NSG Senate Coffee Shop: We don't serve decaf

[Electrum]

You want to recognise Sealand and not Adrius?


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[Lykens]

You want to recognise Sealand and not Adrius?


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Adrius isn't a country, please tell me how you plan to recognize them.

[Ikania]

You want to recognise Sealand and not Adrius?


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I think I'm like the only one in the coalition who pushes for a referendum on Adrian independence. I want this government to actually get along with it.

Speaking of which, if you want to sponsor my referendum bill, here it is for you:

Resolution on the status of Adrius and the right of self determination

|Author: Javier Escuella (LDP)|
|Sponsors: Rijkerd fan de Westhuizen (FCP/AIP), Michael Giuliani (DL), Jean-Luc Martin (IWP)|

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Preamble

The Parliament of Calaverde recognizes that the reincorporation of Adrius into the Calaverdean Republic in the year of 2013 (AD/CE Gregorian) was done with the use of force and in contravention of the people's right to self-determination, seeing as the Adrians had declared their independence during the Calaverdean Civil War (2006-2014). While maintaining the position that Adrius is vital to the culture and history of Calaverde, the government recognizes that the Adrianer Dutch majority of the island has the right to determine for themselves the status of independence for Adrius. Therefore, the following provisions are to be enacted:

Article I: The Referendum

I. The Calaverdean government is to set up a democratic referendum to determine whether the island of Adrius will become an independent nation or stay with Calaverde.
II. This referendum is to take place within five years of the passage of this act.
III. The government of Calaverde establishes the Committee for the Adrian Independence Referendum, tasked with determining the date of the referendum as well as conducting census reports into who will be able to vote by then.

Article II: Voter Eligibility

I. All citizens of Calaverde who currently reside in Adrius and were living in Adrius and eligible for voting during the time of the most recent Presidential election before the referendum will be eligible to vote in the referendum.
II. Voters must be at least eighteen years old, or turning such age within two weeks after the referendum.
III. All incarcerated citizens meeting the previous requirements will not be barred from voting, and will do so from the comfort of their prison cell.
IV. No citizen shall in any way be required, coerced or bribed into voting by any government body.

Article III: Conducting the referendum

I. The date of the referendum is to be decided by the CAIR, and must take place within five years of this act's passage.
II. Voting will last exactly one week, with polls open from 12 AM on the first day, to 11:59 PM on the last day.
III. The week of the referendum will be declared a public holiday for the purpose of accessibility.
IV. The question on the ballot will be as follows:

"Do you believe that the island of Adrius should be politically independent from the Republic of Calaverde, and become a sovereign nation?"

V. The answers will be either 'Yes' or 'No', as well as the equivalents in other languages, such as 'Ja of Nee', 'Si o No' and 'Oui ou Non'.

VI. Polling stations will issue ballots in Spanish, Dutch, English, French and the Garifuna language.

VII. Polling stations will also issue ballots in any recognized minority language depending on the area.

VIII. A minority language is defined as a language spoken by at least 10% of the area's people as a first language.

Article IV: Respecting the outcome

I. If the outcome of the vote is in favor of Adrian Independence by a simple majority (50% + 1), then the Calaverdean government will take the proper steps to release Adrius from its grasp and give it sovereignty over the course of the years after, preferably within five years of the referendum.

II. If the outcome of the vote fails to reach a Yes majority, Adrius will remain a part of Calaverde and the situation will return to how it was before.

III. If, somehow, the vote comes to a dead tie by the end after all fraud and illegitimacy is dealt with, the vote will be considered to have failed.

[Britanno 2]

Because offering everything or nothing is the right way to tackle this.

[Ikania]

Because offering everything or nothing is the right way to tackle this.

Compromise; let the people themself choose.

Also, is it basically true that the Civil War started in 2006 and ended in 2014? We can create a timeline of how it went, but it's best to have an established history for that kind of stuff.

[Atlanticatia]

I think the taxes and subsidies are too high and don't have many conditions are attached.

Would a 10% rebate be fairer? Also, what conditions do you want to attach? Because I think we want the programme to have as larger impact as possible, so therefore excluding a few companies as possible. I guess I can specify that the ministry of finance is responsible for ensuring the firm hasn't engaged in any malpractice and wouldn't bring the government into disrepute in anyway through working in partnership?

Regulations on what apprentices will do, qualifications that will be awarded, performance targets that have to be met to prevent abuse of the tax subsidies, etc etc and an authority to manage it all.

Also I think offering to pay for 100% of the apprenticeship and provide a tax cut seems excessive. There are also no caps on the apprenticeship subsidy amount, minimum and maximum length, etc.

