a Calaverdean citizen);
d. All minor children of naturalised citizens shall receive citizenship upon their parent's naturalisation unless they are over the age of twelve and decide not to do so.



Chapter IV - Naturalised Citizens by Legislative Grant

In order to be considered for citizenship by legislative grant one must fulfil the following criteria. The state reserves the right to deny anyone citizenship by naturalisation even if they are considered to have fulfilled the criteria.
a. Be at least eighteen-years-of-age;
b. Hold a Calaverdean permanent or temporary residency permit;
c. Have an urgent need to receive citizenship.

Anyone who fulfils the above criteria can apply to the legislature directly. If three-fourths of the national legislators vote in favour of the application the person shall be made a Calaverdean citizen with immediate effect. Additionally, a foreigner appointed to a professorship at a state-operated university shall be granted citizenship immediately.



Chapter V - Loss of Citizenship

Calaverdean citizenship can only be lost in the following ways.
a. Voluntary renunciation of citizenship in front of a Calaverdean diplomatic officials abroad;
b. Revocation of citizenship by the State if convicted of treason or high treason;
c. Revocation of citizenship by the State if irregularities are detected in the naturalisation process of a naturalised citizen.



Chapter VI - Multiple Citizenship

Calaverdean citizens are free to hold citizenship in other countries but they will considered to be only Calaverdean by Calaverdean authorities in Calaverde's territory. Furthermore, Calaverde cannot assure naturalised citizens and natural-born citizens seeking naturalisation abroad that they will be able to retain their original citizenships as some countries have restriction on dual and multiple citizenship.

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Postby Great Nepal » Sat Jan 10, 2015 4:34 am

Is it actually legal internationally to revoke citizenship from someone who has no other citizenship? Doing so would make a person stateless and I think that is in breach of UDHR.
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Postby Sebastianbourg » Sat Jan 10, 2015 5:33 am

Great Nepal wrote:Is it actually legal internationally to revoke citizenship from someone who has no other citizenship? Doing so would make a person stateless and I think that is in breach of UDHR.

It's a legal grey area really. Some countries allow you to renounce citizenship even if you don't have multiple citizenship (the US for example) but I don't whether involuntarily depriving a non-multiple citizen of their citizenship is legal.

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Postby Great Nepal » Sat Jan 10, 2015 5:38 am

Sebastianbourg wrote:
Great Nepal wrote:Is it actually legal internationally to revoke citizenship from someone who has no other citizenship? Doing so would make a person stateless and I think that is in breach of UDHR.

It's a legal grey area really. Some countries allow you to renounce citizenship even if you don't have multiple citizenship (the US for example) but I don't whether involuntarily depriving a non-multiple citizen of their citizenship is legal.

Might be better to let judicial system handle it - just say "unless revoked otherwise by due process". Let supreme/ appellate court handle the mess resulting from it.
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Postby Glasgia » Sat Jan 10, 2015 6:54 am

We should grant all of Nicaragua a temporary residence permit in Calaverde, give them all citizenship through legislative grant and then invade them on context of liberating Calaverdean citizens :p

Other than that, I still oppose any kind of citizenship test for naturalisation.
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Postby Great Nepal » Sat Jan 10, 2015 6:58 am

Glasgia wrote:We should grant all of Nicaragua a temporary residence permit in Calaverde, give them all citizenship through legislative grant and then invade them on context of liberating Calaverdean citizens :p

I fully support this brilliant idea - we can't tolerate occupation of potential Calaverdean citizens.

Glasgia wrote:Other than that, I still oppose any kind of citizenship test for naturalisation.

Isn't that quite standard procedure though?
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Postby Sebastianbourg » Sat Jan 10, 2015 7:24 am

Glasgia wrote:Other than that, I still oppose any kind of citizenship test for naturalisation.

I dunno mate; I'm still proud of passing the UK nationality test with a 100% even after guessing on the size of juries in Scotland!

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