Basically it needs to be ensured that subsidies serve their purpose and companies are held accountable with strong standards, preferably integrated with the education system too.

I like the idea of this, with apprenticeships and whatnot, but it just needs tweaking.

[Britanno 2]

Because offering everything or nothing is the right way to tackle this.

Compromise; let the people themself choose.

Also, is it basically true that the Civil War started in 2006 and ended in 2014? We can create a timeline of how it went, but it's best to have an established history for that kind of stuff.

Yes, let the people choose.

Give them the choice for devolution within the union.

[Ainin]

Shoot the Adrians and sink the island.

Problem solved.

[Sebastianbourg]

Shoot the Adrians and sink the island.

Problem solved.

*never comes back from diplomatic tour*

[Britanno 2]

Doesn't that assume we haven't already recognised Sealand? I presumed we had.

[Ainin]

Shoot the Adrians and sink the island.

Problem solved.

*never comes back from diplomatic tour*

Well your plane left without you anyways

[Sebastianbourg]

*never comes back from diplomatic tour*

Well your plane left without you anyways

I caught another flight!

[Collatis]

I caught another flight!

Good thing too. I heard that soem flying train crash into that flight. Real tragedy.

[United Provinces of Atlantica]

You want to recognise Sealand and not Adrius?


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I think I'm like the only one in the coalition who pushes for a referendum on Adrian independence. I want this government to actually get along with it.

Speaking of which, if you want to sponsor my referendum bill, here it is for you:

Resolution on the status of Adrius and the right of self determination

|Author: Javier Escuella (LDP)|
|Sponsors: Rijkerd fan de Westhuizen (FCP/AIP), Michael Giuliani (DL), Jean-Luc Martin (IWP)|

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Preamble

The Parliament of Calaverde recognizes that the reincorporation of Adrius into the Calaverdean Republic in the year of 2013 (AD/CE Gregorian) was done with the use of force and in contravention of the people's right to self-determination, seeing as the Adrians had declared their independence during the Calaverdean Civil War (2006-2014). While maintaining the position that Adrius is vital to the culture and history of Calaverde, the government recognizes that the Adrianer Dutch majority of the island has the right to determine for themselves the status of independence for Adrius. Therefore, the following provisions are to be enacted:

Article I: The Referendum

I. The Calaverdean government is to set up a democratic referendum to determine whether the island of Adrius will become an independent nation or stay with Calaverde.
II. This referendum is to take place within five years of the passage of this act.
III. The government of Calaverde establishes the Committee for the Adrian Independence Referendum, tasked with determining the date of the referendum as well as conducting census reports into who will be able to vote by then.

Article II: Voter Eligibility

I. All citizens of Calaverde who currently reside in Adrius and were living in Adrius and eligible for voting during the time of the most recent Presidential election before the referendum will be eligible to vote in the referendum.
II. Voters must be at least eighteen years old, or turning such age within two weeks after the referendum.
III. All incarcerated citizens meeting the previous requirements will not be barred from voting, and will do so from the comfort of their prison cell.
IV. No citizen shall in any way be required, coerced or bribed into voting by any government body.

Article III: Conducting the referendum

I. The date of the referendum is to be decided by the CAIR, and must take place within five years of this act's passage.
II. Voting will last exactly one week, with polls open from 12 AM on the first day, to 11:59 PM on the last day.
III. The week of the referendum will be declared a public holiday for the purpose of accessibility.
IV. The question on the ballot will be as follows:

"Do you believe that the island of Adrius should be politically independent from the Republic of Calaverde, and become a sovereign nation?"

V. The answers will be either 'Yes' or 'No', as well as the equivalents in other languages, such as 'Ja of Nee', 'Si o No' and 'Oui ou Non'.

VI. Polling stations will issue ballots in Spanish, Dutch, English and French.

VII. Polling stations will also issue ballots in any recognized minority language depending on the area.

VIII. A minority language is defined as a language spoken by at least 10% of the area's people as a first language.

Article IV: Respecting the outcome

I. If the outcome of the vote is in favor of Adrian Independence by a simple majority (50% + 1), then the Calaverdean government will take the proper steps to release Adrius from its grasp and give it sovereignty over the course of the years after, preferably within five years of the referendum.

II. If the outcome of the vote fails to reach a Yes majority, Adrius will remain a part of Calaverde and the situation will return to how it was before.

III. If, somehow, the vote comes to a dead tie by the end after all fraud and illegitimacy is dealt with, the vote will be considered to have failed.

I only agreed to sponsor that legislation provided Garifuna was a language issued ballots in all polling places.

[Ikania]

I think I'm like the only one in the coalition who pushes for a referendum on Adrian independence. I want this government to actually get along with it.

Speaking of which, if you want to sponsor my referendum bill, here it is for you:

Resolution on the status of Adrius and the right of self determination

|Author: Javier Escuella (LDP)|
|Sponsors: Rijkerd fan de Westhuizen (FCP/AIP), Michael Giuliani (DL), Jean-Luc Martin (IWP)|

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Preamble

The Parliament of Calaverde recognizes that the reincorporation of Adrius into the Calaverdean Republic in the year of 2013 (AD/CE Gregorian) was done with the use of force and in contravention of the people's right to self-determination, seeing as the Adrians had declared their independence during the Calaverdean Civil War (2006-2014). While maintaining the position that Adrius is vital to the culture and history of Calaverde, the government recognizes that the Adrianer Dutch majority of the island has the right to determine for themselves the status of independence for Adrius. Therefore, the following provisions are to be enacted:

Article I: The Referendum

I. The Calaverdean government is to set up a democratic referendum to determine whether the island of Adrius will become an independent nation or stay with Calaverde.
II. This referendum is to take place within five years of the passage of this act.
III. The government of Calaverde establishes the Committee for the Adrian Independence Referendum, tasked with determining the date of the referendum as well as conducting census reports into who will be able to vote by then.

Article II: Voter Eligibility

I. All citizens of Calaverde who currently reside in Adrius and were living in Adrius and eligible for voting during the time of the most recent Presidential election before the referendum will be eligible to vote in the referendum.
II. Voters must be at least eighteen years old, or turning such age within two weeks after the referendum.
III. All incarcerated citizens meeting the previous requirements will not be barred from voting, and will do so from the comfort of their prison cell.
IV. No citizen shall in any way be required, coerced or bribed into voting by any government body.

Article III: Conducting the referendum

I. The date of the referendum is to be decided by the CAIR, and must take place within five years of this act's passage.
II. Voting will last exactly one week, with polls open from 12 AM on the first day, to 11:59 PM on the last day.
III. The week of the referendum will be declared a public holiday for the purpose of accessibility.
IV. The question on the ballot will be as follows:

"Do you believe that the island of Adrius should be politically independent from the Republic of Calaverde, and become a sovereign nation?"

V. The answers will be either 'Yes' or 'No', as well as the equivalents in other languages, such as 'Ja of Nee', 'Si o No' and 'Oui ou Non'.

VI. Polling stations will issue ballots in Spanish, Dutch, English and French.

VII. Polling stations will also issue ballots in any recognized minority language depending on the area.

VIII. A minority language is defined as a language spoken by at least 10% of the area's people as a first language.

Article IV: Respecting the outcome

I. If the outcome of the vote is in favor of Adrian Independence by a simple majority (50% + 1), then the Calaverdean government will take the proper steps to release Adrius from its grasp and give it sovereignty over the course of the years after, preferably within five years of the referendum.

II. If the outcome of the vote fails to reach a Yes majority, Adrius will remain a part of Calaverde and the situation will return to how it was before.

III. If, somehow, the vote comes to a dead tie by the end after all fraud and illegitimacy is dealt with, the vote will be considered to have failed.

I only agreed to sponsor that legislation provided Garifuna was a language issued ballots in all polling places.

All? That's a bit much to ask for. If there is a Garifuna minority larger than 10% in one area, they'll get their language on the ballot, it's that simple. And to be honest, they probably make up more than 10% in most areas, and if they don't, well there's really no reason to put them on the ballot over a 9% minority that speaks Hindu or something.

[United Provinces of Atlantica]

I only agreed to sponsor that legislation provided Garifuna was a language issued ballots in all polling places.

All? That's a bit much to ask for. If there is a Garifuna minority larger than 10% in one area, they'll get their language on the ballot, it's that simple. And to be honest, they probably make up more than 10% in most areas, and if they don't, well there's really no reason to put them on the ballot over a 9% minority that speaks Hindu or something.

Considering the fact that English, Spanish and French will have their own ballots issued, it's only fair that Garifuna, the second-largest language in Adrius and the native tongue of a considerable percentage of Adrius's population, should have their ballots listed in Garifuna.

[Ikania]

All? That's a bit much to ask for. If there is a Garifuna minority larger than 10% in one area, they'll get their language on the ballot, it's that simple. And to be honest, they probably make up more than 10% in most areas, and if they don't, well there's really no reason to put them on the ballot over a 9% minority that speaks Hindu or something.

Considering the fact that English, Spanish and French will have their own ballots issued, it's only fair that Garifuna, the second-largest language in Adrius and the native tongue of a considerable percentage of Adrius's population, should have their ballots listed in Garifuna.

Where was this agreed upon? To be honest, we don't even have an official history, just the de facto one, which, as far as I know, only says that Adrius is full of Dutch people, and there's one city filled with Arabs. There are four recognized majority languages of the nation and they're going to be on the ballot; minority languages will be there too, and if there's as sizeable a minority as you say there is, there should be no trouble adding another language to the ballot in every area it's present in.

[United Provinces of Atlantica]

Considering the fact that English, Spanish and French will have their own ballots issued, it's only fair that Garifuna, the second-largest language in Adrius and the native tongue of a considerable percentage of Adrius's population, should have their ballots listed in Garifuna.

Where was this agreed upon? To be honest, we don't even have an official history, just the de facto one, which, as far as I know, only says that Adrius is full of Dutch people, and there's one city filled with Arabs. There are four recognized majority languages of the nation and they're going to be on the ballot; minority languages will be there too, and if there's as sizeable a minority as you say there is, there should be no trouble adding another language to the ballot in every area it's present in.

The original Adrius proposal here stated that the Garifuna were a plurality of around 30% (granted, the new Adrius is probably much smaller in size, obviously has a different location and geography, doesn't have the Indian population, maybe not the Frisian population, maybe the Garifuna converted to Christianity, etc.). Plus, consistency is important.

[Ikania]

Where was this agreed upon? To be honest, we don't even have an official history, just the de facto one, which, as far as I know, only says that Adrius is full of Dutch people, and there's one city filled with Arabs. There are four recognized majority languages of the nation and they're going to be on the ballot; minority languages will be there too, and if there's as sizeable a minority as you say there is, there should be no trouble adding another language to the ballot in every area it's present in.

The original Adrius proposal here stated that the Garifuna were a plurality of around 30% (granted, the new Adrius is probably much smaller in size, obviously has a different location and geography, doesn't have the Indian population, maybe not the Frisian population, maybe the Garifuna converted to Christianity, etc.). Plus, consistency is important.

Hmm. Well, I see no reason not to change it then.

[Atlanticatia]

Where was this agreed upon? To be honest, we don't even have an official history, just the de facto one, which, as far as I know, only says that Adrius is full of Dutch people, and there's one city filled with Arabs. There are four recognized majority languages of the nation and they're going to be on the ballot; minority languages will be there too, and if there's as sizeable a minority as you say there is, there should be no trouble adding another language to the ballot in every area it's present in.

The original Adrius proposal here stated that the Garifuna were a plurality of around 30% (granted, the new Adrius is probably much smaller in size, obviously has a different location and geography, doesn't have the Indian population, maybe not the Frisian population, maybe the Garifuna converted to Christianity, etc.). Plus, consistency is important.

If that profile of Adrius is true, then there really is no point of Adrian independence considering only 22% are ethnically Dutch.

[Lykens]

The original Adrius proposal here stated that the Garifuna were a plurality of around 30% (granted, the new Adrius is probably much smaller in size, obviously has a different location and geography, doesn't have the Indian population, maybe not the Frisian population, maybe the Garifuna converted to Christianity, etc.). Plus, consistency is important.

If that profile of Adrius is true, then there really is no point of Adrian independence considering only 22% are ethnically Dutch.

But their democracy and freedoms and referenda and lack of democracy is parliament.

[Ikania]

The original Adrius proposal here stated that the Garifuna were a plurality of around 30% (granted, the new Adrius is probably much smaller in size, obviously has a different location and geography, doesn't have the Indian population, maybe not the Frisian population, maybe the Garifuna converted to Christianity, etc.). Plus, consistency is important.

If that profile of Adrius is true, then there really is no point of Adrian independence considering only 22% are ethnically Dutch.

It's safe to assume that part is retconned.

[Free Republics]

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Right to Self-Defense Restoration Act
| Author: Arber Racine (Free Republics | FDP) |
| Sponsors: Alexander Ulises Villanueva (Yttribia | FDP) |

An Act to restore the right to self-defense in Calaverde

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Definitions
1. Right to self-defense – The absolute right of any individual to purchase, possess and carry, whether openly or concealed, any weapon for the defense of their person or property.

§1 Repeals

1. The Firearm Regulation and Safety Act is hereby repealed.

§2 Protection of the right to self-defense

1. The right to self-defense shall not be infringed for any citizen of Calaverde, unless they have been convicted of a crime through due process of law.
2. The exercise of the right to self-defense shall not, under any circumstances, be regarded as a crime.
3. Nothing in this Act shall be construed to restrict the regulation the use, possession or sale of firearms to non-citizens or to prohibit the use of criminal background checks and/or citizenship checks prior to the purchase of a firearm.

Thoughts on this bill? Anybody interested in sponsoring it?

[Ikania]

Wait, you're serious?

[Atlanticatia]

*laughs*